I've been using this setup for the last 5 years to transfer VHS to PC...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> ADVC-55 --> USB2 --> Win Vista --> WinDV --> AVI --> Pinnacle Studio --> DVD
I'd like instead to capture to memory cards from the TBC-1000s and bypass the computers. So the workflow would split into two...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> ? (device that writes video to memory cards)
Is there a device to do such a thing? Since the TBC-1000's have multiple outputs I can set up monitors to watch over.
From there I can author to DVD...
Memory card --> USB2 --> Win Vista --> Pinnacle Studio --> DVD
Thanks for any tips!
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Last edited by bhershey; 12th Mar 2015 at 20:13.
Perhaps! It outputs directly to USB2 flash or fat32 formatted hard drives, 720 x 480 h.264 2.5 Mbps mp4 files. At $329 it is surely cheaper than a dedicated PC. B & H has a great return policy as well, may be worth a try. Thanks.
If I get an S-video to HDMI convertor maybe I could use something like this, that records HDMI video directly to SSD drives for $327...
Most of the video capture device manufacturers have standalone recorders now.
The problem with those devices is they record h.264 video so you will lose some quality compared to your currnent DV process. And editing h.264 video is harder than editing DV. They also deinterlace losing both spacial and temporal resolution. The same appears to be true of the other devices listed here.
Also, it uses these codecs for recording: Uncompressed 10-bit QuickTime, Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) QuickTime, Avid DNxHD QuickTime, Avid DNxHD MXF.
http://gamerzone.avermedia.com//game_capture/game_capture_hd_2 However, like the other portable game capture devices above, it only has HDMI and component video inputs. A converter would be needed to record from S-Video or composite.
Last edited by usually_quiet; 21st Feb 2015 at 08:29. Reason: clarification
Great options and a good overview of current products. I want to try the AVerMedia Game Capture HD2.
S-video to component cables are OK? If so the cable would go between the TBC-1000 and the HD2.
Annoyingly, if you don't record in Avid DNxHD MXF then it records eight channels of 24-bit PCM audio from HDMI or sixteen channels from SDI, even if all but two of those are pure silence. Massive waste of space on your SSD.
This guy seems to be happy using the Leitch DPS-575 broadcast TBC to feed his HyperDeck Shuttle 2 with LaserDisc sources. I was disappointed with my DPS-470AV for VHS, personally.
OP: I would stay away from the "S-Video to HDMI" converters unless you know of one from a reputable brand. The Chinese "composite to HDMI" converter that I tried juiced up saturation to ridiculous levels, among other nastiness. If you have the budget for the HyperDeck + SSD, you may be able to get away with a fairly cheap piece of broadcast gear with SDI output to transcode your S-Video signal since it's already been line-TBC'd by the JVC.
I'm guessing the HyperDeck is overkill for your purposes, though.
Last edited by vaporeon800; 27th Feb 2015 at 21:16.
http://gamerzone.avermedia.com//game_capture/game_capture_hd_2 which takes HDMI or component IN I can get a pass-through device from S-Video to component to feed it, like some DVD burners, correct?
The HD2 records MP4, H.264, 7.5 Mbps, 4GB/hour, which should be fine compared to a standard 2 hr Mpeg-2 DVD format.
Any glaring issues with this proposed setup?:
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-Video --> DVD burner w/ pass-through --> component --> HD2
You want to put the DVD recorder before the TBC1000 so it can clean up the horizontal jitter -- assuming that's your purpose.
To recap, my original setup:
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> ADVC-55
I'm learning a bit here and there trying to answer my original question, "How can I capture analog video without a computer?"
So far this is my take-away...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> DVD Player pass-through --> Component --> Game Capture HD2 --> hard drive
Of course I can try it with and without the TBC-1000. This is for a mass transfer production shop, if that helps any suggestions you may make.
This is for a business? I would rather have a DVD produced from a DV capture than one re-encoded from 7.5Mbps hardware H.264.
What do you see as the advantage of changing your workflow?
Yes for a mass transfer business operation. The workflow change is to negate computer maintenance cost. With a dozen stations cranking for 5 years we're having significant computer failures... power supplies, memory, CPU thermal paste breakdown, etc. If we take away a $600 computer with so many potential failure points and replace it with two other devices for under $300 it may be a more cost effective workflow.
So are you saying definitively that 7.5Mbps hardware H.264 is worse than 2hr mpeg-2 DVD format? I would think it worth comparing, but I don't know that from experience. Doesn't a 2 hr DVD have 50% mpeg-2 compression? That's what Pinnacle Studio tells us during DVD renders.
Possibly responding too late, but better than never I suppose.
Doesn't a 2 hr DVD have 50% mpeg-2 compression?
Last edited by newpball; 12th Mar 2015 at 19:43.
My take away so far is this...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> DVD Player pass-through --> Component --> Game Capture HD2 --> MP4, H.264, 7.5 Mbp --> hard drive
What exactly is your suggestion?
"50% MPEG-2 compression" is basically a meaningless phrase, by itself.
For most of our output we burn a max of 1 hr per DVD to keep the highest Mpeg-2 data rate, but some are 2 hrs, so that's our current quality standard I'll be comparing with the proposed workflow.
Thanks for your input!
You did not make it clear initially that this is for a mass VHS to DVD transfer business. The Game Capture HD II is designed for intermittent use by consumers. If used daily for long periods of time, they probably will not last long. ...and your old DV work flow is better, quality-wise.
Of course this new workflow is adding more steps that process the video signal, which may be the basis for the comments against it?
Proposed Work Flow...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> DVD Player pass-through --> Component --> Game Capture HD2 --> H.264, 7.5 Mbp --> MPEG-2 DVD
Old Work Flow...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> ADVC-55 --> USB2 --> WinDV --> AVI --> MPEG-2 DVD
The H.264 processing takes longer than MPEG-2, so we'll have to take that into account in the cost analysis. Since we do all our DVD renders overnight using automated, custom scripts time shouldn't be much of an issue.
Thanks again for your constructive comments. This sounds like new territory (capture without a PC), so I'm excited to test this out and post the results here!
Last edited by bhershey; 12th Mar 2015 at 21:49.
This was 5 years ago in the early days when it was just me and my office, before I bought the TBCs.
You'll see nine JVC SR-V101US VCRs, 2 cassette decks, 3 scanners, camcorders, a PC tower...
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This is when we used to track the jobs on a white board... we hit 25 jobs in-house at once so I had to take a pic of THAT!
As vaporeon800 suggested in post #18, creating your DVD from DV, rather than converting to highly compressed h.264 is probably a better work flow.
So why not just store the DV output from the Canopus card directly onto a solid state DV recorder?.
something like one of these perhaps:
If you use an SSD in the recorder, then that removes all the moving parts from the DV capture. And no computer...
Well now we're talkin! This is exactly what I need, and I found this, which is less cost than a computer... DV to 32gb flash drive, AVI.
Oh my... change is gonna come wooo! It took awhile but we got there TYTYTY!!!
This is my FINAL workflow...
JVC SR-V101US --> S-video --> TBC-1000 --> S-video --> ADVC-55 --> Firewire --> Canon FS-CF, AVI, Flash Card
No more computers for capture! HAPPY DANCE lol