Exist PCI graphic card for Windows 10 x64?

[MIRKOSOFT]

Hi!

My MB is old and haven't money for new 'cause it needs new CPU, RAMs... etc.
MB has only one PCIe16 slot and there is graphic card.
I have lot of standard PCI slots and I need else one graphic card.
So, Q is:
Exists any PCI slot graphic card by 64-bit Windows 10 supported?
No matter of performance, I'm not gamer, only standard features.

Thank you for each help.
Miro

[october262]

see here - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications

[MIRKOSOFT]

There's only simple note - if I found not correct me please.

Miro

[DB83]

Don't understand. You appear to state that you already have a graphics card in the PCI-e slot. Correct ?

Many systems baulk in having another graphics card installed.

And if your mb is, to use your own words ', old it might now even support up-to-date CPUs, memory etc. for Win10. Make, model no would also help.

[MIRKOSOFT]

Yes I have card in PCIe16.
I'm using USB2DVI adapter for 3rd display - and this causes problem. This is reason why I need one more graphic card.
I have available only PCI slots, this is reason why PCI card.
Sadly, many MB have also onboard gfx or new Intel CPUs have video, mine not.

Miro

[DB83]

So the first point of call is that your mb MUST support a second GPU. Even some with onboard gfx have issues with another card in an expansion slot. Hence the request for make/model no

[MIRKOSOFT]

I have in PCI slot 2nd gfx card, but it supports up to Win2003 and even 64-bit, but not later Windows.

Miro

[pandy]

Some graphics cards with only single PCIe lane exist https://www.zotac.com/us/product/graphics_card/gt-710-1gb-pcie-x-1 - however being on your place i would change motherboard to something better (more full size PCIe slots - normal graphic board will be cheaper - you can sell your current motherboard so further reduce cost of upgrade).

I have in PCI slot 2nd gfx card, but it supports up to Win2003 and even 64-bit, but not later Windows.

Miro

Microsoft offers basic display functionality even on very old graphic cards - what kind of PCI graphic board you own?

[MIRKOSOFT]

PCI card which I have is XFX GeForce4 MX 4000 Video Adapter

and Device Manager reports this problem with Basic Display Adapter

This device works not properly 'cause Windows system cannot load requested drivers for this device (code 31).
The driver trying to start is not the same as the driver for the POSTed display adapter.

I need to upgrade completely, but here in Slovakia for me at least good upagrade costs more than is my month salary.
If I want to upgrade to currently new devices, I must to pay more than 3 months salary...
And now you know why is my PC old...

Miro

[pandy]

PCI card which I have is XFX GeForce4 MX 4000 Video Adapter

and Device Manager reports this problem with Basic Display Adapter

This device works not properly 'cause Windows system cannot load requested drivers for this device (code 31).
The driver trying to start is not the same as the driver for the POSTed display adapter.

I need to upgrade completely, but here in Slovakia for me at least good upagrade costs more than is my month salary.
If I want to upgrade to currently new devices, I must to pay more than 3 months salary...
And now you know why is my PC old...

Miro

Motherboard with 2 PCIe 16 lane slots cost around 50 - 60E - you can buy something used (aukro.cz? allegro.pl?) - IMHO graphic card designed to work in your current configuration may be more expensive (niche market product) than doing sane upgrade.
I would seriously recommend to change your current motherboard for some model with 2 or 3 PCIe full size - alternatively consider to buy single graphic adapter that support 3 or more video outputs - of course sell currently owned graphic boards to recover some money...

Look at this http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/radeon-r7-250-eyefinity-4.1604.html - 4 or 6 with additional hub displays at once - cheapest Matrox on PCIe 1 cost similar money...
Most of modern graphics boards support 3 or 4 displays at once.

http://multimonitorcomputer.com/top-4-best-videocard-for-multiple-monitor-computers.php

[MIRKOSOFT]

Look at by this way:

My MB has socket 775 and Intel Core 2 Duo, max. 8 GB RAM (used), 1 PCIx16, 2 PCIx1, 5 PCI slots (all of written used exc. 1 PCI)
Support of USB 2.0, 6 SATA, 1 IDE, 1 FDD (all used exc. IDE), integrated audio - that's all.

If I have to buy similar this only and model with 2 PCIx16 it's like throwing my money to scrap.
So, Q is other:

How many costs PCIx16 videocard with 3 or better 4 independent outputs - no matter of connector (VGA, HDMI, DVI, DP...) but without desktop mirroring - this can be only option.
If is not problem to buy it, it will be for now good invested money 'cause videocard can be used in future when I will upgrade all.
Really perfectly looks 4 independent outputs.

Miro

[usually_quiet]

Assuming your motherboard allows installing multiple graphics cards, the graphics cards I am finding with PCI interfaces are old. (GeForce 6200, Radeon HD 7350, and Radeon 3450). The latest drivers available for them from NVIDIA and AMD are for Windows 7.

If there are Windows 10 drivers for the AMD cards, they may only available via Windows update. See https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1313

I cannot find a similar document for NVIDIA.

[Edit]
I found this page for AMD driver downloads: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
There are Windows 10 drivers available for Radeon HD 7300 series PCI-e cards. There is no listing for PCI cards.

This is the Radeon HD 7350 PCI card that I found: https://www.visiontek.com/graphics-cards/radeon-7350-sff-512mb-ddr3-pci-3m-dms59-2x-dv...dp-detail.html

Radeon HD 7350 Drivers: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-7000-Series-Drivers.aspx

[MIRKOSOFT]

I found one card with maximum of 4 displays: NVIDIA Quadro K620
But it has only 2 outputs - can anybody explain it me?
Here's link:
https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k620?sku=VCQK620-PB&type=m
How to connect etc...

Miro

[usually_quiet]

I found one card with maximum of 4 displays: NVIDIA Quadro K620
But it has only 2 outputs - can anybody explain it me?
Here's link:
https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-k620?sku=VCQK620-PB&type=m
How to connect etc...

Miro

http://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple-displays-from-a-single-displayport-output/

3 monitors would be supported by display port. Two of the three monitors connected by display port would need to have display port in and display port out to daisy-chain the displays. ...or you would need to use a display port hub: https://www.startech.com/AV/Displayport-Converters/Mini-DisplayPort-Triple-Head-Displa...ub~MSTMDP123DP

[MIRKOSOFT]

Ok, no other solution... costs together is too much.

I need at least 3 output card to use with PCIe 2.0 x16

[DB83]

I have never ventured in to multi-display. Yet I always thought, display-port aside, that a standard graphics card with multiple outputs (my card had two) will merely send the same picture to both. But if I read you correctly you want an independent picture on each monitor.

Surely no PCI card (even if there are Win10 drivers for it) will give you that. Or any standard pic-e card even with 4 outputs. That being said maybe some video software can output independent to different screens. What exactly do you wish to display ?

[october262]

would this work ?? - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/finally-get-two-functional-desktops-with-actual-multiple-monitors/

[MIRKOSOFT]

I'm using DisplayFusion...

It's not what, try imagine my work:
Main display - editing programming tool
Left display - copy/paste co-editing source
Right display - wanted variable content, clipboarder...
or these situations.
For example hobby: Emulator of Commodore 128
Main - C128 computer VDC screen
Right - C128 computer VIC-IIe screen
Left - debugger

Now you sure understand why is work clear, handy and all sources on 3 monitors...
I was looking for 4 display card as new display benefit, but in reply above I see that card can be cheap, but needs precious accessories.
I found lot of 4 display cards, but they're for PCIe 3.0 x16 - my MB supports only 2.0

[pandy]

Once again - not sure why you selecting old and expensive card when you can buy something cheap and modern - most of common video cards will support at least 3 independent displays directly from card.

Let put thing in this way - what is your current budget for video card that may solve your problem and provide up to 4 independent displays?

Side to this - i would seriously consider to buy even used mother board with some faster CPU but OK - it is purely up to you.

I found lot of 4 display cards, but they're for PCIe 3.0 x16 - my MB supports only 2.0

So you can buy 3.0 as it is backward compatible with 2.0 PCIe.

[usually_quiet]

@MIRKOSOFT I think you should start putting aside money to buy a newer PC.

[valvehead]

I'm using DisplayFusion...

It's not what, try imagine my work:
Main display - editing programming tool
Left display - copy/paste co-editing source
Right display - wanted variable content, clipboarder...
or these situations.
For example hobby: Emulator of Commodore 128
Main - C128 computer VDC screen
Right - C128 computer VIC-IIe screen
Left - debugger

Now you sure understand why is work clear, handy and all sources on 3 monitors...
I was looking for 4 display card as new display benefit, but in reply above I see that card can be cheap, but needs precious accessories.
I found lot of 4 display cards, but they're for PCIe 3.0 x16 - my MB supports only 2.0

PCIe 3.0 is backwards compatible. In other words a 3.0 card will work just fine in a 2.0 slot. The bandwidth is lower, but I seriously doubt the usage scenarios you provided will noticeably suffer.

As others have stated, upgrading the core system (motherboard, CPU, RAM, etc.) is important. Even if you put a modern GPU in your existing system, you are going to be disappointed by the performance as a whole. This would be especially true if the programs you use depend on the CPU to render graphics. Driving multiple displays could feel quite sluggish and laggy.

[Clockwork]

@MIRKOSOFT I think you should start putting aside money to buy a newer PC.

Maybe he/she spent all their money on Windows 10...

[MIRKOSOFT]

Ok, irony is lot.
I was searching help here.
No anymore.
Thanks to all which helped.
Miro

[aedipuss]

I have never ventured in to multi-display. Yet I always thought, display-port aside, that a standard graphics card with multiple outputs (my card had two) will merely send the same picture to both. But if I read you correctly you want an independent picture on each monitor.

Surely no PCI card (even if there are Win10 drivers for it) will give you that. Or any standard pic-e card even with 4 outputs. That being said maybe some video software can output independent to different screens. What exactly do you wish to display ?

you're not serious are you? independent display of different visuals on separate displays has always been supported in windows.

[DB83]

I have never ventured in to multi-display. Yet I always thought, display-port aside, that a standard graphics card with multiple outputs (my card had two) will merely send the same picture to both. But if I read you correctly you want an independent picture on each monitor.

Surely no PCI card (even if there are Win10 drivers for it) will give you that. Or any standard pic-e card even with 4 outputs. That being said maybe some video software can output independent to different screens. What exactly do you wish to display ?

you're not serious are you? independent display of different visuals on separate displays has always been supported in windows.

Serious but in ignorance

Yet I did qualify my remark in the 2nd para.

To the OP:

But to achieve what you desire you have to invest. Nothing comes from nothing.

[pandy]

Ok, irony is lot.
I was searching help here.
No anymore.
Thanks to all which helped.

Relax Mirko, no need to be so serious - some of us are just confused - if you decided to go for Windows 10 then most of us assumed you have computer sufficiently good to run Windows 10 - go for modern graphic board to solve your problem - AMD usually may support more displays in normal version (Eyefinity), NVidia solution are usually max 3 displays in consumer product - using Display Port hub additional displays can be attached (but hubs are not cheap).

[MIRKOSOFT]

Ok.
I want to say - my month salary is 310 EUR and there's problem.
I have not so problematic, but old PC.
I wanted to upgrade but it is now unreal.
My choice is for now to buy GIGABYTE GTX 750 Ti WindForce 2X OC 2GB - can use up to 4 displays and here's possible to buy for 131,46 EUR.
Why I decided to this not so cheap solution?
It is for PCIe 3.0 - you wrote that's 2.0 backward compatible (I know it makes my computer slower) and really for me ideal - I don't want at upgrade throw all old hardware to scrap.

My hobby are retrocomputers - especially Commodore, exact model C128... but I'm not collector, I'm user and programmer.
Model C128 was first two CPU computer and first two desktop/display computer and most selling machine supporting CP/M.
CP/M is for me not so attractive, but I need to say that's most versatile OS ever made. I'm creating new OS with GUI for Commodore 128, 64, 65 and Mega 65 - so from there was written how and what I need to display on multiple monitors for clear handy development...

Miro

[pandy]

Ok.
I want to say - my month salary is 310 EUR and there's problem.
I have not so problematic, but old PC.
I wanted to upgrade but it is now unreal.
My choice is for now to buy GIGABYTE GTX 750 Ti WindForce 2X OC 2GB - can use up to 4 displays and here's possible to buy for 131,46 EUR.
Why I decided to this not so cheap solution?
It is for PCIe 3.0 - you wrote that's 2.0 backward compatible (I know it makes my computer slower) and really for me ideal - I don't want at upgrade throw all old hardware to scrap.

I know reality of CEE so you don't need explain yourself - IMHO 131E is a lot for old and slow graphic board. Do you really need 4 displays? If not then easily you can buy better AMD/NVidia card at 40 - 50E with 3 displays supported directly. Once again - consider to buy (search) used AMD graphic board with Eyefinity - usually they less than 50E with more than 3 displays supported - comparable NVidia cards are usually high end - pro market oriented (Quadro family) but also .

On your place i would seriously consider to replace motherboard - for 130E you can buy motherboard + CPU + RAM - perhaps you can reuse RAM you currently own (if it is DDR3) - as outcome for same money you will get better CPU performance and display outputs (even AMD A6 - A8 should be faster than your current CPU and at the same time offer decent embedded graphic board).

Try to analyze all possible options - sometimes it is worth to change key components than stuck and modify them with expensive solutions.

[MIRKOSOFT]

Ok, please write example, here I called into my preferred market and their prices are much more expensive than you wrote.
My reqs if upgrade:
Intel Core i3 at least 3GHz (wanted Quad core but I got info that only Dual core exists)
on-board videocard with 2 outputs
at least 8GB RAM
6 SATA devices support
PCIe 3.0 x16 at least 2x
PCIe x1 at least 2x
PCI at least 2x
LAN RJ45 or Wifi

these reqs are here not under 300 EUR...
My current videocard I give into PCIe x16, su also addiional videocard support.

Please recommend me anything.
If you can help me, I'm thankful.
Miro

[pandy]

CPU:
https://tweakers.net/categorie/46/processors/producten/#filter:TYxBCsMgFETvMmsLGk00HiC...m3lYUFxrlFrfQM

Motherboard:
https://tweakers.net/categorie/47/moederborden/producten/#filter:bU07DoMwDL2LZ1rFJOR3A...Qjkbue2ySXr-gY

RAM: (assume you have no DDR3 modules)

https://tweakers.net/categorie/545/geheugen-intern/producten/#filter:TY3LCsIwEEX_5a4jm...VYaX7K392glPIC

As you can see AMD solutions are cheaper than Intel side to this usually graphics will be better on AMD side.

You need to be realistic with limited buying capabilities...