Blu-ray rip to m2ts

[DrReaper]

Hi Everyone,
I have a DLP 3d ready projector, a powerful intel computer, an AMD R9 290 video card, a LG Blu-ray drive brand new. I also purchased a few 3D blu-rays over the years. I have tested the system with a 3d test file and it works in 3d. The next step is to get 3d to work from the 3D blu ray disks.
The only software I can get to display 3D correctly is Bino. The test file was in the m2ts format. I guess to keep things simple. I would want to rip a 3d blue ray into m2ts then watch it and delete it, otherwise file size becomes an issue. It is possible to do this with older and new blu-ray disks?

[Cornucopia]

It's hard to tell since you haven't given us your full spec info (projector model #, etc), but in general, these are your possibilities, IIRC:

1. 3DBD-enabled BD player software: Cyberlink PowerDVD, Corel WinDVD, Arcsoft TMT (no longer sold new)
2. Stereoscopic-enabled general media player software (that also can play decrypted stereo M2TS/SSIF files): Bino, PotPlayer, Stereoscopic Player

The problem with the first option list is in the ripping. Those remaining commercial products have been specifically designed to not allow ISO play. They should play decrypted+ripped M2TS files directly, but you might have problems with Cinavia or other protection mechanisms.

Is it possible to do? Sure! Assuming the discs are true 3DBD spec, it shouldn't matter about old vs. new. Brand new discs might have an as-yet un-decryptable new copy protection, but those will ultimately be accommodated by decryptors.

Scott

[DrReaper]

I tried several playback programs and they don't work with my projector. They will play back in 2D but I am working on 3D. I want to play the files using Bino. I know it works with my projector in 3D. I need a suggesting on how to rip a blu-ray into a m2ts file type that bino accepts.

[Cornucopia]

Can't do that until we know exactly what projector you own.

Scott

[DrReaper]

Not sure why it matters. I own a LG PB63U.

[Cornucopia]

Here's why it (greatly) matters: Your "3D ready" projector does not follow the HDMI v1.4 3D standard, it follows only nVidia's "3Dvision" 3D standard, which is not nearly as universal.

This standard accepts only as 3D such input that is arriving at 120Hz (aka 60Hz per eye, alternating, or frame-alternate/sequential "page flipping" - whether quad buffered HW or not). Note that this is really a transmission standard, not a storage standard (possible but RARE), so you need a software player that recognizes it's input as being in some way 3D but then reformats the output (in realtime) to 3Dvision/pageflipped. SP can do this. In fact, your projector's manual states specifically to use SP or nVidia's 3Dvision player (which is actually a rebadged SP-lite), or Tri-Def3D player (I'm not a big fan). XGA 1024x768@120Hz.

Once your output is set correctly, it's really just a matter of formatting your input such that your player recognizes it as 3D (it will do the rest).
SP should automatically recognize a 3D M2TS/SSIF file (which incorporates an AVC main stream and an MVC dependent stream) and reformat it for 3Dvision transmission (assuming you set the output type correctly). It doesn't look like Bino can do that yet, so if you are married to the idea of strictly using Bino as your player, you will have to convert your 3DBD M2TS/SSIF files to something it can work with. The most likely choices are the SbS (Side-by-Side) or TaB (Top-and-Bottom) frame overlay 3D standards.

There are a number of 3D-aware ripping apps (3DBDBuster, DVDFab, MakeMKV, etc) that will convert the AVC+MVC streams in the M2TS/SSIF files to (for example) standard AVC streams in SbS format (usually saved to MP4 or MKV filetypes). You would likely have to TELL Bino which format it is, but everything else should work.

Scott

[DrReaper]

I know this may be difficult to understand but nothing works. The book may say use something... good luck making it work. I know Bino will take an m2ts file and it WILL WORK! My main problem is getting a m2ts file from a 3D blu-ray.
Nvidia 3d won't work without Nvidia hardware so that is a waste of time. Stereoscopic player won't work at all. Tridef 3d won't work at all.

[Cornucopia]

I think you are missing something. It's not rocket science, but it does require being very exacting & thorough with settings, etc.

What are your steps & settings for the Bino playback of the 3D file that you say is known to work?

As I mentioned, nVidia's 3Dvision is a standard. Yes, it is championed by nVidia, but the standard can still be followed (and utilized) by other manufacturers, just probably not using that specific brand & nomenclature. The AMD R9 290 supports Open GL, Open CL & DirectX so there is a good chance it supports hardware buffered page flipping ("frame sequential").

SP is actually the preferred player for this (both in my and the manufacturer's opinion). Just saying "it won't work at all" doesn't even scratch the surface of what options you tried or didn't (nor with which kind of source formats tried).

But what I don't understand is that if you already have a workflow for a file (format) that DOES work, why aren't you just duplicating that format & workflow?

Scott

[DrReaper]

Ok scott,
I open Bino and I play the file I know works and it comes out 3d. It's a m2tsfile. The DLP projector sends the signal and the glasses work.

I open the same file in SP or Tri-def 3d and no matter what settings I use I get no 3D whatsoever. It may look 3d on the screen but it never makes it to the glasses. I have gone through every setting in SP and Tridef one by one. Nvidia output shows up with no 3D. AMD output errors on hardware (I assume its the projector) generic doesn't work. I would think you would select DLP but that doesn't work either. I set the output to the correct setting for the projector 1024x768 at 120 and that didn't help.

The file that seems to work in Bino is a left/right m2ts file and I select left/right alternating output. This is really good 3D.

[Cornucopia]

The DLP that SP is referring to is for checkerboard format, IIRC.

You say you have a "Left/Right" M2TS file, but M2TS files (that properly come straight from true 3DBD discs) are NOT formatted that way. As I mentioned before, the 3DBD spec only uses MVC-type encoding, where there are standard 2D AVC-encoded streams for the MAIN stream and MVC "Difference" (difference between L+R views) in the DEPENDENT stream. It's possible it was an already converted file.

Please post detailed MediaInfo readout of that Left/Right file, and a screencap from it (as played in a STANDARD 2D player)...

BTW, your steps are still not the level of detail I was asking for.

Scott

[DrReaper]

General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : C:\Users\Christian\Desktop\3d_jvc_a_time_in_marche-DWEU.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 593 MiB
Duration : 7mn 38s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 10.8 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 7mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 10.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.202
Stream size : 533 MiB (90%)
Writing library : x264 core 112 r1834 a51816a
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x3 / me=dia / subme=1 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=abr / mbtree=0 / bitrate=10019 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.0

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 7mn 38s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 35.0 MiB (6%)

[Cornucopia]

OK, that looks like it came from a JVC Everio 3G-TD1 or similar cam, using SbS format, although it has clearly downconverted to a different (lower?) bitrate using x264. I note that this example clip doesn't have much depth, but that could be due to the slightly smaller interoccular distance in that cam.

So that is not from a 3DBD. There may still be a difference between a converted 3dbd file and a file such as this sample (possibly some hidden mftr/user-specific metadata) that may make a 3d player automatically recognize one and not the other as 3d (or vice versa). However, I would still expect both Bino & SP (and most other 3d player softs) to be able to manually interpret these both as the SbS 3d files that they are.

So, if that is your only working test file, I'm guessing you haven't succeeded in any of those other workflows I suggested. You have tried them, haven't you?

It's still unusual for a re-encoded file to be re-muxed back to an M2TS, but I guess it is possible someone wanted to incorporate this into a demo 3DBD.

Scott

[DrReaper]

I purchased Tri-Def 3D because the manual said to use it but I can't get it to playback anything in 3D. (Before I came here)
AMD HD3D basically fails with error 00300133 (something about hardware)
I have the demo of SP and I can't get any 3D out of it. I have tried for hours. All different kinds of settings.

I have been testing Tri-Def and SP using the JVC 3D file. I changed the output to XGA and I don't know what else to try.

I think I need to learn to rip a blue ray into the same kind of file JVC used and just play it using Bino.

[DJ_ValBec]

I never rip a 3D BR disc yet.
But ripping a regular BR as mkv 1:1 work ok to avoid all kinds of errors, even if I/we have to deal with the big size ripped file for awhile. (Movie Only will be your best bet, it cut the file size in almost half).
...in stead to rip-shrink-convert at the same time.

...then shrink, convert, etc.
One step at the time.


Hope this help.

[DrReaper]

Ripping a movie in 2D is no problem. I don't even need to do that really I just put the disk in the player and watch it. 3D blu-rays are a pain because I have to convert them to my hardware. It should be worth it if I can get it working. Going to the movies costs a lot when you have a large family. I would rather just buy the blu-ray in 3D.

[DJ_ValBec]

I feel your pain.
I only go to movies when I have new date(s)
...if she want to see something new.
I teach her

[Cornucopia]

Ripping a movie in 2D is no problem. I don't even need to do that really I just put the disk in the player and watch it. 3D blu-rays are a pain because I have to convert them to my hardware. It should be worth it if I can get it working. Going to the movies costs a lot when you have a large family. I would rather just buy the blu-ray in 3D.

No, you DON'T! That's the point of what I was trying to get across to you.

You need to:
1. Rip 3D Blu-rays to a standard format that is recognizable to standard players as 3D (whether manually or automatically).
2. Use a standard player that is 3D-aware/enabled.
3. Use the correct player input settings so that it properly accepts and understands the layout of the 3D file.
4. Use the correct player output settings so that it properly transforms it to the format that your DLP projector can understand.

Just saying "I tried everything and it didn't work" doesn't tell us much. We can't even be assured that you DID in fact try everything. But there is PLENTY you can try that can step-by-step troubleshoot each link in the chain so that you end up having your desired outcome.

For example: with SP, you can start with a Known Good (input & output). You could check each option in sequence, but I would suggest that you try using one of their sample movies (SbS mode or TaB mode for starters) and Anaglyph (optimized?) mode output. Can you see the file on your screen? Is it in 3D? - You will know this is showing proper 3D if you see disparity between the Red & Cyan borders of different element positions on the screen.

Scott