Advice on converting from HD to SD...best settings/programs to use

[underthemountain]

Hi Jagabo!
Ok, let me make something and post it on youtube...maybe tonight. I'm at work atm.
Thanks! Roxanne

Youtube re-encodes video, so it won't be possible to analyze the clip properly. Please upload clips taken from the DVDs to VideoHelp instead. A minute or two is good enough.

Thanks Usually!
You're right. I will do that. I haven't been on this site enough so I didn't see the little filmstrip icon.
Roxanne

[Skiller]

Then why not put it on Youtube for everybody to see!

Right, because "everybody" does have a PC fast enough to watch 4K videos on YouTube, an internet connection fast enough to stream it as well as a monitor that can display every single pixel of it or even has a 4K smart TV.

So explain to me how uploading 4k takes more of a person's time than say HD?

Isn't this obvious? 4K resolution needs more bitrate than HD and more bitrate means larger file size which takes longer to upload.


I do agree though, if you happen to have plenty of time to spend and don't mind bottlenecking your internet connection the entire time the upload process takes, upload in 4K.

[newpball]

Then why not put it on Youtube for everybody to see!

Right, because "everybody" does have a PC fast enough to watch 4K videos on YouTube, an internet connection fast enough to stream it as well as a monitor that can display every single pixel of it or even has a 4K smart TV.

I wonder, do you actually realize that when you upload a source in 4K lower resolutions are made available by YouTube as well?

and more bitrate means larger file size which takes longer to upload.

And the problem with that is?

I do agree though, if you happen to have plenty of time to spend and don't mind bottlenecking your internet connection for the time the upload process takes, upload in 4K.

The nights are long!

Some people try so hard to find excuses for not unscrewing their rusty old ideas.

[Skiller]

I wonder, do you realize that when you upload a source in 4K lower resolutions are made available by YouTube as well?

I wonder, do you realize a 4K video takes longer to upload?


Seriously, I won't comment on your trolling anymore.

[usually_quiet]

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So explain to me how uploading 4k takes more of a person's time than say HD?

When you upload in 4k not only 4k but lower resolutions are automatically available for users to select as well. And what are you going to do a few years from now? Upload it again because more people have 4k? And what about 10 years from now or 20 years?

If you have a 4k source then upload to Youtube in 4k!
It is not more work.

The OP wrote this:

Unfortunately just 1K because much of our video is 1K...we only have a single 4K camera that we use to make the pans and other closeups with. They know, but don't want to offer BluRays right now so we'll just give them the best SD that we can.
Roxanne

Did you miss the fact that not all of the performance was shot in 4K and that the OP has already gone to the trouble of preparing a nice, visually interesting, edited 1K video of the entire performance? I would guess that most of the interested parties would prefer watching a video that captures the whole performance, rather than little snippets of it, so she will certainly upload the finished 1K video, if she hasn't already done so

Even if she uploads all the 4K video as shot, with no editing, that is more work, for no good reason, since almost nobody can watch it in 4K, and it wouldn't be as entertaining as the 1K version containing the complete performance.

[underthemountain]

Help please. Made the clips, but can't use the filmstrip. I have them on my computer. Where/how do I upload clips? Thanks all!

[underthemountain]

found it!
The first is the m2ts with the 1K footage made from 1K/4K pieces in Power Director 13
The second is the SD version of it made using their create disc option

Thanks for taking the time to help me everyone!

[_Al_]

original is a progressive 29.97p video, but encoded as MBAFF so it might be a bit confusing for tools what the video actually is ....

here is VOB you can try to download where Spline64Resize was used in Avisynth, then HcEncoder encoded mpeg2 and muxman made DVD, muxing original audio in it,

quality is a teeny-tiny bit better but nothing like completely enhanced,..., it is just DVD, ..., and the video you posted just asks to actually look for details , into those kids faces in background ...

[underthemountain]

Hi Al!

Thank you! Your video does look better.

I took a look at AVISynth and it's too difficult for me to use. Is there something more user friendly that you can recommend? Even commercial software?

Roxanne

[jagabo]

The problem with the VOB file isn't sharpness. I suspect the problem you're having is caused by deinterlacing during playback. You probably see loss of sharpness and flickering on horizontal edges. _Al_'s video is encoded progressive so the deinterlacer doesn't kick in.

[underthemountain]

Thanks Jagabo! So the problem is that I need to make an SD using progressive encoding. In Power Director I can make a 24p file with a bitrate of 8, but I still need an easy way to author it because PD only allows it to make a SD DVD that is interlaced. Is muxman the best one to use? I see that the professional one is $35. Is it necessary to purchase this if I need menus, chapters? Thanks!!!
Roxanne

[manono]

Is there something more user friendly that you can recommend??

AvsToDVD uses AviSynth under-the-hood so-to-speak. You can use the program without knowing any AviSynth but edit the scripts once you learn a bit. You can also choose to use the excellent HCEnc encoder for the DVD video encoding. The menus AvsToDVD makes are pretty rudimentary.

Is muxman the best one to use?

Muxman has the best authoring engine, yes, but the free version only authors and doesn't encode or make menus. The freeware authoring program GUI For DVDAuthor allows for the use of Muxman as the muxing program and also allows you to make menus. Or, if you like the menus PowerDirector makes you can use it for that and for making the DVD and later on replace the DVD part of it with one Muxman makes by using PGCEdit to do the replacing. Sounds more difficult than it is.

[underthemountain]

Hi Manono!
Thank you! I will try the AvsToDVD and the GUI For DVDAuthor that you recommended. I don't know about doing the replacing...sounds too tough for me. I'll give the AvsToDVD a go first.
Another thing I am wondering about is that perhaps as someone mentioned before my problem could be with the original footage. Perhaps I need to invest in a better camera at some point. That could also be why the other people's SD DVD looks so much better than ours in terms of closeups on the kids' faces.
Anyhow we'll try to do the best that we can with what we have.
Thanks all for helping me address the SD DVD problem we were having!!!
Roxanne

[newpball]

Perhaps I need to invest in a better camera at some point.

You could buy an Epic Dragon and then deliver on DVD but I can assure you that that will be to some people just be too painful to bare.

[underthemountain]

Neat! I didn't know that they made 6K cameras.

[newpball]

oops double posting.

[newpball]

Neat! I didn't know that they made 6K cameras.

It's a beauty:



But some still prefer to work with this kind of material, they'll never learn!

[smrpix]

But man, did that second one sit nice on the shoulder.

[newpball]

But man, did that second one sit nice on the shoulder.

No problem:

[smrpix]

...I meant to say without adding semi-ergonomic pointy twiddly bits. Using the red (any red) for run and gun documentary or news is still a huge PIA. Undeniably nice picture if you have the time to fiddle.

[poisondeathray]

Yes, the two camera bodies are for completely different usage scenarios . You'd have to add weights to counter balance the rig on the Red. The post workflow for Red is not conducive for ENG style scenarios which require fast turnaround

Nice thread hijack BTW! Now back to your regular scheduled programming ....

[newpball]

...I meant to say without adding semi-ergonomic pointy twiddly bits. Using the red (any red) for run and gun documentary or news is still a huge PIA. Undeniably nice picture if you have the time to fiddle.

Or get something like this:

http://player.vimeo.com/video/111017740

[underthemountain]

That Sony unit looks nice. What model is it? I was thinking of getting another ax100, but maybe there is something better that I should get? Can anyone recommend a Sony camcorder?