Directv, the Hauppauge HD PVR 2 and Copyright protection

[JBIIRockets]

Hi guys,
I'm a newbie. Go easy on me if you would. I know I signed up in 2009 but it's been years, and I don't check this site much.

I like to record sporting events in HD and save them to my PC. But with the HD PVR 2, which only has HDMI connections, I can't capture with the directv genie. I just recently went back to DTV.

Seeing if there are any suggestions or links here that could help with overcoming this. Thanks.

The only one I know of is to re-purchase the HD PVR 1, which has component connections, which I think would work.

[usually_quiet]

Hi guys,
I'm a newbie. Go easy on me if you would. I know I signed up in 2009 but it's been years, and I don't check this site much.

I like to record sporting events in HD and save them to my PC. But with the HD PVR 2, which only has HDMI connections, I can't capture with the directv genie. I just rdently went back to DTV.

Seeing if there are any suggestions or links here that could help with overcoming this. Thanks.

The only one I know of is to re-purchase the HD PVR 1, which has component connections, which I think would work.

The HD-PVR 2 has an AV port which accepts one of two AV breakout cables for component video and stereo audio input. It should have been included in the box.

The one you need depends on the HD-PVR 2's model number, but it is easy to tell them apart. One is for a round connection, and the other is for a relatively flat, rectangular connection.
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/webstore2/webstore_avcable-colossus-hdpvr2.asp
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/webstore2/webstore_avcable-din_style.asp

I looked to see what connections the Genie has. It has HDMI as wll as component video. Instead of using component video, you could use an HDMI splitter that removes HDMI side effect and have both the TV and the HD PVR 2 connected to the Genie at the same time. http://www.amazon.com/ViewHD-Port-Powered-Splitter-1080P/dp/B004F9LVXC

[SHS]

usually_quiet is right did you buy this used you should have gotten component adapter cable
That easy way to go is with HDMI splitter.

[JBIIRockets]

Hi All,
Well, not having much luck so far.

Below is the DTV Genie box I'd like to use.



See below the HDMI Splitter I bought at Fry's Electronics.



Maybe this splitter doesn't work, who knows. Everytime I go to capture, the screen turns black.
My next try is to return this one, and buy the ViewHD splitter.

I had no problems capturing from a Comcast box last year, when I had Comcast, but I'm guessing the box was not HDCP enabled.

[jagabo]

Not every HDMI splitter removes HDCP. In fact, very few do -- it's a violation of the HDMI license and is illegal in many places. You need to buy one of the splitters known to remove HDCP.

[JBIIRockets]

usually_quiet,
Below is the rectangular connection I have that you mentioned, if I concede and go the component route. not ready to do that yet.



jagabo, I understand, looks like the one I bought doesn't remove it. I will buy the ViewHD one and see if it works.

[usually_quiet]

Hi All,
Well, not having much luck so far.

Below is the DTV Genie box I'd like to use.


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See below the HDMI Splitter I bought at Fry's Electronics.


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Maybe this splitter doesn't work, who knows. Everytime I go to capture, the screen turns black.
My next try is to return this one, and buy the ViewHD splitter.

I had no problems capturing from a Comcast box last year, when I had Comcast, but I'm guessing the box was not HDCP enabled.

The splitter you already bought looks to be the same hardware as a different ViewHD Splitter, the "ViewHD Ultra HD | 4K HDMI 1x2 Mini Splitter (Model: VHD-Pluto)", which does not remove HDCP as a side effect. Make sure you do not mistakenly buy the "ViewHD Ultra HD | 4K HDMI 1x2 Mini Splitter (Model: VHD-Pluto)" from Amazon as well. Buy the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D". Use the link in my other post to find it.

[jagabo]

Don't worry about 4K/UltraHD. The industry is busy working on a new cable/port and copy protection scheme for 4K players and TVs. There won't be any 4K content via HDMI to speak of. Just be happy you can record HDMI via an HDCP stripper for the next several years.

[JBIIRockets]

Just bought the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D", from Amazon. Hopefully this will work.

All you do is plug an hdmi cable from the dtv box to the input of the splitter, then plug an hdmi cable from 1 of the outputs to the input of the HD PVR 2, then use a third hmdi cable to go from the hd dvr 2 output to an input of my tv, right?

We'll see. Thanks, usually and jagabo for your help so far.

[usually_quiet]

Just bought the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D", from Amazon. Hopefully this will work.

If they haven't changed the components from when I bought one about 9 months ago, it should still work.

All you do is plug an hdmi cable from the dtv box to the input of the splitter, then plug an hdmi cable from 1 of the outputs to the input of the HD PVR 2, then use a third hmdi cable to go from the hd dvr 2 output to an input of my tv, right?

Yes.

[jagabo]

Just bought the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D", from Amazon. Hopefully this will work.

If they haven't changed the components from when I bought one about 9 months ago, it should still work.

I've seen posts from people how have bought the device within the last few months and reported that it still removed HDCP.

[Markfx]

I have DirecTv with an HR24/100 DVR. I capture with this splitter:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DVCT8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As always, you will get a black capture screen if the output resolution and frame rate does match exactly the capture specs. DTV uses 1920x1080i at 59.94 and 1280x720p at 59.94,

[SHS]

I have DirecTv with an HR24/100 DVR. I capture with this splitter:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DVCT8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As always, you will get a black capture screen if the output resolution and frame rate does match exactly the capture specs. DTV uses 1920x1080i at 59.94 and 1280x720p at 59.94,

There no 1920x1080i at 59.94 on a DirecTV set-top.
DirecTV set-top only support 1920x1080p 59.94/60Hz or 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz or 1280x720p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 29.97/30Hz.

[usually_quiet]

I have DirecTv with an HR24/100 DVR. I capture with this splitter:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DVCT8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As always, you will get a black capture screen if the output resolution and frame rate does match exactly the capture specs. DTV uses 1920x1080i at 59.94 and 1280x720p at 59.94,

There no 1920x1080i at 59.94 on a DirecTV set-top.
DirecTV set-top only support 1920x1080p 59.94/60Hz or 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz or 1280x720p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 29.97/30Hz.

1080i59.94 and 1080i29.97 are the same. 59.94 counts the number of fields per second while 29.97 counts the number frames per second.

[SHS]

I have DirecTv with an HR24/100 DVR. I capture with this splitter:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DVCT8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As always, you will get a black capture screen if the output resolution and frame rate does match exactly the capture specs. DTV uses 1920x1080i at 59.94 and 1280x720p at 59.94,

There no 1920x1080i at 59.94 on a DirecTV set-top.
DirecTV set-top only support 1920x1080p 59.94/60Hz or 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz or 1280x720p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 59.94/60Hz or 720x480p 29.97/30Hz.

1080i59.94 and 1080i29.97 are the same. 59.94 counts the number of fields per second while 29.97 counts the number frames per second.

But DirecTV set-top DO NOT support 1080 interlaced 59.94 only Progressive mode in fact and interlaced is going bye, bye with ATSC 3.0
I had both DirecTV and Dish network TV service

[usually_quiet]

But DirecTV set-top DO NOT support 1080 interlaced 59.94 only Progressive mode in fact and interlaced is going bye, bye with ATSC 3.0
I had both DirecTV and Dish network TV service

You said DirecTV supports 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz . 1080i59.94 is exactly the same thing. 1080i59.94 counts the interlaced fields per second rather than the frames per second. 2 fields are sent in every frame, so 59.97 fields per second = 29.97 frames per second.

You are jumping the gun. The ATSC 3.0 standard won't even be finalized until sometime next year, the FCC won't have the regulations completed until 2017, and no transition date has been established.

[SHS]

But DirecTV set-top DO NOT support 1080 interlaced 59.94 only Progressive mode in fact and interlaced is going bye, bye with ATSC 3.0
I had both DirecTV and Dish network TV service

You said DirecTV supports 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz . 1080i59.94 is exactly the same thing. 1080i59.94 counts the interlaced fields per second rather than the frames per second. 2 fields are sent in every frame, so 59.97 fields per second = 29.97 frames per second.

But not it listed as 1080i59.94 on you TV info only as 1080i29.97 or 30 also keep mind as you said it 2 fields of half of every fields in order make one full fields where Progressive is full 1 fields ever frame.

[usually_quiet]

But DirecTV set-top DO NOT support 1080 interlaced 59.94 only Progressive mode in fact and interlaced is going bye, bye with ATSC 3.0
I had both DirecTV and Dish network TV service

You said DirecTV supports 1920x1080i 29.97/30Hz . 1080i59.94 is exactly the same thing. 1080i59.94 counts the interlaced fields per second rather than the frames per second. 2 fields are sent in every frame, so 59.97 fields per second = 29.97 frames per second.

But not it listed as 1080i59.94 on you TV info only as 1080i29.97 or 30 also keep mind as you said it 2 fields of half of every fields in order make one full fields where Progressive is full 1 fields ever frame.

1080i59.94 is often used (sounds better for marketing purposes), even if 1080i29.97 is more technically correct. Most of the regulars here already know what is meant by 1080i59.94. Time to catch up with the rest of us.

[Markfx]

My bad. My language needs to be as precise as my capture specs.
I should have said: my Blackmagic Intensity Pro captures 'HD' from my DirecTv set top box at 1920x1080i 59.94 or 1280x720p 59.94 All other capture specs result in a blank screen.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks, as always, to usually_quiet for the support.

[usually_quiet]

My bad. My language needs to be as precise as my capture specs.
I should have said: my Blackmagic Intensity Pro captures 'HD' from my DirecTv set top box at 1920x1080i 59.94 or 1280x720p 59.94 All other capture specs result in a blank screen.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks, as always, to usually_quiet for the support.

...and just to be sure that we understand you correctly, there are no problems with your capture setup that you need help to solve? You were merely commenting that the Blackmagic Intensiy Pro can only capture/display video if the capture setting is an exact match for the incoming video's frame rate and resolution.

...and you are suggesting the CKITZE BG-550 Mini portable 4 Port HDMI 1x4 Powered Splitter Ver 1.3 as a solution for people who are experiencing an HDCP-related problem with their capture equipment?

[Markfx]

Spot on, chum

[JBIIRockets]

Well. I got my ViewHD splitter today, and it works! I am all set!

Thank you usually_quiet and everyone else for your help and suggestions.

[joeraider45]

Any chance you guys would be willing to revisit the subject and help out again?

I purchased the HDMI 1x2 splitter that was recommended on Amazon. In July I received it and set up and had success ripping video from my DirecTV Genie using the Hauppauge HD PVR 2.

However, I tried recording a hockey game today and I received the message HDCP message. After just letting DirecTV screensaver come up, that was now being displayed on my computer screen so I though it was fixed, but to no avail. I'm even able to navigate through my DVR, but once I hit play, there's no video that comes up.

Any help would be greatly apprecaited.

Thanks,
Joe

[Markfx]

Well, I use a Blackmagic Intensity Pro with my DirecTv DVR, and I have no problems. Was there a software update on the capture card or the Genie?

Any update on the capture card may have reset its capture specs to some default setting that is not agreeing with the output of the Genie. Recheck your settings.

I have read that rebooting the splitter might help.

[usually_quiet]

To reset/power-cycle a splitter it is necessary to unplug the power adapter and disconnect the HDMI cables. (HDMI carries a small amount of electrical current, enough to power some splitters by itself.) Let the splitter sit for a day to allow any residual power stored in the electronics to dissipate before reconnecting the power adapter and HDMI cables.

[RTR]

Just bought the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D", from Amazon. Hopefully this will work.

If they haven't changed the components from when I bought one about 9 months ago, it should still work.

All you do is plug an hdmi cable from the dtv box to the input of the splitter, then plug an hdmi cable from 1 of the outputs to the input of the HD PVR 2, then use a third hmdi cable to go from the hd dvr 2 output to an input of my tv, right?

Yes.

Will it work with HDMI cables listed as "latest standard/version" such as these?

https://www.amazon.com/Twisted-Veins-cables-Adapter-Velcro/dp/B014EV0G3G/ref=sr_1_5?ie...ds=hdmi+cables

[usually_quiet]

Just bought the "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D", from Amazon. Hopefully this will work.

If they haven't changed the components from when I bought one about 9 months ago, it should still work.

All you do is plug an hdmi cable from the dtv box to the input of the splitter, then plug an hdmi cable from 1 of the outputs to the input of the HD PVR 2, then use a third hmdi cable to go from the hd dvr 2 output to an input of my tv, right?

Yes.

Will it work with HDMI cables listed as "latest standard/version" such as these?

https://www.amazon.com/Twisted-Veins-cables-Adapter-Velcro/dp/B014EV0G3G/ref=sr_1_5?ie...ds=hdmi+cables

As it happens, I bought those same cables to use with my splitter and they worked.

[theewizard]

i don't have DirecTV or any cable/sat TV
but i do have an HDMI Cloner Box and with it i can record MY Blu-Ray output via HDMI or my PC
direct to USB stick or external HHD
no remotes, no programing, no PC
push a button to select the format (watch the blinking color code light)
push button to start or stop recording,
records in mp4 at 1GB per 15minutes
1080i, 720p, 480, direct recording of what ever res is being sent to the TV via the HDMI cable
no interest in the company, just a happy customer
after your through trying all the splitters and PC recorders, maybe you will remember the HDMI cloner box
mine was $99 on Amazon or visit their website

[usually_quiet]

^^Your reply is off topic. The Hauppauge HD-PVR 2 has advantages over the HDMI Cloner.

1. The Hauppauge HD-PVR 2 can record 5.1 AC3 audio output from a set top box.

2. If someone wants the Cloner's recordings on his PC, they will need to be copied from its USB drive.

3. The Hauppauge HD-PVR 2 can often be purchased locally and returned locally if there is a problem. The HDMI Cloner must be purchased online and shipped back at the buyer's expense.

4. Video bitrate is adjustable.

5. 1080i60 records as 1080i60 and is not frame decimated to 1080p30

[theewizard]

OFF topic ?

its an alternative to buying and returning splitters and strippers

true it does not record 5.1 surround sound

i've had mine for months, no drivers, no splitters, it simply works

less options ? yes..

but it works, and does what i need
and might do what the OP or others need
thats up to him and them to decide