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A few years ago, while on a "Chicago" (The group) kick, I stumbled across what I thought was, or was presented as, a rip of one of their DVD-A albums, which featured a 5.1 mix and also "advanced resolution" (96K/24 and 192K/24) versions of the album. "Chicago V" in this case.
The CNN special last night inspired me to go hunt for it. I located it, and it is a folder with typical Video_TS and Audio_TS folders in it, filled with files. Inside the Audio/Video_TS folders, I was able to use media info to get some details, the files in the Audio TS folder (which in my experience are usually empty in a "normal" DVD rip) contained many sub files, the meatier ones being AOB files.
Here is a sample of the AOB file from media info:
(Another one of the files shows as 192.0 KHz, JFYI)
And here's one from the VIDEO_TS folder file, in this case a VOB fileCode:Complete name : G:\Music\Chicago V\Chicago - Chicago V\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_1.AOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 1 024 MiB Duration : 4mn 34s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 31.3 Mbps Audio ID : 189 (0xBD)-161 (0xA1) Format : MLP Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 4mn 34s Bit rate mode : Variable Maximum bit rate : 9 600 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Sampling rate : 96.0 KHz Bit depth : 24 bits
Now, are these files suitable for me to turn into a DVD-A disc? If so, how? I normally use IMG Burn to burn a disc, but I'm guessing it is probably not that simple. The total size of the files is 5.0 Gb, too big for a standard DVD-5, is a DVD-9 the way to go (I have none presently) or can I simply use a BD?Code:Complete name : G:\Music\Chicago V\Chicago - Chicago V\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_1.VOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 349 MiB Duration : 52mn 26s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 931 Kbps Video ID : 224 (0xE0) Format : MPEG Video Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@Main Format settings, BVOP : No Format settings, Matrix : Custom Duration : 52mn 24s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 16.2 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 9 000 Kbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate : 29.970 fps Standard : NTSC Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Scan order : Top Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.002 Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00 Time code source : Group of pictures header Stream size : 6.07 MiB (2%) Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC Transfer characteristics : BT.601 Matrix coefficients : BT.601 Audio #1 ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Mode extension : CM (complete main) Format settings, Endianness : Big Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 52mn 26s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -9ms Stream size : 168 MiB (48%) Audio #2 ID : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Mode extension : CM (complete main) Format settings, Endianness : Big Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 52mn 1s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : Front: L R Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -9ms Stream size : 167 MiB (48%) Text ID : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20) Format : RLE Format/Info : Run-length encoding Muxing mode : DVD-Video
This DVD-A realm is new to me, any assistance is really appreciated.
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Last edited by Bruce/Fl; 2nd Jan 2017 at 04:43. Reason: Typos
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I'll give my 2 cents here. Others may qualify and/or expand.
You probably know that DVD-Audio, or DVD-A as you call it is a dedicated audio format. It requires a dedicated player. Put a normal DVD-Audio disk in to a standard dvd-player and you get zilch.
What you appear to have is a composite disk. The tracks in the Audio_TS folder are meant to be read by such a dedicated DVD-Audio player and will be ignored by a standard dvd player.
By the same token that dvd-player will play the files in the video_ts folder. I can not see there being any video there other than a single pic.
But you probably know all that anyway.
To answer you main question. Imgburn may be able to burn a dvd-audio disk ie just the audio_ts folder AFTER that folder has been properly authored for dvd-audio. The software tools section will show you appropriate tools for the job.
My second guess that the contents of the audio and video folders of the dvd are the same since they have different destinations as I earlier described. I have no idea how to rip a dvd-audio disk and if they are the same - if you are really interested in dvd-audio then you can check it since you already have such a player. But if you have not then why not simply stick to the dvd-video option.
But if you still want to proceed with the video-ts folder then that is easily ripped. Then demux the audio and use the tools I referred to. -
I have a Pioneer BDP-62FD, which should play DVD-A and also SACD, amongst other formats.
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So play the disk and find out if these folders have the same content.
No point wasting your time re-authoring the video_ts folder if they are. -
The Audio_TS folder is what DVD-Audio players use. This is where the high resolution audio is stored.
A standard DVD player would ignore it and only play the contents of the Video_TS folder. -
4 mins 34 seconds of audio isn't a lot, if MediaInfo is correct.
I know almost nothing about DVD-A, but if it helps.
DVD-Audio Decoder and Watermark Detector
Because DSPs can be added to both foobar2000's playback and conversion chains, you should be able to use it to convert to flac or something similar.
DVD-Audio Explorer
DVD audio Tools
For the third one at least, I assume you'll have to rip the disc first.
DVDAGuide -
That 4:34 is probably ONE song of many (and maybe each song is in its own AOB). Commonly done.
Scott -
Thank you for all the replies.
But it looks like there might be some confusion here, if i'm interpreting some of the replies right, which I may not be.
Maybe I didn't explain what I had properly. I don't have a disc, I have what appears to be the resulting files from a rip of a DVD(-A?) IOW, similar to what I what I would have if I had authored a file in preparation for burning. Not anything I prepared, but rather files (supposedly) ready to be burnt.So play the disk and find out if these folders have the same content.
No point wasting your time re-authoring the video_ts folder if they are.
I guess I was hoping someone would be experienced enough in DVD-A authoring/burning to recognize these files as either properly setup, or not, for turning it back into a usable DVD-A, properly assembled to offer all of the features the original had, which was a 5.1 surround mix, and two different "advanced resolution" (96K/24 and 192K/24) versions of the album.
I was able to buy the Chicago II DVD-A when it was issued, but missed out on the Chicago V one. I'm hoping to assemble that one, hopefully with all the available versions as the original, hence my post here.
Here is a link to the one I already have, Chicago II.
https://www.amazon.com/Chicago/dp/B00009P1OD/ref=tmm_dva_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1...3377482&sr=8-1
Here is what the Chicago V version would look like. The artwork I am posting shows it's features on the back.
Thw Audio_TS folder has 16 files in it, here is the info on the other AOB files, which are the largest files in it. There are 5 of them. But curiously, the total times make no sense. They seem much too short.
Code:General Complete name : C:\Users\Bruce\Desktop\Chicago - Chicago V\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_2.AOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 1 024 MiB Duration : 6mn 45s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 21.2 Mbps Audio ID : 189 (0xBD)-161 (0xA1) Format : MLP Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 6mn 45s Bit rate mode : Variable Maximum bit rate : 9 600 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Sampling rate : 96.0 KHz Frame rate : 2 400.000 fps (40 spf) Bit depth : 24 bits
Code:General Complete name : C:\Users\Bruce\Desktop\Chicago - Chicago V\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_3.AOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 1 024 MiB Overall bit rate mode : Variable Audio ID : 189 (0xBD)-161 (0xA1) Format : MLP Muxing mode : DVD-Video Bit rate mode : Variable Maximum bit rate : 9 600 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Sampling rate : 96.0 KHz Frame rate : 2 400.000 fps (40 spf) Bit depth : 24 bits
Code:General Complete name : C:\Users\Bruce\Desktop\Chicago - Chicago V\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_4.AOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 1 024 MiB Duration : 2mn 34s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 55.7 Mbps Audio ID : 189 (0xBD)-161 (0xA1) Format : MLP Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 2mn 34s Bit rate mode : Variable Maximum bit rate : 9 600 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 192 KHz Frame rate : 4 800.000 fps (40 spf) Bit depth : 24 bits
Some are 96, some are 192, even though file ATS_01_5.AOB has no duration listed.....Code:General Complete name : C:\Users\Bruce\Desktop\Chicago - Chicago V\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_5.AOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 624 MiB Overall bit rate mode : Variable Audio ID : 189 (0xBD)-161 (0xA1) Format : MLP Muxing mode : DVD-Video Bit rate mode : Variable Maximum bit rate : 9 600 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 192 KHz Frame rate : 4 800.000 fps (40 spf) Bit depth : 24 bits
And here is a mediainfo on the largest of the files in the Video_TS folder. Note the duration in it, 52 minutes. That's more like it. But that file is sampled at 48 Khz
Once again, I have no disc, I was hoping to make one. (If the files I have are right)Code:l Complete name : C:\Users\Bruce\Desktop\Chicago - Chicago V\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_1.VOB Format : MPEG-PS File size : 349 MiB Duration : 52mn 26s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 931 Kbps Video ID : 224 (0xE0) Format : MPEG Video Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@Main Format settings, BVOP : No Format settings, Matrix : Custom Duration : 52mn 24s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 16.2 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 9 000 Kbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Standard : NTSC Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Scan order : Top Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.002 Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00 Time code source : Group of pictures header Stream size : 6.07 MiB (2%) Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC Transfer characteristics : BT.601 Matrix coefficients : BT.601 Audio #1 ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Mode extension : CM (complete main) Format settings, Endianness : Big Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 52mn 26s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf) Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -9ms Stream size : 168 MiB (48%) Audio #2 ID : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Mode extension : CM (complete main) Format settings, Endianness : Big Muxing mode : DVD-Video Duration : 52mn 1s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : Front: L R Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf) Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -9ms Stream size : 167 MiB (48%) Text ID : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20) Format : RLE Format/Info : Run-length encoding Muxing mode : DVD-Video
I guess I was hoping to run this by some better informed users than I, to see if what I am working with prepared properly and was worth my time in going forward with this, without unnecessarily buying some DVD-9's, or wasting BD discs. -
You have files that APPEAR to be an authored DVD-Video+DVD-Audio (composite/universal) disc title.
No way of knowing if it is a legit complete set without either mounting it as a virtual disc or by burning it into a real disc.
Now, ASSUMING this is not warez and you have the right to use this material, ImageBurn or another good burning app that understands the peculiarities of burning universal discs should do the trick.
If it's warez, that will be the end of this conversation.
Scott -
Well if you do not have a disk it really comes under the warez rules of the forum
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Thank you Scott, I am really behind the curve of audio, spending most of my hobby time working on video. I had never heard of "virtual mounting" of a disc, but a quick google showed me the way.Originally Posted by Cornucopia
It appears to be complete, but since I am not 5.1 ready on my computers, I won't know for sure until I get it finalized some way, if I do.
And like I mentioned, I can't even remember where I got the files, it was a # of years ago. But since I didn't rip it from a disc I personally owned, I will just end this discussion.
Thank you all for your insights and comments.
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