The 4k/30p video of the High Octane guys, clearly shot in hand held mode, is almost unbearable to watch (it does my eyes in very badly) because of the insane jerkiness in the video, and clearly seems to demonstrates a massive lack of image stabilization, something i would never be without while shooting hand held video, even if my camera is mounted on one of my custom hand held rigs.
The 1080/50p Rahal pitstop video is hardly any better, and it loses focus in some places, again i understand the conditions that this video was shot under, but there is nothing what so ever to like with any of that video footage, and if i was moving to 4k, i definately want much better than what i saw from the G7, but like i said before, i will never go 4k until i can get a decent dedicated video cam that has built in Stabilization plus shoots in 50/60p mode, and has a decent low light sensor.
Yes i am being picky, but i know what i like from a camera, and i figure i just haven't found anything that really excites me at the moment, or what i have found is pretty much outside my budget for the kind of stuff i shoot, or the camera is too big for my style of shooting.
Edit: for what its worth, i absolutely adore the video from the Sony FDR-AX1, and it shoots 4k in 50/60p mode, but it comes with a hefty price tag.
simply an amazing camera in both 1080 and 4k modes, but i would love it to have a slightly better sensor for low light, but right now this cam would be my choice if i was to splurge a lot of cash.
Shoots in the following modes.
4k XAVC-S @ 50/60p @ 150Mbps
4k XAVC-S @ 25/30p @ 100Mbps
1080 mp4 @ 50/60p @ 50Mbps
1080 avchd @ 50/60p @ 28Mbps
I managed to download a 5 minute 4k/25p XAVC-S sample video clip from this camera (2.5gb @ 100Mbps) and i have cut a short 1.5 minute segment from that video using VRD Pro, and output that to 4k/25p mp4 @ 77Mbps, making a 880mb file, as well as down converting it to 1080/25p @ 18Mbps for support on my own 55" HD tv.
If anyone wants to see either samples, you can grab them from my Dropbox Pro account, but don't try playing in the Dropbox player, it is hopeless.
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Last edited by glenpinn; 12th Jul 2015 at 22:53.
Panasonic AG-DVX200 4K Handheld Camcorder
- Single 4/3 MOS Sensor with 12 Stops DR
- DCI 4K 24P, UHD 4K Up to 60p
- Variable Frame Rate Up to 120 FPS in FHD
- MP4 / MOV Recording in 4K
- Integrated Leica 13x f/2.8 - f/4.5 Lens
- 3 x Individual Lens Control Rings
- 2 x SD Cards Slots (U3 Compatible)
- HDMI 2.0, 3G-SDI Output
Out in October.
And while we are at it the GH4 has a replacement coming, the GX8.
Panasonic is busy to say the least!
Last edited by newpball; 17th Jul 2015 at 18:51.
Thanks a lot for the info, and have to be careful not to confuse it with the HVX200.
4/3" Sensor, up there with the GH4, and a lot bigger than the AX1, so it may well be the cam i am looking for, especially with low light (early evening/sunset/dusk/cloudy weather etc)
Now i just have to hold out until i can get some actual 4k and 1080p sample footage from the camera to play around with (not youtube samples)
Should come in at under $5000 in USA but more likely well over that here in Australia, because unfortunately, we cannot get any electronics at cheap prices USA do because of all the crap taxes, and because the retailers shaft us.
Big problem with cameras, especially video cams is that not many stores will hold these in stock, i know our camera stores where i live wont, they won't even stock the higher end consumer cams because they cannot sell them, most consumers will just buy a sub $500 full HD camera because they do what they want it to do without the price tag.
I do know the local Panasonic rep in my city, but whether he can grab one for demo purposes will be another thing.
Panasonic also has a new consumer cam out as well, the HC-WX970 4K Ultra HD with a single 1/2.3" BSI sensor.
Will see if i can hunt down some sample video, and check out the actual shooting modes with bitrates as well.
Also there is yet another model, announced two days ago the which will do UHD as well. The LUMIX DMC-FZ330 with a fixed lens and will be priced under the G7.
Panasonic is busy, real busy.
I on the other hand love it, a video camera with a fixed lens is too limiting for me.
You like handheld, I on the other hand hate it (and no I am not talking steady cam or shoulder rigs, but completely in the hand), I think it creates the most awful videos, stabilization or not.
When it comes to artistic issues we all have our own inclinations !
And that's all right!
Last edited by newpball; 17th Jul 2015 at 20:23.
The Sony AX100 for around $2000 gives a superior quality 4k/25p video than the HC-WX970 4k/25p gives out for around $1000.
The panasonic HC-X1000 was the other 4k/50p camera i was considering along with the Sony AX1, and is cheaper.
Now the DVX200 is here, with bigger sensor, it would have to be the camera of choice out of these 3.
As i have already mentioned, i need the best built in Auto Focus and Image Stabilization systems i can get for my needs, and if you don't need these features, then great, you stick with your your artistic needs and shoot with what you do.
Last edited by glenpinn; 18th Jul 2015 at 00:40.
An evening test shot with the Panasonic Lumix G7 in UHD 2.40:1
Last edited by newpball; 19th Jul 2015 at 01:23.
I dont watch videos in the youtube website to guage video quality, even if i attempt to watch them in 4k (as your video is) on the asdl2 internet connection we have, i cant watch it anyway, just keeps buffering all the time.
I prefer to download the video at its highest possible resolution, but for some reason i am not able to download your video from Youtube so i can at least see it in the lower bitrate that youtube drops it to.
Free Youtube Downloader, current version, downloaded many 4k vids so far, usually when i get this problem the uploader has set their videos so they cannot be downloaded.
EDIT: its ok, i was uploading a video into my dropbox when i tried to download your video, and the youtube downloader was lagging, so i thought it failed to work.
Got it now.
Last edited by glenpinn; 19th Jul 2015 at 02:51.
A birdy.....custom colored.
Last edited by newpball; 24th Jul 2015 at 23:08.
I suspect that the old broadcast guard will soon start to take the old "granny" out of the closet and ask the government to do something about it. In 10 years all that will be left is some government mandated 14,400 modem emergency broadcast signal for those who prefer to live under a rock!
Are there any cameras under $500 that can shoot 4K using ProRes ? I say under $500 as I won't be shooting much video, up to :30 min to an hour !
You can get a GoPro for close to that price, but you aren't going to get ProRes out of it.
What can I get to which I will get ProRes for the price range ?
What is the best price range for 4K video with ProRes ?
Its a shame the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera doesn't shoot 4k, but they are one hell of a 1080p ProRes camera with the right lens.
I suppose I'm stuck with MP4 or a Black Magic Pocket Cinema 1080p camera with ProRes
My son had BMPCC with about 5k worth of camera gear and lenses, and it shot beautiful 1080/25p ProRes, but he had to Color Grade it, because it is very flat when shot by the camera.
I was going to get the same camera, but once he showed me all the work involved with Color Grading and editing, i quickly decided against it, and i will now get a 4k camera that shoots 4k/50p XAVC-S at 150Mbps, such as the panasonic DVX200, which has a 4/3 sensor, and can shoot 1080/50p ALL-Intra @ 200Mbps
All i have to do is work out the best way to edit XAVC-S and ALL-Intra video at those bitrates.
I won't be doing alot of recording. I want an almost RAW format; that is my main concern. I'd be surprised if I shot an hour worth on average, that is how little I'd be shooting, probably up to 20 minutes tops..
I did decide on 1080p
What do you mean I have the ability to edit 4K video, then play it back ?
Been a bit hectic at the moment in the forum, sometimes i mis-read parts of posts in my haste to reply elsewhere, and get my editing work done as well.