You 3 amigos have your answer from one reply: http://www.scenarist.com/
There may be no tsmuxer for uhd.
What is wrong with playing from hard drive or video file?
Clearly you and the 2 others don't understand how complex even standard blu-ray menu work is.
Then add more complexity and likely copy protection...do yourself a favor and split from the other 2 amigos.
Then reread Scott's replies very carefully this time....that's right, slow down real slow and read...try your best to comprehend his complex sentence structures.
Only then it may dawn on you that your quest ain't gonna happen...captain...maybe "in the year 2525".
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Scenarist will soon have some company. DVDLogicSoftware is releasing a new UHD BD authoring and HEVC encoding product, KryptonITe UHD BD. However, the intended market for this product is supposed to be small to medium-sized companies, not consumers, so it will undoubtedly cost a quite a bit more than $100.
September 1, 2016:
DVDLogic Software in collaboration with Silicon Philosophies are pleased to invite you to become acquainted with our recently released, innovative UHD BD Authoring & HEVC encoding solutions during IBC 2016 exhibition (Booth 5.B16), Amsterdam RAI from 9-13 Sept 2016.
Several major Hollywood and other releases have already been authored using our KryptonITe UHD BD product, replicated and available in stores and on Amazon. Feel free to email us in advance to make an appointment. We look forward to personally answering all your questions and demonstrating the features of.'Do I look absolutely divine and regal, and yet at the same time very pretty and rather accessible?' - Queenie
Note the "Silicon Philosophies"...
SiliconPhilosophies is a new overarching conglomeration, encompassing Assimilate (Scratch), Archimedia, CinemaCraft (anyone here remember CCE!!??), Marquise (Mist, Rain, Ice, Ocean), Jargon/Indigo BD/UHDBD authoring, and more. NONE of these are geared towards anyone much beyond major producers/distributors/corporations.
I notice that DVDLogic's own existing 3DBD authoring tool (BD Author 3D) is $1300 for older, lite version going up to $3000 for the new, full version.
UHDBD is only going to be more expensive than that (as it's considered more "premium" a format).
I figured you'd know about Silicon Philosophies. Those prices are way, way past what I'd pay.'Do I look absolutely divine and regal, and yet at the same time very pretty and rather accessible?' - Queenie
The Samsung 8500 will play my 4k UHD BR if the video is burned as a file on a 25 or 50 GB disc in 265 format. Looks great, a first step.
As already mentioned more than once in this thread, consumer 4K/UHD video will likely be supported via media players built into UHD Blu-ray players, although the media players in some existing models have fewer features than the Samsung UBD-K8500's media player.
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You could have saved all that verbiage if you had read it properly. It says : as a file
And it is a first step, at least for me, I can mail my brother a disc and he can play it, in the same exact PQ as if it where a proper UHD BR disc.
TSMuxer. Now, you write "my 4k UHD BR" when describing a media file that you burned as data on a 25GB BD-R, and call it "a first step".
Anyone with a Blu-ray burner and ImgBurn can burn a 4K H.265 media file on a BD-R. ...and since the Samsung UBD-K8500 has a built-in media player, all you have done is demonstrate that the media player is capable of playing 4K HEVC files with the same characteristics as your file. You haven't posted a MediaInfo report for your file, so there is no way to tell if your file is even fully compliant with the video and audio portion of the UHD Blu-ray spec. I'm guessing it isn't
Your video has a UHD resolution, but the picture quality won't match commercial UHD BR quality if you put a 2-hour video on a 25GB BD-R. The bit rate is way too low.
[Edit] It is good that there is a way to share video from a 4K camera with family members in its full resolution, but most 4K cameras, while very nice, don't produce video which meets the UHD Blu-ray spec. The Sony FDR-AX100 produces 4:2:0 1080p60 video, but it is 8-bit, not 10-bit and XAVC-S uses the BT.709 color space. UHD Blu-ray video is 10 bit, Rec 2020.
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Thanks for sharing. Really good stuff.
I have no idea what usually_trolling said cuz he's on my ignore list. But it is a shame because this thread features prominently in google searches as the posters who joined this forum just to comment in this thread prove. Guys like him are one trick ponies, obsessed with VCRs, TBCs and virtualdub/Avisynth, and have their head in the sand when it comes to 4K. Just ignore them.
Judging by his history here, SameSelf joined mostly to stir up arguments for fun, and to insult other active members. (Cornucopia is one of the few members here who are true professionals working in the industry.)
Funny thing is some of the people he has relied upon for help here in the past (poisondeathray and jagabo) also participate in many topics about VCRs, TBCs and virtualdub/Avisynth. I guess he doesn't need them anymore, because they are fair game for insults now.Ignore list: hello_hello, tried, TechLord, Snoopy329
Quote:Your video has a UHD resolution, but the picture quality won't match commercial UHD BR quality if you put a 2-hour video on a 25GB BD-R. The bit rate is way too low.
What a dumb statement!
But correct you are, the Sony FDR AX100 I use (1" sensor !! 4K 3840x2160) and a bargain at $1770.00, is not as good as a "commercial camera" but that is all I can afford and it looks darn good and a lot of times better than commercial stuff. Camera bit rate is 100 Mb for your information, burned to disc as 4K HEVC, 60 to 100 Mb VBR and the playback from the Samsung 8500 is indeed STUNNING !!. My longest 4K video is 90 min and it fits nicely on a 50GB BR disc with room to spare. 25GB discs can handle to 60 min.
That being said I was looking at the manual for the recently released Panasonic DMP-UB900 last night to see what its media player could do. There are references to MPEG-2 and H.264, but there is no mention of it playing H.265 media files. Next, I took a look at the manual for the Oppo UDP-203. I don't think it plays media files. Sony hasn't released any UHD Blu-ray players yet, but is supposed to have some in the spring.
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Both Rec.2020 and Rec.709 are supported. HEVC must be 10 bit indeed, though.
Quote That's nice, but putting UHD resolution HEVC video on a BD-R doesn't make it the disc a UHD Blu-ray. Using "UHD Blu-ray" to describe video means something specific. As I said in my other post UHD Blu-ray requires 10-bit and Rec. 2020, not 8-bit and Rec. 709 video, like your camera produces.
read it again : AS A FILE
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If one googles "uhd authoring" this thread appears 3rd from the top! Well done all!!
I'm wondering if people even care...I mean, you can upload your 4K stuff to YouTube, or better yet, use a media player. I every so often will author a BD-R, but playing files from my media server is so much easier.
There are still no consumer solutions for this. I don't think there will ever be inexpensive ones.'Do I look absolutely divine and regal, and yet at the same time very pretty and rather accessible?' - Queenie
I still author DVDs. I record a couple of TV shows my sister using a DVD recorder, but edit the files to remove commercials. The shows air on SD channels, and DVDs work better for her purposes than media files.
When I bought my first Blu-ray burner, I tried my hand at Blu-ray authoring. I was dissatisfied with the affordable consumer options that I tried, so I just kept burning media files I wanted to keep as data while I waited for the software to mature. After a while, I discovered burning media files as data worked well enough for my purposes and decided Blu-ray authoring wasn't worth the extra work.
Good BD-R DL and BD-XL media is more expensive, harder to find and less reliable for burning than BD-R, so I will probably need to investigate other options for backing up media files in UHD resolution.
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Finally, uploading 4K content is a challenge as most US consumers have asynchronous connections. I don't know too many people hosting their own 4K Youtube channels.
4K, and later 8K, will be driven by content, not by what consumers make on their camcorders. I think camcorders will not exist in the near future. People will use their phones or their DSLRs; so having some authoring package will not mean anything to the demand for these things. I think the last true optical media demand was DVD-R and people making their home movies onto it. I have been doing my kids' sports teams for years....everyone wanted DVD-R's, then as HD came about few wanted and BD-R. Now as the kids are almost finishing their sporting years, parents only want HD YouTube or files.
Personally I would like a UHD tool, but only for fun. I just don't see the point anymore.
well, DVD era yes, that was making sure that the other could play your video.
As for BD, if that was the truth we could burn HDV and later AVCHD on discs as data without any $$$ authorung software and exchange our beautiful original videos, especially HDV, you could edit that and smart render, no problem, that was the King of that era then , right when they established BD specs.
Instead they made sure and deliberately excluded 1440x1080 mpeg2 from specs (added later after death of HDV, what a move!). Players mostly played that anyway but mpeg1layerII audio could be a problem so I remember that folks replaced their HDV audios for AC3 to still keep at least original videos, but anyway, that was not authoring or strictly by specs.
BD and UHD specs have NOTHING to do with folks. It is their format. Business, movies. No sense now to fall for that. There is plenty of forms of delivery, hardisk, thumbdrive, SDcard, internet stream, internet downoad from any storage, burn any data on optical disc, heck now direct wi-fi between devices and whatever it is going to be tomorrow.
They want to fool you that menu is important, but it is not.
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In fact, they went out of their way to make it as complicated as they could.
That is one reason why this thread is ridiculous...it will be a very long time if/when there will be anything affordable for uhd authoring.
I tried to explain...as well as others in this thread but 2 or 3 think they will wake up in a few days and they will have their (low cost? LOL) uhd authoring prog.
They still can't seem to comprehend how complicated...and proprietary Blu-ray and if it gains any consumer access, UHD authoring will be.
So for UHD BD playback on a PC, you will need AACS 2.0 support with Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX). This means you will need:
- BIOS with SGX (some 200-series, mostly later boards)
- likely Intel integrated graphics with HDMI 2.0a, HDCP 2.2, and AACS2 support (unless nVidia and AMD step up to support Intel's SGX)
- cpu with SGX (some Skylake, mostly Kaby Lake and later)
- O/S that supports AACS2 (Win10, sorry Win7 fans)
- UHD BD reader (Pioneer recently announced some)
- S/W player that supports UHD BD and AACS2 (are there any as of Jan 2017???)
- A 4K TV/display with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2
Almost seems DOA. Plus, who knows, maybe I am missing some stuff? But, I suppose at some point in the future all this stuff will be standard.
Yes, UHD PB on a PC makes no sense, it is not cost effective but producing is a whole different story, I agree with you on both items.
CL will come out with version PD16 during the next few weeks. I think there is a good chance that 4K burning will be included. Below are some comments on this subject from an other forum.
I have tried that, using TsMuxer, it creates the structure as BR but the video is 4K. The Samsung 8500 does not recognize it but it plays fine on the pc with Media Player Classic and VLC including menus and chapters, so it may be close.
The file structures of a commercial 4K and HD BR are exactly the same except for their content of course. The 4K and the HD version have both the exact same files:
Below is contend of BDMV:
But the content on some must differ from UHD and HD, and perhaps that is all that needs to be altered by CL. Their 4K HEVC encoder is playing fine on the 8500 and is looking great, that part is the most complex and difficult, yet was already done years ago.
The disc is ROCKY MOUNTAIN EXPRESS filmed in IMAX and true blue 4K and is reported to be one of the best UHD experiences. And who can resist the impact of a steam engine with the sound turned up !!!
It has a 25GB HD and 50GB UHD version in the same box. Both discs are 95% full, so here, to obtain spectacular UHD, the storage capacity is only doubled.
An other outstanding one I like is BBC PLANET EARTH II reported to be down converted from 5K original video.
The sad fact is that perhaps 75% of UHD discs are hardly better looking than their HD versions because they did not originate in 4K.
I have hours of 4K video of our vacations captured by the Sony FDR AX100, still the standard as far as PQ is concerned and I like to play that in the UHD standard w/o resorting to tricks.
As mentioned in my last post, anyone who can edit stutter free HD should be able to do so in UHD using shadow files. No new BR optical drive needed.
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PowerDirector 16 Ultra was just released, and unsurprisingly does not include UHD Blu-ray authoring: https://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdirector-ultra/compare-upgrade_en_US.html?&r=1
[Edit] There was never "a good chance" that UHD Blu-Ray authoring would be added. As has been said many times in this thread:
1. The entertainment industry doesn't want consumer UHD Blu-Ray authoring software to become available.
2. Even if Cyberlink were allowed to produce consumer UHD Blu-Ray authoring software, licensing costs would be very expensive, raising the price of the software beyond what the consumer market would bear. Any company that wants to sell UHD Blu-Ray authoring software legally, including Cyberlink, must pay the required licensing fees or face patent infringement lawsuits and heavy fines.
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