I've had my S5100 for several years and last year bought an S5200 for our 2nd TV. The only major differences I thought were lack of a rear USB port and no display and smaller size on the S5200. But there seems to be some internal differences.
I've been running into quite a few files though that won't play on the S5200 but they do play perfectly on the S5100. The video stops, jumps around for a few seconds, audio is just as choppy and out of sync, until it finally stops after no more than a minute and either jumps to the next video or locks up the player. These are mostly .avi files that have the problem, they definitely are XviD and not Divx, but it happens with .mkv files also, and I really don't see anything that should be an issue for the S5200. I've even tried using 4CC Changer to reset the .avi files again to Xvid but that didn't help at all. This is the output from MediaInfo on the problem files:
A typical .avi file that the S5200 can't play:
An .mkv file that the S5200 can't play:Code:General Format : AVI Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave Format profile : OpenDML File size : 1.18 GiB Duration : 1h 41mn Overall bit rate : 1 656 Kbps Writing application : Lavf54.63.104 Video ID : 0 Format : MPEG-4 Visual Format profile : Simple@L3 Format settings, BVOP : No Format settings, QPel : No Format settings, GMC : No warppoints Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263) Codec ID : XVID Codec ID/Hint : XviD Duration : 1h 41mn Bit rate : 1 195 Kbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 25.000 fps Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.115 Stream size : 869 MiB (72%) Writing library : XviD 64 Audio ID : 1 Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0020-8000-00AA00389B71 Duration : 1h 41mn Bit rate : 448 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 16 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 326 MiB (27%) Interleave, duration : 32 ms (0.80 video frame)
Code:General Unique ID : 223516380980755401524900869383921821823 (0xA827B06A1D812860AC9D3363CDFF687F) Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 4.33 GiB Duration : 1h 4mn Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 9 580 Kbps Movie name : Roy Orbison Black & White Night 1987 Blu-ray 720p AVC DTS 5 1 ELR Encoded date : UTC 2010-10-06 15:33:45 Writing application : mkvmerge v4.3.0 ('Escape from the Island') built on Sep 5 2010 10:30:51 Writing library : libebml v1.0.0 + libmatroska v1.0.0 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.1 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 1h 4mn Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 8 073 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps Width : 1 280 pixels Height : 720 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.292 Stream size : 3.56 GiB (82%) Writing library : x264 core 105 r1732 2b04482 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8073 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 / nal_hrd=vbr Default : Yes Forced : No Audio ID : 2 Format : DTS Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems Mode : 16 Format settings, Endianness : Big Codec ID : A_DTS Duration : 1h 4mn Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 699 MiB (16%) Default : Yes Forced : No Menu 00:00:00.000 : en:00:00:00.000 00:03:48.195 : en:00:03:48.195 00:07:43.163 : en:00:07:43.163 00:11:02.061 : en:00:11:02.061 00:14:30.803 : en:00:14:30.803 00:18:42.922 : en:00:18:42.922 00:21:47.239 : en:00:21:47.239 00:24:17.022 : en:00:24:17.022 00:27:42.194 : en:00:27:42.194 00:30:47.946 : en:00:30:47.946 00:34:03.842 : en:00:34:03.842 00:37:36.154 : en:00:37:36.154 00:43:04.248 : en:00:43:04.248 00:46:04.462 : en:00:46:04.462 00:49:39.076 : en:00:49:39.076 00:52:44.194 : en:00:52:44.194 00:55:53.984 : en:00:55:53.984 01:02:30.780 : en:01:02:30.780
And another .mkv file that the S5200 can't play:
Can anyone tell me what exactly in any of the files above is a problem for the S5200 but not for the S5100? I use Serviio from both WinXP and Windows 7 x64 and same thing happens on the S5200 on both PCs. I was hoping the slower computer was just having issues with the transcoding for playback, but that's definitely not it. Neither DVD player is modded in anyway, just the basic models. I also installed Plex to see if there was any difference, but same thing... S5100 plays the files perfectly, S5200 can't.Code:General Unique ID : 36627412930742471789174812226985719026 (0x1B8E2EE1ED5C3E938749F04B4974F4F2) Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 1.33 GiB Duration : 1h 30mn Overall bit rate : 2 101 Kbps Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.5 Writing library : libmkv 0.6.4.1 Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Main@L3.0 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Nominal bit rate : 1 737 Kbps Width : 706 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Original display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Variable Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Writing library : x264 core 112 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=2 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=29 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=1737 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.601 Audio ID : 2 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format profile : LC Codec ID : A_AAC Duration : 1h 30mn Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : Front: L R Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Menu 00:00:00.000 : Chapter 1 00:03:09.455 : Chapter 2 00:06:58.484 : Chapter 3 00:09:46.552 : Chapter 4 00:13:32.778 : Chapter 5 00:17:51.837 : Chapter 6 00:23:11.656 : Chapter 7 00:26:37.662 : Chapter 8 00:29:50.655 : Chapter 9 00:33:58.102 : Chapter 10 00:37:12.797 : Chapter 11 00:40:25.589 : Chapter 12 00:43:15.559 : Chapter 13 00:47:49.132 : Chapter 14 00:52:04.387 : Chapter 15 00:56:52.575 : Chapter 16 01:00:24.787 : Chapter 17 01:05:29.191 : Chapter 18 01:11:33.555 : Chapter 19 01:14:57.259 : Chapter 20 01:19:06.308 : Chapter 21 01:20:28.089 : Chapter 22 01:24:46.748 : Chapter 23 01:28:55.897 : Chapter 24 01:30:21.482 : Chapter 25
I'm more worried now about when I need to replace my S5100 if I'm going to run into problems like this constantly with newer Sony players that apparently must have some internal differences. I've loved my S5100 from day 1 and I'm really going to hate when it dies on me.
Edit: Subject should obviously be BDP-S5200 and BDP-S5100... basically same player, one is just a year later model.
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Last edited by Henderson; 1st Oct 2015 at 02:00. Reason: Spelling error in title, but can't change it
Yes, I did try a USB drive, and the files all played perfectly on both players from a USB drive. I figured they would also play from a DVD at that point, but can test it later today.
How can I tell if Serviio or Plex transcodes or reconverts the files?
Edit: Tested playing the files from a data DVD and they play perfectly on the 5200 as expected. The only quirk I've seen during the testing is that when switching data DVDs, you need to turn the 5200 off and back on again. It will see the new disk with the new files, but it will just say "No playable files", it doesn't seem to fully reload a new DVD in the drive, at least for DVDs with only data files on them. I also tried every Sony profile available in Serviio.
I'm going to guess if Serviio creates a temp .stf file, then it's transcoding the file. The mkv files are transcoded on both players and from both PCs. The avi files never seem to be transcoded, there is no file created for them.
And to add to the weirdness, the 2 mkv files are now playing on the 5200 perfectly, so only the avi files are a problem. I've tried those same files at least 20x over the last few days with no luck. I have no explanation at all, unless turning it off and back on again clears some internal cache possibly, like I noticed that cleared the problem switching data DVDs.
While I've been tempted to build an HTPC, the price and features on the S5100 were too good to pass up to try, and I do absolutely love it, I have zero problems with it. Which is why I was really surprised when a year newer model of the same player is once in awhile being so bizarre and fussy with playbacks.
Last edited by Henderson; 1st Oct 2015 at 23:00.