AnyDVD software and the troubles I'm having

[Muze Twelve]

I got the program called "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro" and from what I had read before buying it from Staples (which was a download link instead of a physical disc) it was promoted as a software that could copy from movies and such with the great picture quality as seen on the original disc. Given the condition of the disc, it would make a great copy of it.

Well I have tried it, and tried several different "output" tests from mp4 to mkv to avi and for some reason all copies I've tested from a good quality disc have been very disappointing. Can someone please tell me if they know this software and what I should be doing to correct this if the software is all it's claimed to be? I noticed it also does cropping, so I want to ask about that.

I upped the bitrate to about 2000 but I noticed it does go higher, and I noticed that with this software it doesn't do .vob files but maybe can convert them without compressing? If I could get a great excellent quality of some movies I've been trying to get, I could do my own (for personal only) music videos so that they look just as good as the picture from the original source.

I really need help here as this thing has been such a frustrating experience.

BTW, the support email for this product isn't much help. They give generic replies and don't want to write more than one sentence to anyone asking questions.

[orsetto]

Never heard of this software before, but when I searched it on Google just now the first entire page of hits were tutorials on how to uninstall it because antivirus programs flag it as spyware. Not an encouraging sign: you may find this product disappointing.

FWIW, for making mp4/mkv/avi from dvds, the majority of VH members use some combination of DVDfab decrypter or AnyDVD (SlySoft) decrypter, with either Handbrake or MakeMKV. In many cases MakeMKV will suffice by itself. All of these are freeware/donationware except AnyDVD which is somewhat pricey, but worth it for some of us because it is constantly updated. Look them up in the VideoHelp Tools section here and here for additional info. Many VH threads discuss them.

Sorry I can't help you with "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro" specifically, perhaps someone else will come along who has experience with it.

[Muze Twelve]

Never heard of this software before, but when I searched it on Google just now the first entire page of hits were tutorials on how to uninstall it because antivirus programs flag it as spyware. Not an encouraging sign: you may find this product disappointing.

FWIW, for making mp4/mkv/avi from dvds, the majority of VH members use some combination of DVDfab decrypter or AnyDVD (SlySoft) decrypter, with either Handbrake or MakeMKV. In many cases MakeMKV will suffice by itself. All of these are freeware/donationware except AnyDVD which is somewhat pricey, but worth it for some of us because it is constantly updated. Look them up in the VideoHelp Tools section here and here for additional info. Many VH threads discuss them.

Sorry I can't help you with "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro" specifically, perhaps someone else will come along who has experience with it.

That's it, Any DVD, I just typed out the whole name of the program itself. I bought from Staples but they send you a download link rather than the actual disc.

I want to know why it's not giving the great picture quality it's been rumored to have. I have already bought this, and would like anything free if it works. Just talk with me a bit, maybe we can figure this out...I really do need help here because I know it's not my computer that making these files or picture quality look bad when the original disc plays just perfect. I want to be able to burn my little projects to DVD too, I'm making no money off this, it's just for my entertainment only.

[OldMan64]

Muze Twelve:
It would appear that the people using that title succeeded in misleading you, they way they had hoped by wording the name of the title of the software "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro". AnyDVD is a decrypter as orsetto stated and has no conversion intentions built in.
I do see that "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro" is listed on the Staples site, but I believe you were mislead by the title.
IMHO, Use the info contained in the post by orsetto and forget about "Any DVD Converter Professional DVDConvPro"

[Muze Twelve]

I can take a screenshot of how it looks, this is something Staples and Anysoft themselves have sold to me. I even emailed Slysoft about the product because I don't know what I'm doing wrong. The title is Any DVD. I just copied what the title on the desktop icon says which is Any DVD Converter Professional. And it's round with this little yellow arrow going around it.

What I need to know is how do I get it to rip and have the same picture quality?

Or lead me to a program that will do this.

Do I go up or down on the Video Bitrate, do I go up or down on the Video Framerate?

It kinda rips from the disc and then you click "Convert Now!" and yeah I may end up uninstalling it and getting my money back since they do give you a 60 days to do that. I got it on the 20th.

I just can't believe there isn't something out there that can't rip and have the same picture quality that you would see from the original disc! Because discs play on computers too! It's just so damned frustrating!

And those black bars, those can be cropped by other programs so I'm not going to stress too much about that right now. I just want to get something that will grab the video and not be such a blurry, pixelated, muddled mess!

And yeah looking at this program; it does seem like someone copied the name of Any DVD and sold it as just a converter...shit!

Now what do I do?

I want whatever works and feel so helpless because I had an instore credit for Staples, but I can't afford software otherwise.

[gonca]

I even emailed Slysoft

Not a SlySoft product. As OldMan64 said you were mislead.

Decrypt with the tools that have been mentioned above by orsetto, then depending on your intended final result use the appropriate software, most of it is free or real inexpensive

[orsetto]

I didn't want to rub salt in the wound, but since others have now mentioned it, I have to agree with them that this product you bought seems a ripoff that intentionally, misleadingly includes the words "Any DVD" in its name to trick people into thinking it is associated with the highly-regarded SlySoft decrypter "Any DVD HD". SlySoft products are sold directly thru SlySoft website and aren't available thru retail websites like Staples. (Once installed, the program icon shows a little red fox face.) Given the severe crackdown against USA retailers selling this type of dvd conversion software in recent years, its rather shocking this item is even available thru Staples at all: whoever runs their affiliated vendor program must be an idiot to risk it.

Get your money back, since you are fortunate enough to have a refund policy on this shady converter. The utilities mentioned in my other post are "known-good" with a lot of support and help threads here on VH. There are other options as well, search this site for threads regarding DVD to mp4 etc conversions. Most likely, you were attracted to this Staples download by the promise of a simple all-in-one utility- the software we recommend here is a bit more complicated to use because they often involve separate decrypter and converter utilities. Sometimes you can pull it off with just MakeMKV or one of the DVDfab products by themselves: it depends on the specific DVD you need to convert.

Any DVD (from SlySoft only) is a very popular decrypter, despite being payware, because of the frequent updates allowing conversion of any conceivable dvd (hence the product name "Any DVD") when combined with a converter of your choice. But it would be overkill if one of the cheap/free alternatives can do the job instead: try them first. The decrypter built into MakeMKV and DVDfab should handle at least 70%-80% of existing DVDs.

[Muze Twelve]

Yeah it's a sneaky trick they pulled, and I think I will get my money back because this is not ripping it as whatever is great about the real deal.

Now I'm wondering if I can ever get this software cause I can tell you, I can't afford it and I do want this very much. My channel only has 12 of these videos I made from scenes of the movies I had been inspired by and the music, but as you might see, it's not just the black bars, it's also the picture quality as well. It looks even worse on an actual TV screen when burned to a blank DVD. And that's what I want, to watch my videos on my TV.

My link is https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMuze12 and there's where you can get an idea of what I'm trying to accomplish. Again, all this is for my own personal entertainment and whoever would like these. I make videos that I would like to see. I create what I would like. So it's not about anything other than that. But the software I had been using is either Dazzle (which is something that literally takes it off the disc as you play it - in real time) or 123CopyDVD, which was sold through Office Depot. Neither one of those products have superior quality as the original discs.

Would it be possible to PM you my email and maybe if you have time, maybe help me locate a free download that isn't riddled with spam and other malicious stuff? I really feel depressed about all of this. I had that MakeMKV but it was apparently a trial thing only. I currently have that Vegas Pro 10 which is also trial, and it crops. If I do my videos in Movie Maker which is just a container and allows me to do my music videos I can burn it to a DVD and depending on whether I choose widescreen or fullscreen, black bars won't show up on the TV. They do on YT no matter what, that's where the cropper would come in handy.

But as I say, the cropping isn't a priority for me as I want to know what it's like to have a program that can rip without all the mess of making the picture quality so messed up.

[gonca]

MakeMKV trial seems to be eternal, just keep getting a new key from the website.

[Muze Twelve]

I'd really like to know why when I go to burn a disc, taking from a file I already have (whether it's avi or vob or mkv) that damned Windows burner always tells me that I don't have the right codes for to burn! Then having to convert it, makes the picture look like shit. These files should burn onto a disc!

Also no one seems to have answered the question of how high or low to set the "video bitrate" and "framerate" what is the best to get out of this?

I downloaded the FabDVD but it's a trial thing and so far I cannot get anything to burn that come off that.

This MakeMKV, where are their website codes because I had that and the antivirus thing took it off I guess as soon as the trial date expired. I will be looking for any new one. I just wish that I could get this done. I need to re-do all my videos because this picture quality is such shit and there's GOT to be a way to not have to put up with that.

Also Freemake Video Converter puts their logo at the end of any video you convert. Which is not good for music videos.

[videobruger]

MakeMKV license

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053

[manono]

I'd really like to know why when I go to burn a disc, taking from a file I already have (whether it's avi or vob or mkv) that damned Windows burner always tells me that I don't have the right codes for to burn!

That's easy - don't use the Windows burning program. Always use ImgBurn.

Also no one seems to have answered the question of how high or low to set the "video bitrate"

Don't set a bitrate. Do a quality-based encode. Then you'll get the quality you want.

...and "framerate" what is the best to get out of this?

You set the framerate for whatever it's supposed to be. For NTSC film, usually 23.976fps. For NTSC video, usually 29.97fps. For PAL sources, 25fps. Nothing hard about that either. Usually you don't even have to set the framerate as the program will know.

What I need to know is how do I get it to rip and have the same picture quality?

The same? The only way to get that is to use MakeMKV as no reencoding occurs.

[Muze Twelve]

Hey thank for the info manono, does this ImgBurn, well does it have menus? The only reason I'm "somewhat" attached to the Windows burning thing is because of two menu graphics it uses. The one called "Highlights" and the other called "Bandwidth" is there any way to get those menus on something else?

You see when I first started I was using that Dazzle program and man, is the picture so bad (as you can see from the youtube videos I have) it's not only the picture quality but the black bars too. In one video I have two scenes which are from the Deleted Scenes and I get those black bars whereas the rest is okay. It's the Bonnie & Clyde video. The two scenes in question are when they're all having lunch and the other where Bonnie turns around from wall mirror.

Also how do I do a "quality based encode"? You'll have to forgive me but I am so totally lost here.

[manono]

ImgBurn is a burning program. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'menus'. You'll know when you try it.

The two scenes in question are when they're all having lunch and the other where Bonnie turns around from wall mirror.

I remember that thread. The reason that happened was because you mixed some deleted scenes with the main movie and the two were encoded differently.

[Muze Twelve]

Yeah I have the Deleted Scenes on a totally separate file and have wondered if cropping would help, or changing the aspect ratio and so far I have not been having luck with that. The trial program of Vegas Pro 10 isn't cropping it like I want it to, it's stretching it and making it look wonky.

By the menus I mean, when your DVD is finished burning, you get an automatic menu with it. Windows has different menu options. It's just that the two I mentioned are really nice.

This is what "Highlights" looks like:
http://www.computoredge.com/images/2734/VISTAFig-3.jpg

Here's someone talking about the menus:
http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/128/Vistas-DVD-Maker-Focus-on-Style.aspx

This is the one called "Bandwidth":
http://cloud.addictivetips.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/menustyles.jpg

[Muze Twelve]

I had re-edited the Bonnie & Clyde music video and the scenes that were showing the black bars have been altered to fit:
https://youtu.be/j5OXi40RdlQ

But the thing is, and I don't want to sound plaintive but, in the original two scenes there was more to the picture. You could see the kind of chair she was sitting in, for example, and although this is a minor detail and many may think not worth the effort it's important enough to me because it's the small details I like. Now in this example it's really not a big deal to me. I mean I had heard that the chairs used in the scene were authentic restaurant chairs that were antics even by the time this 1960s movie was made. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's an interesting detail nonetheless.

Anyway, a few scenes need a better picture quality because when this gets burned on DVD, believe me, in some of those scenes, that pixelation is noticable.

[videobruger]

well does it have menus?

What you refer to in post #15 is not a burning program. It's a program for authoring a video-DVD and it can also burn the DVD.

But I'm a bit unsure/confused about your end goal. It is to make an edited video-DVD of the original?

If that's the case ou start by "ripping", ie. making a copy of your original DVD with copy-/regional-protection remove. In your case (Bonnie And Clyde) DVDFab and DVDDecrypter can make a copy with the video-DVD file structure and menues intact. MakeMKV will take the audio/video from the original and put those in a MKV container but otherwise unaltered, ie you keep the quality and lose menus and stuff. AnyDVD (The real one) runs in the background and remove protection on the fly.

For editing some editing like cut/join can be done without the need for re-encoding. Others like cropping will need a re-encode and re-encode always means a loss of quality (you decide if you find it noticable) so it's preferable if the editor can deliver a DVD compliant file, ie meets the specification for audio/video on a video-DVD, so that re-encode during authoring and thus further quality loss can be avoided (You post #16 doesn't mention which editor was used for re-editing. Sony Vegas?).

You find the bitrate to be used for the parts that need re-encode by subtracting the sizes of the parts without re-encoding from the target size, say a DVD5. Knowing the playtime for those needing re-encoding the bitrate is given by:

Filesize = Playtime * Bitrate

You can use Vcalc for this.

Unfortunately quality-based encoding mentioned by manono can't be used in this case as it gives you no control over bitrate and hence filesize.

As for authoring I don't know Windows DVD Maker and don't know if it does a re-encode but any decent authoring program should recognize DVD compliant files and skip reencoding.

[Muze Twelve]

Hi Videobruger, yeah it's like I want to be able to rip and burn what I want to. My end goal as far as my music videos go (the re-done B&C video for instance) I've got 12 videos I've made since 2011 and there was a gap in time because I was unhappy with the way the first ones came out...my end goal is to make these videos with great quality and to put them onto a DVD that I can watch on my TV. Music videos made by me of stuff I've had in my head for all these years. Heck I've even written alternate lyrics to a song or two. Not that I'm about to try my hand at remixing songs and adding vocals with different lyrics. This ordeal with video ripping is frustrating enough!

The menu on the Windows burner called "Highlights" would just make a nice menu for a finished so-called "product" even though this is for personal use only. But at the moment, I'm just frustrated with this crap about the rip off of the fake AnyDVD. It does rip from any DVD, and apparently does bypass the copyright protection. And maybe it does copy without reencoding but so far I'm at a loss...I haven't tested everything on it so I still got it on my computer but what I have tested so far...UGH!

I want to be able to copy movies as well as I do have some that are parts of boxed sets but only want like one title from it so I can get rid of the crap movies that came with it. I have several of these bargain store movie boxed sets that have good movies but they come with crappy movies along with. I'd like to be able to have just whatever one I want and chuck the rest. But this would have nothing to do with any of my music video projects.

If you look at my youtube channel, you'll see that B&C was the first video I uploaded there. I just uploaded the new reworked video of it. There are more scenes added, the lighting has been carefully altered to the scenes that needed it. And the two deleted scenes that was added to the video no longer have those black bars. Those scenes are pretty clear. The video is better, I think. But as I explained, the very bottom half of the scenes were chopped off so you don't see the small detail of a stupid chair. It's probably something that can be fixed without losing the bottom-half but on my end I've tried everything short of spending thousands of dollars on the kind of equipment that DVD pressing companies have and I'd have to really be a Bonnie to a Clyde and rob banks to afford something like that and I'm sure that I won't be doing any of that since I don't have any intention of going to prison or ending up like Bonnie & Clyde did. i.e. Dead.

It's just all this frustration with not having and not knowing what exactly to do that's really got me down. Those videos on youtube are like my own interpretation of how well these movies and songs blended together. I mean, if you see the original video by ABBA of The Day Before You Came, you'd note the stark similarities in the B&C video. Granted they are in a different era, there's a totally different story there but there are eerie similarities. Same goes for The Bride and the song Total Eclipse of the Heart and so on.

I mean, I suppose anyone could make the connection of familiar songs and movies that have nothing to do with the other. After all in Mel Brooks' Blazing Saddles you have a German singer who is dressed all in black, with a very similar hair style, standing on a little stage and singing about being tired of a routine day in and day out. And this is again, another film where the period of time is a long time ago (1880s) compared to ABBA's 1982 song and one is a comedy and the other isn't. All of this is sheer co-incidence of course but I notice things like that. This is exactly what I envisioned when watching B&C and that particular song and the video to it. So I make those videos as I see them from my own psyche. My own recollections of other source material.

[manono]

By the menus I mean, when your DVD is finished burning, you get an automatic menu with it. Windows has different menu options.

Once again, ImgBurn is a pure burning program. Menu creation is usually found as part of an authoring program. Yes, some integrate the two functions (and some even include an encoding application), but ImgBurn has nothing to do with menus. Your menus were created prior to burning to disc.

[manono]

...and although this is a minor detail and many may think not worth the effort it's important enough to me because it's the small details I like.

I think you should get the big details right first. One would be the correct framerate. Movies on NTSC DVD are 23.976fps and not 29.97fps. Another 'detail' is that you've ruined it with all the unnecessary duplicate frames. I have no idea how you went from DVD to MP4 video with this one, but however you did it, it's very wrong. And your video quality is crap as well, and not entirely because of YouTube reencoding it. I expect it looks like crap on your computer, too, before you ever uploaded it.

Unfortunately quality-based encoding mentioned by manono can't be used in this case as it gives you no control over bitrate and hence filesize.

Right, thanks for the correction. I was only thinking of the upload to YouTube and not the DVD he's hoping to make. Yes, for filling a DVD a bitrate calculator is used.

[manono]

But as I explained, the very bottom half of the scenes were chopped off so you don't see the small detail of a stupid chair. It's probably something that can be fixed without losing the bottom-half but on my end I've tried everything short of spending thousands of dollars on the kind of equipment that DVD pressing companies have...

It can all be done for free using AviSynth scripts to do the cropping, resizing, and joining. But then you'd have to give up Movie Maker or whatever it is you're using.

[Muze Twelve]

What do you mean by "duplicate frames"? These movies (that I used and uploaded to youtube) were all ripped using Dazzle with the exception of the latest 2 which were ripped using something else. Duplicate frames? I'm not seeing any of this nor do I see this on the TV when burned to a disc. I see the pixalation on the darker scenes where it'd be more noticed, but I don't know what you mean by duplicate frames...

No, it actually looks okay on the computer. But it's a smaller screen considerably than a 32" TV screen. The pixelation is almost invisible.

I wonder if there's a way to get those menus from the Windows into something else? Really the only problem I'm having with Windows DVD burning is the fact it doesn't like most files and won't burn them.

I have no idea how you went from DVD to MP4 video with this one

After the DVD was copied from Dazzle and whatever else, and in the edit process (within Movie Maker) the Movie Maker automatically saves it as an MP4 or a WMV file.

Why would it uninstall Movie Maker? It comes with the Windows OS.

BTW I'm a she, not a he.

[Muze Twelve]

I can't seem to download the MakeMKV program, the damned antivirus keeps blocking it!

Edit:
I seemed to have been able to get it now...but I never had to put in any code key. Does this mean I have a limited time to use it?

[manono]

What do you mean by "duplicate frames"?

Do you know how to play the video and then pause it and then advance a frame at a time? If so, then do it and you'll see all the duplicate frames - all the frame repeats. YouTube isn't doing it so it must be in the video you uploaded. And once again, you uploaded a 29.97fps video but movies on NTSC DVD are 23.976fps.

Yeah, everyone has to update their MakeMKV every time there's a new one. The old one just stops working.

[Muze Twelve]

I'm not sure what you mean by that because I usually just let it play without pausing it for each frame. It might be that in some scenes I've slowed down the scene or a part of it. Where the actual scene goes a bit faster in the actual movie. The reason for slowing down some scenes was to align with the beat and music, also when done just right, you can make it seem like the actors are singing the words to the song. In the B&C video, there are a couple of places where I've slowed it down to match the words in the song itself "...papers waiting to be signed" "...or something in that style" "...there's no exception to the rule" etc. There are several places where I align the Bonnie character as if she's singing the song in some scenes. In the movie itself, none of these actors are saying anything from the lines of the song (naturally) but in some scenes their lines were close enough to make it seem that they could be.

That could be what you're seeing is the slow down in the footage.

Yeah that MakeMKV is installed now. I'm going to give it another try. BTW the Shadow Play video was done from that program. I did a lot of slowing down the timing so the Morgan character appears to be singing in some of the scenes.

[videobruger]

I think you should get the big details right first.

I think you should listen to this. In your case use the parts from your DVD without re-encoding when possible. If you need to do editing like cropping, speeding up/slow etc that requires re-encoding try to make DVD compliant files from the editor so the futher re-encoding is avoided (Microsoft Movie Maker can't do that)

For stepping through your videos a frame at the time you could use AviDemux or VLC. In the later pause the video and press "e".

About using the menues created in MS DVD Maker with other software one possibility is to create a "dummy" DVD in DVD Maker and an actual DVD with another software. AVStoDVD for example will skip re-encoding DVD compliant files and can use a quality encoder (HCEnc) for non-compliant files (It of course requeres that those are of quality as well). Then use Vobblanker to create the final DVD using menues from the dummy DVD and videos from the actual.

It turn out that I actually has MS DVD Maker on one of my computors (never used it). It uses DirectShow (I think) which means that the required codecs need to be present on your computor. There may still be container formats it can't handle (like MKV) so I tested to see if it would accept AviSynth scripts as input. And it does!. I didn't test to see if it will re-encode DVD compliant files as it can only burn and not create an ISO image or a video-DVD file-structure. (But I suspect it does)

I used a simple 1-line script like

DirectShowSource("C:\Video.mkv")

Another possibillity of using the menues from MS DVD Maker is to take a screen dump and use that in other software as background for menu(s). I made a screen recording of this which might serve as inspiration.

But basically start by making quality DVD compliant encoding from quality sources if you want quality video-DVD's.

[Muze Twelve]

This is really confusing to say the least, because if it plays okay on a DVD and on YT, I don't see why anyone would complain of duplicate frames (and I'm still confused about all of that and think maybe this has to do with either some scenes being slowed down or that I clicked on the wrong number for fps) but to have to dl a whole other program to see this, is a little scary.

Yeah if I can grab the menu stuff from Windows and use it on something else that will work and not fuss about not wanting to burn onto a disc, that'd be great. I'd need a step-by-step on how to do that. You gave a good explanation of how to go about it, but with me being way behind on this kind of stuff, I'd need a beginners course.

I'm testing stuff when I can find the time and work's been crazy. I am trying very hard to follow instruction and get things right.

Just having a real hard time with it.

Thanks for the video demo! See how nice that looks? Cute baby

[Muze Twelve]

I think you should get the big details right first.

I think you should listen to this. In your case use the parts from your DVD without re-encoding when possible. If you need to do editing like cropping, speeding up/slow etc that requires re-encoding try to make DVD compliant files from the editor so the futher re-encoding is avoided (Microsoft Movie Maker can't do that)

For stepping through your videos a frame at the time you could use AviDemux or VLC. In the later pause the video and press "e".

About using the menues created in MS DVD Maker with other software one possibility is to create a "dummy" DVD in DVD Maker and an actual DVD with another software. AVStoDVD for example will skip re-encoding DVD compliant files and can use a quality encoder (HCEnc) for non-compliant files (It of course requeres that those are of quality as well). Then use Vobblanker to create the final DVD using menues from the dummy DVD and videos from the actual.

It turn out that I actually has MS DVD Maker on one of my computors (never used it). It uses DirectShow (I think) which means that the required codecs need to be present on your computor. There may still be container formats it can't handle (like MKV) so I tested to see if it would accept AviSynth scripts as input. And it does!. I didn't test to see if it will re-encode DVD compliant files as it can only burn and not create an ISO image or a video-DVD file-structure. (But I suspect it does)

I used a simple 1-line script like

DirectShowSource("C:\Video.mkv")

Another possibillity of using the menues from MS DVD Maker is to take a screen dump and use that in other software as background for menu(s). I made a screen recording of this which might serve as inspiration.

But basically start by making quality DVD compliant encoding from quality sources if you want quality video-DVD's.

Okay this has confused the hell outta me, what would be the easier way? This screen dump sounds like it's an easier method, but how do I go about that?

The other way where I would use a dummy DVD, I'd have to put in a blank disc and then do something with the VobBlanker to actually do the burning.

The main issue with me is I don't want to dl a whole lot of programs because I don't want to take up all my HD space and I need to uninstall some things.

Also in the fake Any DVD, where another member mentioned the 23.976fps, well in the fake Any DVD thing from Staples, when I go to the NTSC (as to save the data as) it will sometimes force the 29.97fps and I can't change that. If I try to save it as a MKV, then it lets me choose between them. And this MKV comes out very bad. Very strange.

I've been so busy with work and testing what I can when I'm home and it's usually really late by the time I get to sleep so I've been trying but my energy levels are way down. There's just so many problems but I did reinstall that MakeMKV. If you see my video here:
Shadow Play - The Winner Takes It All that was right off the MakeMKV and even then it didn't turn out exactly how I wanted it to. I didn't tweak anything, just ripped from the original disc. Granted the original disc was part of a boxed set with other movies with it on the same disc, so obviously a second or third generation copy in and of itself.
But it's the only place where the DVD release of that movie actually exists. There is no DVD of that particular movie anywhere. There are VHS copies, but the boxed set of "Horror Extravaganza" is the only place where this film is available on DVD.

On the TV, it plays without the black bars on youtube, there they are

[manono]

Also in the fake Any DVD, where another member mentioned the 23.976fps...

Me, perhaps? You might be able to see it more easily on your Shadow Play video. When stepping through it frame-by-frame, you can see that every fourth frame is repeated. Every fifth frame is a duplicate. This means a couple of things - one is that your software just deinterlaced it, which was totally unnecessary and is at least partly responsible for the poor quality of your videos. And that it plays jerky (jerkily?).

I had no idea you had slowed down the Bonnie And Clyde one until you mentioned it, so many of the duplicate frames are due to that. But before doing that slowdown stuff to make the audio fit better, you should still begin with a proper 23.976fps video. I would guess that its especially poor quality is due to it being rendered multiple times using lossy codecs by whatever you're using to create these things.

On the TV, it plays without the black bars on youtube, there they are

What you uploaded to YouTube already had the black bars on the sides. YouTube didn't add them.

[Muze Twelve]

Also in the fake Any DVD, where another member mentioned the 23.976fps...

Me, perhaps? You might be able to see it more easily on your Shadow Play video. When stepping through it frame-by-frame, you can see that every fourth frame is repeated. Every fifth frame is a duplicate. This means a couple of things - one is that your software just deinterlaced it, which was totally unnecessary and is at least partly responsible for the poor quality of your videos. And that it plays jerky (jerkily?).

I had no idea you had slowed down the Bonnie And Clyde one until you mentioned it, so many of the duplicate frames are due to that. But before doing that slowdown stuff to make the audio fit better, you should still begin with a proper 23.976fps video. I would guess that its especially poor quality is due to it being rendered multiple times using lossy codecs by whatever you're using to create these things.

On the TV, it plays without the black bars on youtube, there they are

What you uploaded to YouTube already had the black bars on the sides. YouTube didn't add them.

The main problem is that this computer doesn't want to just let me burn or create a video as is, it's doing all this stuff without my tweaking it. And it's probably what is causing all this other stuff you mentioned. Like the framerates. I was so excited to be getting the Any DVD software (thinking it was the real deal) because I had read in several places that it was the best and didn't compress or do anything with the actual footage. That it was a clean ripping software.

Where I slow down the footage to make the videos in Movie Maker is after the rip is already done. But I don't think it's the editing software. It's the ripping and burning software. That's where the problem lies because in Movie Maker, it looks great and then it gets bad after that.

software just deinterlaced it, which was totally unnecessary and is at least partly responsible for the poor quality of your videos. And that it plays jerky (jerkily?)

I think that's exactly what's happening! That there.

I'm trying to test some random movies on the MakeMKV now and see how that pans out. When I first used it, I ripped and burned "Shadow Play" and when I played it on the TV, I was like 'well that's a really good copy of it' and that's when I decided to try to make that video. But even on the same software, while it was much better than 123CopyDVD, it still wasn't exact. But I didn't tweak anything and I'm going to look around for that framerate so I can put it as it needs to be.