Hi everybody I want to do some HDV tape printing for fun using my Sony HVR-M15AU deck which is capable of recording progressive, What software is capable of printing progressive ? I tried Sony Vegas and I only have the option to print 1080 60i or 50i.
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Last edited by dellsam34; 6th Feb 2017 at 02:37.
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printing????
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youngsters yes printing to tape means taking a video from the timeline of a video editing suite and transferring exactly the same bits to tape. miniDV and HDV were the only forms of video to allow it.
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Vegas should be able to do HDV printing to:
720p 50/59.94
1080i 50/59.94
1080p 25/29.97 PsF
720 & 1080 p 23.976 via Telecine & PsF
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
You may have to start with a progressive or PsF template and add your material in after creating the special project.
Btw, other major NLEs such as Premiere, FCX, Edius and Media Composer should all be able to print to HDV in progressive or PsF modes, as well as Vegas.
Also check https://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/files/micro/hdv/downloads/25641_Sony_HDV_Vegas_R2.pdf
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You might check out Final Cut Pro 7 if you can find a copy of it. FCP 7 had a lot of support for HDV.
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Then print it interlaced. Load a clip into ReStream, change flag to interlaced , save it, load it into Vegas and print it to tape.
Are you sure about that, capturing is quite a hassle, not really a way to go today. Your capturing device might be rust and dust later on.
Just remember, you have to the opposite after capturing it back. Certain version of Vegas would even smart render 30p HDV, Vegas 8.0c, later versions perhaps could not do it and only interlace flagged HDV could be smart rendered. I used to change 30p HDV like that to edit it or storing it on hardisk to get rid of this "30p recorded as 30i nonsense" for good, having stored 30p.
Snaps from ReStream flagging it as interlaced or progressive:Last edited by _Al_; 6th Feb 2017 at 21:51.
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Early HDV progressive camcorders generate progressive video from interlaced CCD sensors, So it is not quite progressive, But later on Sony brought the native progressive recording and put Progressive logo on all equipment that are capable of, my deck is one of them, Since it is true progressive no need to interlace the video unless the playback/capture device is not Progressive certified.
Anyway I have few movies to print to a full size (180min) HDV tapes, I'm just doing it for fun I have no plans to capture the tapes back, Just want to see how HDV progressive looks on my 100" projection screen and I might make a youtube video about the HDV progressive. -
Last edited by dellsam34; 7th Feb 2017 at 02:24.
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That Restream just gives it interlaced flag, nothing else. Video stays the same. It converts it like that in seconds, no re-encoding is done. This way Vegas would assume it is correct. But it is still progressive (with interlaced flags). Also is your resolution 1440x1080? Sure, we do stuff for fun, but HDV hardware would be pretty scarce if not already, I would not rely on it looking forward. Especially Sony's format. they love to kill their own formats as soon as they can.
Last edited by _Al_; 7th Feb 2017 at 13:46.
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For this sort of thing MediaInfo is pretty much useless since it can only tell you how it was encoded and not what the content actually is. Your best analyzer is your own eyes. Either open it in a player you're sure isn't deinterlacing or (way better) make an AviSynth script with no other filter besides the source filter, open it in VDub and check sections with movement.
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Sorry I don't get along with scripts, I got a lot of analog videos to fix using QTGMC but because of that my project is in hold, one of those days when I learn scripting. Any way MediaInfo worked fin after I rendered a file to 1080x1440 24p, It showed all the info as it should. I will see how it prints to tape next.
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Wow it's weird, The file is not recognized after it's been rendered to HDV 1080 24p by vegas, Here is some info about the rendered file:
General
ID : 255 (0xFF)
Complete name : C:\.......\Untitled.m2t
Format : MPEG-TS
Commercial name : HDV 1080p
File size : 1.13 GiB
Duration : 6 min 12 s
Start time : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85
End time : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85
Video
ID : 2064 (0x810)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
Format : MPEG Video
Commercial name : HDV 1080p
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High 1440
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 6 min 12 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 24.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.656
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Open
GOP, Open/Closed of first frame : Closed
Stream size : 1.06 GiB (93%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio
ID : 2068 (0x814)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 6 min 12 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 17.0 MiB (1%)
Menu
ID : 129 (0x81)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
List : 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()Last edited by dellsam34; 8th Feb 2017 at 15:20.
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Wow loaded the file again to the time line and tried to record to tape, It wants to render again to 60i or 50i, So vegas is totally doesn't print to tape as 24p it only renders to 24p.
So I guess I will play around with final cut next.
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