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For a professional piece of software, I'm not impressed by Sony Vegas.
Not at all.
It seems just about every damn time I go to use it, it's more likely to not want to use my video files than use them. And, I have just about had it up to here with this issue. When making a professional piece of software, just make something that works, for crying out loud.
I have codecs and players up the wazoo, I can playback just about any file you throw at me.
But Vegas?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oh....I don't recognize that as a video file....come on, there's video and audio in there, JUST OPEN THE DAMN FILE!!!!!
My computer records TV programs in a wtv format. I want to do a little editing and render them in vegas. Vegas won't open that. I don't want to deal with any unnecessary degradation of video or audio with unnecessary conversion, or if I'm going to convert I want to ensure that there is no loss of quality.
I've played around with a few conversions, but anything I save it as, Vegas once again won't open.
Just what in the heck will Vegas open?
What's the best way to get a wtv file into Vegas without a loss of any quality?
Someone, for the love of god, please explain, JUST HOW IN THE HECK TO GET MY DAMN FILES INTO VEGAS.
Thank you.
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https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb188788.aspx
When Windows Media Center records a television show, the audio and video elementary streams are encrypted. -
But how do I use these files in Sony Vegas?
Anyone?
How in the heck does Sony consider their software to be professional when it's barely useful for anything? It doesn't open about 90 percent of what I throw at it. -
You DON'T open them in ANYTHING if the files are copy protected. You can't just pop any of the DVDs from your NCIS box set into your computer DVD drive and open the VOB files with Vegas.......because the DVDs are copy protected. Same scenario here.....no different.Originally Posted by Jon.G
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It considers itself professional because it can handle the files and structures of most professional acquisition formats. It doesn't do as well with amateur quasi-pirated TV shows, DVDs, mkvs, etc.Originally Posted by Jon.G
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I'm just recording TV shows with a tuner, I'm not ripping DVDs or dealing with quasi-pirated material. I just want to DVR some stuff, edit out commercials, and have files that I can easily stream to devices in my place. These files aren't copy protected, I've been able to convert them to a few different formats, which also can't open in Vegas. And also has me concerned of degradation due to unnecessary conversion, which is why I'm looking for a clear answer as to the best way to get this to work in Vegas.
It is frustrating as hell that a professional software is so useless. Just because I'm doing amateur stuff doesn't mean I don't want quality, I want to be able to edit my materials with decent software without degrading my materials. Apparently the programmers of professional software don't understand the concept of making their software actually be useful.
So, please, before you reply, actually read what I'm writing, and answer the question. I'm not dealing with ripped DVDs. I'm not dealing with copy protected materials. I'm dealing with files that I recorded myself with my DVR that I wish to use for personal use, and wish to get them into Vegas for some editing without degrading the file quality.
If you can't answer that question, don't waste my time with responses that have nothing to do with this. -
Windows 7 provides a utility to convert files to the previous format dvr-ms. This is accessed by right clicking the wtv files
As the article pointed to makes clear, copy protection is applied to wtv files if the broadcasters copy protection flag was detected
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I did. As Hech said, DVR files are typically encrypted despite your protests. Which formats have you been able to copy them to and what software have you used? For simply cutting out commercials and retaining quality you're probably better off using videoredo or Tmpgenc mpeg smart renderer. Vegas is not designed for what you're trying to do.Originally Posted by Jon.G
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Converting to dvr-ms works, but so far has provided me with just as useless a file.
I've used handbrake, videoredo, and avidemux on dvr-ms so far to try and convert to various types of files. But as I keep stating, and as is kept being ignored, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET THIS TO VEGAS WITHOUT DEGRADING THE QUALITY! Someone for the love of god point me to the right direction to get this to a high quality file that vegas will use.
My issue with using videoredo is that I captured full screen programming that was broadcast on a widescreen channel with black bars on the sides. And nothing pisses me off more than unnecessarily keeping black bars on a source. If someone were to watch this on a full screen monitor, it would then add more bars to the top and bottom, resulting in a black border. This is the type of thing I constantly call people out on doing, because it's just stupid, and shouldn't ever happen. Every time i see a black border, I consider it an example of someone not properly doing their job! So, to me it is important to crop my 16:9 source to 4:3 when rendering this. Vegas will do this easily, videoredo won't.
So, once again, ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!
I am so sick and tired of every damn time I post here, people trying to steer me away from what I'm trying to do and, while trying to offer help, ultimately providing me with useless information that will not help me, because they just won't accept that I have a reason for needing to do things a particular way, and won't just ANSWER THE QUESTION!
What, exactly, should I convert a wtv file to in order to have a file that will work in Vegas, without degrading the quality. What program will do this conversion, and how exactly do I use the program/configure it to properly do this conversion at a quality that will not result in any degradation?
The only thing you should respond to this post with is a specific answer to the above. I'm sick and tired of the internet being littered with meandering conversation that never deals with the question posed at the start of the thread. You know what you're doing with video? You want to post on a forum called videohelp? Then, get to it, actually provide a detailed and useful description to do exactly as I'm asking in this thread.
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Specifically, since Vegas can't read the files directly, any solution will require conversion and degrade the quality.Originally Posted by Jon.G
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Then provide a method of conversion that will minimize degradation.
In the past, I was dealing with files that I was able to convert to a lossless type using virtualdub. However, I can't get these files to open in virtualdub, so that has not been a solution this time around. -
Did you use search?
It looks like ffmpeg can rewrap these wtv to mpeg2-ps (.mpg), at least on the examples I saw (not encrypted) . There will be no quality loss if you re-wrapping .
You have to specify the stream maps to choose which video and audio streams you want. Different content providers will use different stream ordering so pay attention to the ffmpeg -i input.wtv and it will tell you the stream numbering
eg. It might look something like this
Duration: 00:01:04.64, start: 31.589975, bitrate: 5190 kb/s
Stream #0:0[0x24](eng): Audio: mp2 (P[0][0][0] / 0x0050), 48000 Hz, stereo,
s16p, 256 kb/s
Stream #0:1[0x25](eng): Subtitle: dvb_subtitle
Stream #0:2[0x26]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv), 720x576 [SAR 64:45
DAR 16:9], max. 15000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 10000k tbn, 50 tbc
Stream #0:3[0xffffffff]: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown)
, 200x160 [SAR 96:96 DAR 5:4], 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 90k tbc
Metadata:
title : TV Thumbnail
For this example, you want the primary video and audio , so the streams are 0:2 for video, 0:0 for audio. Yours might be different. Use "copy" for video and audio
ffmpeg -i input.wtv -map 0:2 -map 0:0 -c:v copy -c:a copy -f vob output.mpg
Vegas imported this file no problems. If you can't figure it out, post a small sample videoLast edited by poisondeathray; 11th Mar 2015 at 12:39.
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You're speaking greek to me.....I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with the info above.
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If it's "greek" to you , try a ffmpeg GUI like ffqueue or tencoder . The key thing is to pick the correct streams, and to set video and audio to "copy"
Basically re-wrapping is taking the video & audio out of one "box" and putting into a new "box" . Vegas cannot see the video & audio in the "old box" -
Tried ffqueue, got an error just trying to open one of the file.
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It's probably encrypted. Can you post a small sample ?
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I've used TEncoder, which has spectacularly provided me with a video only mpeg.
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Not sure how to provide a small sample of a large file.....
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It probably can't "see" the audio, because of the stream mapping. You might have to use the "greek" method
On this wtv file, tencoder couldn't "see" the audio either, but ffqueue could (the version I have is 1.0.30) . Try that version
On most videos, the video stream is "expected" to be the 1st, audio the 2nd. That isn't always the case here. So if the program doesn't look at all the streams available, you might miss the desired one(s) -
Download ffmpeg from this page, unzip it. Make a mental note of where you put it
http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/
In ffqueue, you have to push the options button, and link to the ffmpeg / ffprobe binary location (point to the directory where ffmpeg.exe and ffprobe.exe are located) -
ffqueue 1.0.30 fails even more spectacularly, the error message keeps coming back up every time I click OK on it. What a nice feature to ensure that I am fully aware of what a POS this program is, such a shame they removed that feature in the later updates.
Ok, we're almost there. Something weird is up with the audio. I don't think tencoder can't see the audio, I have played around with trying to set the audio type to wav or flac in tencoder, which has resulted in larger files, suggesting that it is doing something different and not just throwing no audio. However, they both didn't work in vegas, and I know vegas can read wav and flac. I did a mediainfo on those files, the one I did flac on didn't show having any audio in mediainfo, but the wav one did....although it wasn't recognized as wav, but as mpeg of some sort with a 384kbps....which I wouldn't not expect wav to be that low.
heck, if you can come up with a method to strip the audio into a wav or flac, that would work, and then I can import that into vegas with my video only versions.
Anyways, thanks so much, you know what you're doing.....now we just need to get that audio. please suggest what I should try next. -
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Tried that whole pointing the directory where ffmpeg.exe and ffprobe.exe are located, and the program kindly tells me the files aren't there. I assure you they are.
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Ok, that works with the new version of ffqueue, the old version you told me to use doesn't......anyways, now what? How do I set it to output the same as input?
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Youu create a preset with video copy and audio copy (push the button beside preset command lines, push new)
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Alright, we now have 2 ways to make a file with no audio for vegas.
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Did you pick the correct streams ?
You can try converting the audio to wav or something else in your preset
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The "Greek" method works here in vegas . I have no idea why ffqueue didn't work for you
It's just AC3 audio, MPEG2 video - so that's stuff vegas "understands"
I can write you a batch file where you just double click and all the .wtv files in a folder will be re-wrapped (stream copied). Is this a one time deal? I ask because if you record another channel, the stream mapping might be different and the bat won't work. This is why you should learn some simple "Greek" . (simple ffmpeg commands)
Instructions for the batch:
1) Unzip , and place batchfile.bat inot the same directory of .wtv files to be converted
2) Place a copy of ffmpeg.exe into the same directory
3) Double click batchfile.bat
(original .wtv files won't be overwritten ; it will make a "copy" of it as a .mpg file which vegas understands)
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