Best Format to Rip for Cartoon or Animation

[husaskin]

Hi all

I'm going to rip a cartoon DVD and wanted to know what the best format / compression is to do this with and what to use (I'm using a mac but I have a PC as well)

I've used Xilisoft to rip a 11min show at an output size of 200mb (H264-MPEG4-AVC) ... I think 200mb for 11min is a bit excessive.

Can anyone give me some tips please ?

Thanks

[mike20021969]

Post MediaInfo for the file.

Use VidCoder (or HandBrake) instead.

[mike20021969]

(Moderator - please delete post #3. Posted in error).

[husaskin]

General
Complete name : /Users/****/Downloads/61912SDO/Title 01_12.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size : 201 MiB
Duration : 11mn 3s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 2 537 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44
Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44
Writing application : Lavf51.12.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L1.3
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=12
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 11mn 3s
Bit rate : 2 405 Kbps
Width : 1 024 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.170
Stream size : 190 MiB (95%)
Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44
Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 11mn 3s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Frame rate : 43.066 fps (1024 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 10.1 MiB (5%)
Encoded date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44
Tagged date : UTC 2016-06-03 04:49:44

[husaskin]

i used handbreak and chose animation under TUNE .... the file ended up being over 800mb .... so basically i don't know what I'm doing that is why i started this thread

[mike20021969]

I think 200mb for 11min is a bit excessive.

Why?

Regardless, in VidCoder, under the Video tab, you should be able to select the target size manually to what you think it needs to (or want it to) be.
There's probably a similar setting in HandBrake.

[pandy]

You can convert this to H.264, ffmpeg can be used for this.

Assuming that this is real cartoon perhaps some preprocessing can be applied to improve overall compressibility and at the same also improve quality.

[jagabo]

i used handbreak and chose animation under TUNE .... the file ended up being over 800mb ....

file size = bitrate * running time

So select a lower bitrate or use a higher RF value. But my guess is the video has a lot of noise that requires either a high bitrate or a lot of noise reduction before it will compress well.

[Bernix]

Have you some special reason for CABAC = no ? It saves lots of space.

Bernix

[jagabo]

Yes, and use a higher preset, profile, and level -- unless you have some specific playback limitation.

[husaskin]

thank you everyone for your help

[Bernix]

If I were you I should use vidcoder instead of handbrake. In video advanced tab you can easy control parameters. In Handbrake is default settings really horrible.

There is better setting. From Vidcoder
Advanced setting tab Vidcoder
And use constant frame rate.

Bernix

[pandy]

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There is better setting. From Vidcoder
Advanced setting tab Vidcoder
And use constant frame rate.

Bernix

And they are suboptimal - ref=1 only when level is capable easily 4 and overall quality can be beneficial from this especially in cartoon...

[Bernix]

I know. I always use lots of P-frames (8-(16->this for animation))and max 3 b-frames.

Bernix