Can Premiere Pro CS6 export at 18fps?

[Ikejohn]

I am trying to clean up some old regular 8mm and super 8mm home movies. I am currently using Virtualdub because it allows me to choose the frame rate which might be 16fps or 18fps. I would prefer to use Premiere Pro CS6 but it doesn't seem to allow me to export at 16 or 18fps. Does anyone know if there is some option or work-around that will help me do this? Thank you!

[poisondeathray]

Yes it can, just make a custom sequence setting

You usually want your source interpretation settings (you can assume different frame rates, right click the asset in the clip bin for more options), to match your sequence settings, to match your export settings - otherwise bad things happen like introducing duplicate frames or blended frames (if you have frame blend on)

[Ikejohn]

I guess I am still having trouble on the export part of the process. Any ideas on which settings will allow me to export at 16fps?

[Ikejohn]

Is there a way to export an AVI at 16fps? I was able to choose FLV format and the summary says it will use the source frame rate but I was not able to get this same frame rate when choosing AVI. Also..original video is 1920x1080...can anyone tell me why AVI will only export at 720x480? Thanks.

[poisondeathray]

I don't have CS6 easily accessible right now (it's on a disassembled computer), but if you right click a clip and choose "new sequence from clip" it will make the sequence the same characteristics as the source file



When you export with AME, some options are locked off, but you should be able to get 18 or 16 fps with AVI, let me just check quickly

[poisondeathray]

Yes, it's not a problem - when you load the same PP sequence in AME, just hit the "match sequence settings" check box in AME

I checked to see if any "weirdness" is going on like changing the framerate, introducing dupes etc..., and they are unique frames - so it all works fine (in CC, I won't be able to check CS6 for a few days)

[poisondeathray]

It might be slightly different in CS6; I think it's File=>new=>sequence from clip, but the match sequence box in AME should still be there

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1966668

[roma_turok]

Better use rate stretch tool in sequence by slowing down clip
then export normal standard frame rate
from my experience of editing telesync recording

[poisondeathray]

Better use rate stretch tool in sequence by slowing down clip
then export normal standard frame rate
from my experience of editing telesync recording

I would recommend to keep a 1:1 master version of unique frames. From that you can to decide to make other manipulations and frame rate changes if you needed it for other scenarios (maybe other regions like DVD NTSC.vs PAL, maybe web version). The other reason is for the "clean up" - filters are much less effective when you have duplicate or blended frames, not to mention more frames means more work

[roma_turok]

His already have 1:1 "master" first recorded file
what his accomplish by slow down frame rate?
and what frame rate the recorded file?

[poisondeathray]

His already have 1:1 "master" first recorded file
what his accomplish by slow down frame rate?
and what frame rate the recorded file?

He's not "slowing down frame rate" . It's an 8mm source (16 or 18 FPS) . It' s better to match than to introduce blends or duplicates. Matching 1:1 gives you the most options later, best performance, fewer frames to work with, more effective filtering, easier editing

[Ikejohn]

I appreciate all the help and suggestions. That's right that I am importing a .mov that is already at 16 or 18 fps. I also sometimes import a sequence of images and then set the frame rate to 16 or 18fps.

[Ikejohn]

So again..I appreciate all the help..but I am still a little confused. I have only been using PP for a week. I can import a file, "make a new sequence from clip," and then right click on the file on go to Modify Clip and make sure the frame rate is 16fps. After I add a few filters, then I go to Export Media. Only on this screen do I see the "Match Sequence Setting." If I check this, then PP automatically selects AVI and says the fps is 25. If I don't check this then I can choose FLV and the frame rate says "same as source." So...if I export with AME, I get the same export screen without the "match export settings"...and again, if AVI is selected, then the fps is 24 and the frame is 720x480....and if I check FLV the fps is same as source and the frame is 1920x1080 which is the same as the original file. I don't know much about FLV files but I am guessing there is a better option?

[poisondeathray]

Sorry I can't give you exact CS6 steps right now, as that PC is down, and it might be slightly different in CS6 - I can't recall the specific details about the differences off hand.

Save your project. File=>export. When you use AME, there will be presets like NTSC DV - those are SD - that's why you're getting 720x480. Don't use those. Instead click on that hot text. Under "preset" in the export settings, use "custom" which will unlock the other options , or something other than DV

Same with Codec . Some codecs are limited or have specific resolutions like DV (NTSC DV is always 720x480). Don't use that. Instead pick something else. What I'm trying to say is some options will limit you to specific resolutions and framerates

In AME there is a "match source" button under the video tab, that will match all the characteristics like dimensions, frame rate etc.. automatically . If you just want to match one characteristic, like frame rate, then there is a box to the right of each entry that will match that characteristic when you have it checkmarked. But not all formats will have the "match soruce" available because they don't support it. For example , if you had it set to NTSC DV, 1920x1080 would be "illegal", that's why the button isn't even an option

I'm a bit busy with other stuff right now, but if you still can't get it I'll try to walk you through with screenshots later today. It might not be 100% applicable because of CC vs. CS6

[poisondeathray]

A quick example of what I mean. I put arrows on the categories I changed. A common one that I use is quicktime animation codec (I sometimes do 3d work on other progams and it's interoperable across programs and platforms). But you can use others like cineform, uncompressed , etc... The key point I'm trying to make is if you pick certain formats or codecs - some of them have limitations. For example FLV is usually meant for low quality web distribution, so it might not have the other options unlocked or available to change

Pay attention to the summary section where it says output and source - you want those to match 1920x1080 16FPS. It did this for me automatcially when I hit the "match source" button under basic video settings. It checkmarked those boxes to the right of categories like frame rate automatically and greyed them out, because they now match the source.

If you had picked "DV" under video codec, that would again limit your to 720x480 - so you need to pick combinations that are "legal"

[Ikejohn]

Poisondeathray...if that is your real name...You've been a great help. I really appreciate it. I've added a video clip so you can see what I see. I don't see an option anywhere to "match source." The format H.264 Blu-ray (Legacy) has an option for "Frame Rate: Automatic(based on source)." No other format including Quicktime gave me an option to match source. Thanks again! https://youtu.be/YmpDUGAgjNk

[Brainiac]

Match Source does not show up in Premiere CS6 in Media Encoder (at least not for me). It does show up if, in Premiere, you select the sequence/timeline and press CONTROL-M or choose FILE-> EXPORT -> MEDIA. It's right under EXPORT SETTINGS.

Brainiac

[poisondeathray]

Ah good Brainiac has CS6

I think he tried that, but he said the AVI had the wrong frame rate . Can you check to see if the export is correct?

After I add a few filters, then I go to Export Media. Only on this screen do I see the "Match Sequence Setting." If I check this, then PP automatically selects AVI and says the fps is 25.

I'm re-arranging some computers awaiting some parts and my CS6 computer is going to be down for a few days so I can't check right nwo

[Brainiac]

I think he tried that, but he said the AVI had the wrong frame rate.

Sorry. I read that but forgot I read it.
Anyhow, I did the export and it does not have the correct frame rate or frame size.

I read via a Google search that After Effects can be used to do what op wants to do.

Brainiac

[smrpix]

I can confirm After Effects allows you to change the comp frame rate freely, Premiere only allows for standard time bases.