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    I've had my S5100 for several years and last year bought an S5200 for our 2nd TV. The only major differences I thought were lack of a rear USB port and no display and smaller size on the S5200. But there seems to be some internal differences.

    I've been running into quite a few files though that won't play on the S5200 but they do play perfectly on the S5100. The video stops, jumps around for a few seconds, audio is just as choppy and out of sync, until it finally stops after no more than a minute and either jumps to the next video or locks up the player. These are mostly .avi files that have the problem, they definitely are XviD and not Divx, but it happens with .mkv files also, and I really don't see anything that should be an issue for the S5200. I've even tried using 4CC Changer to reset the .avi files again to Xvid but that didn't help at all. This is the output from MediaInfo on the problem files:

    A typical .avi file that the S5200 can't play:
    Code:
    General
    Format : AVI
    Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
    Format profile : OpenDML
    File size : 1.18 GiB
    Duration : 1h 41mn
    Overall bit rate : 1 656 Kbps
    Writing application : Lavf54.63.104
    
    Video
    ID : 0
    Format : MPEG-4 Visual
    Format profile : Simple@L3
    Format settings, BVOP : No
    Format settings, QPel : No
    Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
    Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263)
    Codec ID : XVID
    Codec ID/Hint : XviD
    Duration : 1h 41mn
    Bit rate : 1 195 Kbps
    Width : 720 pixels
    Height : 576 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 25.000 fps
    Standard : PAL
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.115
    Stream size : 869 MiB (72%)
    Writing library : XviD 64
    
    Audio
    ID : 1
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0020-8000-00AA00389B71
    Duration : 1h 41mn
    Bit rate : 448 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 326 MiB (27%)
    Interleave, duration : 32 ms (0.80 video frame)
    An .mkv file that the S5200 can't play:
    Code:
    General
    Unique ID                                : 223516380980755401524900869383921821823 (0xA827B06A1D812860AC9D3363CDFF687F)
    Format                                   : Matroska
    Format version                           : Version 2
    File size                                : 4.33 GiB
    Duration                                 : 1h 4mn
    Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Overall bit rate                         : 9 580 Kbps
    Movie name                               : Roy Orbison  Black & White Night  1987  Blu-ray 720p AVC DTS 5 1 ELR
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2010-10-06 15:33:45
    Writing application                      : mkvmerge v4.3.0 ('Escape from the Island') built on Sep  5 2010 10:30:51
    Writing library                          : libebml v1.0.0 + libmatroska v1.0.0
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 3 frames
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration                                 : 1h 4mn
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 8 073 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate                         : 25.0 Mbps
    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
    Height                                   : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate mode                          : Constant
    Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.292
    Stream size                              : 3.56 GiB (82%)
    Writing library                          : x264 core 105 r1732 2b04482
    Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8073 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 / nal_hrd=vbr
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    
    Audio
    ID                                       : 2
    Format                                   : DTS
    Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
    Mode                                     : 16
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
    Duration                                 : 1h 4mn
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 1 509 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 24 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Stream size                              : 699 MiB (16%)
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    
    Menu
    00:00:00.000                             : en:00:00:00.000
    00:03:48.195                             : en:00:03:48.195
    00:07:43.163                             : en:00:07:43.163
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    00:18:42.922                             : en:00:18:42.922
    00:21:47.239                             : en:00:21:47.239
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    00:27:42.194                             : en:00:27:42.194
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    00:34:03.842                             : en:00:34:03.842
    00:37:36.154                             : en:00:37:36.154
    00:43:04.248                             : en:00:43:04.248
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    00:55:53.984                             : en:00:55:53.984
    01:02:30.780                             : en:01:02:30.780

    And another .mkv file that the S5200 can't play:
    Code:
    General
    Unique ID                                : 36627412930742471789174812226985719026 (0x1B8E2EE1ED5C3E938749F04B4974F4F2)
    Format                                   : Matroska
    Format version                           : Version 2
    File size                                : 1.33 GiB
    Duration                                 : 1h 30mn
    Overall bit rate                         : 2 101 Kbps
    Writing application                      : HandBrake 0.9.5
    Writing library                          : libmkv 0.6.4.1
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : Main@L3.0
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Nominal bit rate                         : 1 737 Kbps
    Width                                    : 706 pixels
    Height                                   : 480 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
    Original display aspect ratio            : 4:3
    Frame rate mode                          : Variable
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Writing library                          : x264 core 112
    Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=2 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=29 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=1737 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    Color primaries                          : BT.601 NTSC
    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601
    
    Audio
    ID                                       : 2
    Format                                   : AAC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile                           : LC
    Codec ID                                 : A_AAC
    Duration                                 : 1h 30mn
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    
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    Can anyone tell me what exactly in any of the files above is a problem for the S5200 but not for the S5100? I use Serviio from both WinXP and Windows 7 x64 and same thing happens on the S5200 on both PCs. I was hoping the slower computer was just having issues with the transcoding for playback, but that's definitely not it. Neither DVD player is modded in anyway, just the basic models. I also installed Plex to see if there was any difference, but same thing... S5100 plays the files perfectly, S5200 can't.

    I'm more worried now about when I need to replace my S5100 if I'm going to run into problems like this constantly with newer Sony players that apparently must have some internal differences. I've loved my S5100 from day 1 and I'm really going to hate when it dies on me.

    Edit: Subject should obviously be BDP-S5200 and BDP-S5100... basically same player, one is just a year later model.
    Last edited by Henderson; 1st Oct 2015 at 02:00. Reason: Spelling error in title, but can't change it
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    Can you see if serviio or plex transcodes/reconverts the video when you play?

    Have you tried copy the files to an usb drive or cd/DVD and play them directly? Too see if it also happens.


    But this is why I have a HTPC...it plays everything even though it's not as easy to control.
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    Yes, I did try a USB drive, and the files all played perfectly on both players from a USB drive. I figured they would also play from a DVD at that point, but can test it later today.

    How can I tell if Serviio or Plex transcodes or reconverts the files?

    Edit: Tested playing the files from a data DVD and they play perfectly on the 5200 as expected. The only quirk I've seen during the testing is that when switching data DVDs, you need to turn the 5200 off and back on again. It will see the new disk with the new files, but it will just say "No playable files", it doesn't seem to fully reload a new DVD in the drive, at least for DVDs with only data files on them. I also tried every Sony profile available in Serviio.

    I'm going to guess if Serviio creates a temp .stf file, then it's transcoding the file. The mkv files are transcoded on both players and from both PCs. The avi files never seem to be transcoded, there is no file created for them.

    And to add to the weirdness, the 2 mkv files are now playing on the 5200 perfectly, so only the avi files are a problem. I've tried those same files at least 20x over the last few days with no luck. I have no explanation at all, unless turning it off and back on again clears some internal cache possibly, like I noticed that cleared the problem switching data DVDs.

    While I've been tempted to build an HTPC, the price and features on the S5100 were too good to pass up to try, and I do absolutely love it, I have zero problems with it. Which is why I was really surprised when a year newer model of the same player is once in awhile being so bizarre and fussy with playbacks.
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