Stoik Caputurer not writing to Firewire

[peter scott]

The Stoik description says "Ability to output DV AVI to DV camcorder" but I am struggling to see how to configure it to do this.
I am connecting a Sony TRV22E to my Win7 Thinkpad T61 with Firewire.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Thanks,

Peter

[Baldrick]

Can you "capture" from it without problems?

[peter scott]

Yes, I can capture from it but what I can't do is send a .avi file to be recorded on my camcorder via firewire.

I have had it do this too but it only works on certain .avi files. I can't understand the differences between files that it
works with and those that it does not. The files are all .avi of similar length and recorded using the same applications.
They all play happily on VLC player and other players.

Peter

[Baldrick]

So you can send some files?
Can you send back same files as you captures?

Have you compared the ones that work with the ones that doesn't using for example mediainfo. Compare video and audio codecs, framerate, resolution, etc. It must be DV-AVI compliant.

[hech54]

Yes, I can capture from it but what I can't do is send a .avi file to be recorded on my camcorder via firewire.

You can't just send any old "AVI" file.
AVI is a container that can "contain" a myriad of video and audio codec combinations.

[peter scott]

Thank you both for your help. Having used Mediainfo I see that my .AVI files are differently constructed. Can you suggest what I need to do to make my .AVI compatible with Stoik? (The first file works the second doesn't)

I realise now that I wasn't using the applications. The second file was created using Wondershare Video Editor. It gives a choice of export formats: MP4, WMV, AVI, MOV, FLV, MKV, HTML5, 3GP, MPEG-2, MP3. I had selected AVI.

Peter

General
Complete name : C:\Users\user\Videos\2014-05-31 10.15.07.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Commercial name : DVCPRO
Format profile : OpenDML
File size : 1.97 GiB
Duration : 9mn 45s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 28.9 Mbps
Recorded date : 2014-05-31 09:15:07.000

Video
ID : 0
Format : DV
Commercial name : DVCPRO
Duration : 9mn 45s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
Time code of first frame : 00:26:16:09
Time code source : Subcode time code
Stream size : 1.96 GiB (100%)
Encoding settings : ae mode=full automatic / wb mode=automatic / white balance= / fcm=manual focus

Audio #1
ID : 0-0
Format : PCM
Muxing mode : DV
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 9mn 45s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Encoded bit rate : 0 bps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth : 12 bits
Stream size : 53.6 MiB (3%)
Encoded stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Audio #2
ID : 0-1
Format : PCM
Muxing mode : DV
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 9mn 45s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Encoded bit rate : 0 bps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth : 12 bits
Stream size : 53.6 MiB (3%)
Encoded stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

General
Complete name : C:\Users\user\Videos\TV 1946.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 189 MiB
Duration : 11mn 51s
Overall bit rate : 2 230 Kbps

Video
ID : 0
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile : Simple@L3
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263)
Codec ID : XVID
Codec ID/Hint : XviD
Duration : 11mn 51s
Bit rate : 2 052 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Original frame rate : 29.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.223
Stream size : 174 MiB (92%)
Writing library : XviD 1.2.1 (UTC 2008-12-04)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Mode : Joint stereo
Codec ID : 55
Codec ID/Hint : MP3
Duration : 11mn 50s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 160 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 13.6 MiB (7%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 26 ms (0.78 video frame)
Writing library : LAME3.98

[smrpix]

Your camcorder can only handle a DV codec signal, which your first avi is. Your second avi file is xvid. (avi is a container, not a codec.)

Your second file is also the wrong frame size and framerate for your camcorder.

The behavior you are seeing is correct and expected.

[peter scott]

Thanks smrpix, I'm beginning to get my head around this.

Peter

[usually_quiet]

If possible, it would be better to go back to the original DV file and use an editor that can export DV AVI. If the original DV is gone, then keeping the XVID AVI as it is makes more sense. I don't see much point in converting the second file from XVID and MP3 in an AVI container to DV and PCM in an AVI container to copy it back to the tape. The quality won't be the same as the original DV.

Plus, most people who come here with questions about DV camera recordings are trying to make DVDs out of them or move the DV recordings to other types of storage because they are concerned that they will loose access to their recordings if their camera dies.

[peter scott]

Although I do have a DVD recorder it only accepts analogue input and whilst I do have a pc with DVD write capability it's not compatible with my DVD player/recorder. My camcorder is my only way of transporting edited video to a television.

I have been trying various output configurations from 3GP Video Converter but despite correct pixel count and frame rate I can't find anything acceptable.

SINCERE APOLOGIES ! I realise I have been mixing two problems in this thread. I started with the problem of not knowing how to make STOIK Capturer send video files to my DV camcorder via firewire. I still don't understand how to configure it for this.

When I said I had successfully sent .AVI files to the camcorder this was using WinDV and I'm still struggling to find a suitable conversion of my Wondershare Video Editor output for WinDV.

Peter

[smrpix]

whilst I do have a pc with DVD write capability it's not compatible with my DVD player/recorder.

Unless hardware is very old and there is a physical disk incompatibility, it's most likely you are not authoring correctly. Try AVStoDVD.

I started with the problem of not knowing how to make STOIK Capturer send video files to my DV camcorder via firewire. I still don't understand how to configure it for this.

When I said I had successfully sent .AVI files to the camcorder this was using WinDV

Nothing wrong with WinDV, it's quite elegant. No real reason that I can see to use STOIK at all.

and I'm still struggling to find a suitable conversion of my Wondershare Video Editor output for WinDV.

WinDV, and your camera will only accept DV codec files. Period. Full Stop. End of sentence. Wondershare claims to be capable of this.

[peter scott]

I'll look into the AVStoDVD thanks.

As to Wondershare can you guide me in the export selections for DV? See attached screenshot.

Thanks,

Peter

[smrpix]

It's almost certainly an option under AVI and/or MOV. Either would be fine, AVI is more common for PC, MOV for Mac.

[peter scott]

Thanks for all your replies. Wondershare doesn't give DV out but converting it with STOIK video converter and then using WinDV I've now got a working system.

Peter

[usually_quiet]

Wondershare's editor must not be very good if it can't export to DV. It doesn't even need a DV encoder to edit DV. DV uses only intra-frame compression, so that each frame is a key frame. This means DV can be cut on any frame without the need to re-encode any part of the video. All the editor has to be able to do is copy the frames that you want to keep.

You loose a bit of quality with each conversion, and you are converting twice. You should be able to import, edit, and export DV if you use a different editor. AviDemux (free) is supposed to be able to edit and export DV.

[Edit]I think you would use "Copy" for both video and audio when saving your edits in AviDemux to avoid conversion. If you have trouble importing DV, it is probably the wrong type of DV. AviDemux can only edit type-2 DV. Type-1 DV must be converted. "Enosoft AVI repair tool", a tool included with "Enosoft DV Processor" can perform the conversion, from type 1 DV to type 2 DV, which I believe does not result in a loss of quality.