NOTICE TO ALL WHO ARE CONVERTING THERE SVCDS TO DVD!!

[dvddarren]

What about putting both an svcd film converted to DVD and a vcd film left as it is (but with 48KHz sound) on 1 disc.

I have done this and the vcd video plays with really large blocks on my PS2.

Can this be done??

[SatStorm]

Well sefy, seems like yes!

If a standalone support VCD, then it is full compatible with your SxVCD on a DVD-R disc!

Also, let remind you that 352 X 288 (240) is the D4 resolution, supported by the DVD-Video standard. It is a hidden resolution like 352 X 576 and the useless 720 X 288.
The reason of this support is the compatibility with Mpeg 1.
Now what is Mpeg 2? An advance version of mpeg 1 in generall. So, for any decoder, it is easier to handle mpeg 1 as a non interlace mpeg 2! A "nude" mpeg 2.
It is a little complicated to explain it in english (my english sucks...)

There are also cases, which standalones don't support SVCD or VCD, but they play the same files on DVD-R discs as D2 DVD video!
Technically, the reason some players don't support VCD, beyond the built in drive, is that they don't support the "pan and scan" mode!

Anywayt, "Standard" SVCD is LESS compatible than your SxVCD for DVD-Rs!!!!
And once again, the most compatible CD format, is CVD, China Video Disc. If you want quality for your home media stuff, focus on this format!

[Sefy]

Great, so all the movies I already did are "DVDR" ready for the future

[energy80s]

And once again, the most compatible CD format, is CVD, China Video Disc. If you want quality for your home media stuff, focus on this format!

Funny you should say this as I was looking for an "official" CVCD template for TMPGenc a couple of weeks ago!

Kawg pointed me to a site but it was in Spanish, so I couldn't see where the templates were. Do you have a good CVCD template? Could you e-mail it to me at studio@energy80s.com

Thanks,
Rodney.

[SatStorm]

No, CVCD is a popular spanish XVCD "format", no relation with CVD.
CVD is 352 X 576. It is an official format. SVCD was the west world answer to it.

CVCD is like sefy's SeVCD, 352 X 288. An -x- format. The Gop stracture it uses, ain't compatible with DVD Video. It is playable on most DVD standalones, but not as playable as CVD...

[energy80s]

Ah ha! So do you have an "official" CVD template for TMPGenc?

[SatStorm]

Just load the SVCD template of TMPGenc and unlock it!
Then, change the 480 X 576 (480) output resolution to 352 X 576 (480).
Hit encode and wait. The file is CVD!
Only the output resolution change!

In praxis, a 2 Pass CVD with 220min, 1900 average and 2620 Max, is quality equal with a SVCD with 220min, 2350 average and 2620 Max.
But with an average of 1900 you get more on one CD!

A CBR CVD @ 2520kb/s is much better looking a CBR SVCD @ 2520kb/s

I suggest 2 pass VBR, with an average 1900 for movies or 2200 for Video clips. Set the encoder to motion estimate search. For quality is about 90% of Higher/Highest quality, in much less time

[energy80s]

I tried out that CVD format last night. Bloody brilliant! I don't think I'll ever burn another SVCD again!

Have also been trying out Kwag's template but I think there is a wrong setting in it somewhere as TMPGenc is encoding a 4:3 TV Clip as 21:9. I changed the output setting to "Full Screen" and that seemed to cure the problem (although I've only been previewing on a TV screen in work rather than a computer monitor) so I'll know once I get home.

It would be nice to have both working well as one is MPEG1 and the other is MPEG2. Between them you would have a file that will play on damn near anything!

[SatStorm]

One tip more:
Mess up a bit with the sharpen edge filter of TMPGenc.
Use 44 both for example. That sharps the picture a lot, but if you use it extremelly, you add noise.

And yep, CVD is better SVCD.
3 things count:
The Vertical resolution, the bitrate and the compatibility
CVD has them all...

[whodges]

Isn't it true that CVD (& SVCD) have 44.1KHz audio and a DVD wih D-4 needs 48KHz audio? So to make a CVD -> DVD really compatiable you would need to demux the audio, change the rate, and remux for DVD.

[Sefy]

Yup, it requires 48khz Audio, which you can simply encode from the start instead of doing it later.

[baker]

I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND STUPIT BUT IS A SVCD DVD COMPLIANT. i MEAN WITH 480X576 SCREEN RES?

i CAN CHANGE THE AUDIO ITS THE RES i AM WORRIED ABOUT!

Baker

[dvddarren]

i dont think that is a valid dvd resolution.

Click DVDR at the top left of this site, it tells you the resolutions half way down.

But you can use that resolution to a certain extent.

If you use dvdpatcher, you can patch the mpg to a valid resolution (720x480) then any dvd authoring software will import it, then save your authored dvd project, then patch the mpg back to what it was and burn.

I have tried this and it even works in a PS2 at 480x480, but I have heard reports it doesnt work in all dvd players

[baker]

I am looking into cvd, does anybody remember the exact specifications and a good average bitrate?

Baker

[kinneera]

CVD is 352x480/576. All other specs match SVCD, although you will want to encode audio at 48Khz if you're shooting for DVD portability.

For 2.35:1 letterboxed, ~1.5Mbps and up should be sufficient (more is better always applies, if possible)

For 16:9 letterboxed, ~1.8Mbps and up should be sufficient.

For fullscreen, I recommend 2.0Mbps minimum unless it is low-action.

[energy80s]

Yes, I have just started experimenting with CVD and the results are excellent! I will never burn another SVCD again.

[xiaNaix]

I completely agree. SatStorm's settings are definately the way to go. You should put together a tutorial and/or template package. Your knowledge could help alot of people and save tons of hassle when upgrading to DVD-R.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

[baker]

Well looks like satstorm stole this page evebn though I am the one who originally posted it and vhelp the one who gave me the res!

Baker

[Bud]

Would Like a guide on this also. However here's what I start with DVD-RAM file (Vro) (352x480 w/48Khz sound), so with this setting what would I need to change to creat a DVD-R? How would I do the conversion, I have a DVD-Burning installed. I use a Panasonic DVD-Ram Recorder, I could record into DVD quaility to start with, the settings are at the 2Hr/4Hr/6H modes, so at 2Hr it's already DVD, at the 4Hr it's at the 352x480. all the sound is already set at the 48Khz. Just need a little help in getting this to a DVD-R that is playable on my standalone player. Right now I burn the normal VCD's (2 per set) with out doing anyghng to the file. Assistanc is appricated.

Bud

[baker]

@ Bud,

Answers:
just author it in a dvd authoring software and burn, 352x480 should already be compliant!!

Question:
How much was your dvd -ram drive as I like the look of this method!

Baker

[Bud]

The Panasonic DMR E20 DVD-Ram acts like a basic VCR, you can time it, creat a DVD in Real time, record to DVD-Ram that copy over to the PC for use, I have a Panasonic DVD Wrighter in the PC (LF311). Both units set me back about 1200US. You can do a search on the net, I have seen prices down as low a 600US for the DVD Recorder, but as far as I'm concerned this is the best buy I hav made, no more standard VCR for me. I have a Digital Cable system, I just did a Direct to DVD-R from the Cable box in Real Time, came out Perfect, I can also put two movies on one DVD If I choose. Again right now what I do is record to the DVD Ram cartridge, copy over to the PC, use TMPGEnc to creat my VCD's. But I do prefer the DVD format, once the prices come down onthe DVD-R, no more VCD for me.

Bud

[baker]

sounds intresting but wouldn't svcd be better for you than dvd?

Baker

[Bud]

No...DVD allows me to get DVD quality movies on one CD even if it's over 120 Min.

[SatStorm]

Well, first of all, thank you all in generall.
Secondly, I just wanna say that I learned what I know for digital encoding from this forum. I am still learning things, and I am not an expert. I simply have the time to test much. Also, I have the luck to be in the DVB/s thing, so I had all the time to try stuff ain't mainstream for most of you. The combination of all those make me look wise in the subject, but I am not.
The way I see me, I am more like an advance TMPGenc user, not even expert. All of you gonna became like me soon or later if you like the subject!
Anyway:
About CVD, I'll try the next couple of weeks to write a guide and publish a couple of CVD/D2 DVD templates on VCDhelp.

[schwinn]

Why are you re-encoding your SVCD's to DVD? Since the SVCD's play fine on most DVD players and not just computers I don't get why you would want to spend time doing this only to in most cases end up with lesser quality. It it were me i would use DVD if and when the price is a bit lower for new stuff and leave my old stuff as is. Anyone care to answer why? Schwinn

[robertooo]

I think I don't understand something here.

The format of my TV screen or PC monitor screen is WidthxHeight - width longer than height.

So how it is possible that a CVD format 352x576 is better than SVCD format 702x576.

I would expect the picture to be unrealistically narrow in CVD format.

Can you explain that to me please. :

robertooo

[baker]

robertooo@
480x576 is svcd stndard so your dvd will automatically resize the picture to 720x576! magic!



schwinn@
well i like to have all my movies in the same format, since i would be storing my movies ion dvd from then on i would like to convert them to dvd WITHOOUT quailty loss which is what this thread is about.

Baker

[TheSeven7hSon]

OK... I encoded an mpg at 352x480. Now the X(?)SVCD plays kind of choppy when it pans or when someone or something moves. I have an Apex 5131. Possible wrongs settings? This happend more than once and I can't figure it out. I believe my settings were set to SVCD and then changed it to 352.

Seven

[SatStorm]

Typical field order mess...
Swap field order....

[Toots]

Ok, now you guys got me curious with this cdv format... I would like to try this. My question I guess is, how do I calculate the average/max bitrate to use? I've been using fitcd to calculate 2-part avi movies when I convert to SVCD previously using 2-pass vbr in tmpg to max out my cds. Seeing that cdv has a different spec of 352X480/576, I'm assuming it would make a difference in bitrate calculation. Any advise from the experts on the site? Looking forward to your replies. Thank you.