Rendering a dvd in vegas pro 12.

[Anonymous2]

I am making a dvd in vegas pro 12. The footage is .mov and still jpegs from nikon D3200. Vegas suggested render at HD internet 1080p but i think it should be mpeg for dvd to play on TV?

My question is can I start a new project with the .Veg file and render it as mpeg? I want to produce a dvd to play on TV through standalone DVD players .

[Skiller]

Vegas uses Mainconcept for MPEG2 encoding which in my opinion sucks, so I would just render to a lossless file and then use free HCenc for MPEG2 encoding. I guarantee that will provide better results than rendering straight to MPEG2 out of Vegas.

My question is can I start a new project with the .Veg file and render it as mpeg?

You don't have to start a new project, just alter the project's properties to either PAL or NTSC DVD standards. Then you either render to a lossless file or use Mainconcept.

After encoding you need to author a DVD file structure (Muxman is your friend) and then burn the files using ImgBurn.

[Anonymous2]

Vegas uses Mainconcept for MPEG2 encoding which in my opinion sucks, so I would just render to a lossless file and then use free HCenc for MPEG2 encoding. I guarantee that will provide better results than rendering straight to MPEG2 out of Vegas.

My question is can I start a new project with the .Veg file and render it as mpeg?

You don't have to start a new project, just alter the project's properties to either PAL or NTSC DVD standards. Then you either render to a lossless file or use Mainconcept.

After encoding you need to author a DVD file structure (Muxman is your friend) and then burn the files using ImgBurn.

You mean open the veg in vegas and alter the project's properties to either PAL or NTSC DVD standards?
How would you render to lossless file? I usually get an mp4 from vegas and make it a DVD with ConvertXtoDVD. Is that bad?

[_Al_]

I think mpeg2 in Vegas is more than good enough. Unlike H.264, to export mpeg2 in Vegas is fine. What sucks is resize of interlace content, but op perhaps deals with progressive original, judging the source is photo-camera, so no problem there.

You can leave project properties as you have. What do you have it set for. 1920x1080 , progressive content 29.970p or something? That's fine. Just export mpeg2 PAL or NTSC video stream, then audio stream and then use those two streams to make DVD as was suggested. Not sure if your Vegas version has DVD Architect or not.

The only problems in getting picture fluent as original could be if your original clips are 29.970fps and you need PAL DVD, which is 25fps. You did not mention if it matches, if you are in PAL or NTSC land etc. But those parts with images would be all right, any frame rate could be generated from image.

[Anonymous2]

I think mpeg2 in Vegas is more than good enough. Unlike H.264, to export mpeg2 in Vegas is fine. What sucks is resize of interlace content, but op perhaps deals with progressive original, judging the source is photo-camera, so no problem there.

You can leave project properties as you have. What do you have it set for. 1920x1080 , progressive content 29.970p or something? That's fine. Just export mpeg2 PAL or NTSC video stream, then audio stream and then use those two streams to make DVD as was suggested. Not sure if your Vegas version has DVD Architect or not.

The only problems in getting picture fluent as original could be if your original clips are 29.970fps and you need PAL DVD, which is 25fps. You did not mention if it matches, if you are in PAL or NTSC land etc. But those parts with images would be all right, any frame rate could be generated from image.

I am PAL and here are my camera specs http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d3200/nikon-d3200VIDEO.HTM

Yes it is set for Internet HD 1080 P- 24 fps ithink

I do not understand "export mpeg2 PAL or NTSC video stream, then audio stream "

I do not have architect

[_Al_]

Your frame rate is 24fps (if you shoot it that way) but PAL DVD could be 25fps. To fix that you have two choices,
-just select PAL DVD video stream, 25fps and Vegas would blend frames to new 24fps frame rate
-or using some advanced technique where you'd speed up your original to 25fps, where frames would not be blended

Use first, easy solution, you have perhaps lots of images and it is easy, not sure if you'd be able to do that second solution, you'd need another software like virtualdub (making intermediate 24fps avi). and then you'd need to fix audio length to that new video length (in Vegas- loading that intermediate and dragging audio while holding Ctrl key to the intermediate video length)

Not sure what version of Vegas you have , find Mainconcept mpeg2 export and template choose DVD PAL streamDVD streams. It might be marked some other way if you have that cheapest Vegas version, look for DVD export under mpeg2 export or something.

Export AC3 audio, 192kbps in Vegas as well.

Then those two streams, video-m2v and audio AC3 load into avstoDVD or Muxman to create DVD.

You can use CovertXtodvd but you encode to mp4, that is one more extra step, you degrade the quality. But if that mp4 is high definition 1920x1080 25fps with generous bitrate like 25,000,000 you might get away with it and DVD would not look bad too. Try that.

Or you can export just uncompressed avi, or Sony YUV (as it is marked in Vegas) , 1920x1080 25fps out of Vegas, beware file will be enormously huge and load that into ConvertXtoDVD.

I just noticed, your Vegas version is in your thread name, then there should be no problem to find those exports, your mpeg2 under MainConcept mpeg2 export and that Sony YUV under "Video for Windows" export. You can use some lossless export for that ConvertXtoDVD to decrease that file size, to about 1/3rd as oppose uncompressed but that you'd need to install some lossless codec first, like Ut video, so Vegas adds that in its export list (again under "Video for Windows")

[Anonymous2]

Your frame rate is 24fps (if you shoot it that way) but PAL DVD could be 25fps. To fix that you have two choices,
-just select PAL DVD video stream, 25fps and Vegas would blend frames to new 24fps frame rate
-or using some advanced technique where you'd speed up your original to 25fps, where frames would not be blended

Use first, easy solution, you have perhaps lots of images and it is easy, not sure if you'd be able to do that second solution, you'd need another software like virtualdub (making intermediate 24fps avi). and then you'd need to fix audio length to that new video length (in Vegas- loading that intermediate and dragging audio while holding Ctrl key to the intermediate video length)

Not sure what version of Vegas you have , find Mainconcept mpeg2 export and template choose DVD PAL streamDVD streams. It might be marked some other way if you have that cheapest Vegas version, look for DVD export under mpeg2 export or something.

Export AC3 audio, 192kbps in Vegas as well.

Then those two streams, video-m2v and audio AC3 load into avstoDVD or Muxman to create DVD.

You can use CovertXtodvd but you encode to mp4, that is one more extra step, you degrade the quality. But if that mp4 is high definition 1920x1080 25fps with generous bitrate like 25,000,000 you might get away with it and DVD would not look bad too. Try that.

Or you can export just uncompressed avi, or Sony YUV (as it is marked in Vegas) , 1920x1080 25fps out of Vegas, beware file will be enormously huge and load that into ConvertXtoDVD.

I just noticed, your Vegas version is in your thread name, then there should be no problem to find those exports, your mpeg2 under MainConcept mpeg2 export and that Sony YUV under "Video for Windows" export. You can use some lossless export for that ConvertXtoDVD to decrease that file size, to about 1/3rd as oppose uncompressed but that you'd need to install some lossless codec first, like Ut video, so Vegas adds that in its export list (again under "Video for Windows")

Ok thanks. i did one before with the following settings

Main Concept
Internet HD 1080P
1280 x 720
bitrate 5082 25 fps

and used convertxtodvd to make a DVD. people were impressed with the picture quality on their TV so i do not understand why mpeg 2 is preferred by vegas when it is only standard definition. Is 5082 a good bitrate?

Bluray would be better but some of the people who wil see it may not have BR players

[_Al_]

5082 for what, that final DVD stream made by ConvertXtoDVD? DVD's max bitrate is about 8500kbps, if your DVD is longer than 1hour 10min or so, your average bitrate has to be less than that, the longer DVD, the smaller average bitrate, to fit DVD, because there is only certain room (4.3 GB or so) on your DVD. ConvertXtoDVD sorts these things automatically I'd say.

Well if you encoded directly to mpeg2 standard definition 25fps and then use DVD authoring software that just multiplexed streams to DVD, it might look even better.

I'm not sure where you took that "proffered by Vegas", I'm not sure that pro version recommends anything, but anyway.

Understand that if you had exported standard definition mp4 and then loaded that into ConvertXtoDVD, it would look much worse than what you did. That high definition intermediate is "tolerable" as long as your final delivery is standard definition.

[Skiller]

people were impressed with the picture quality on their TV so i do not understand why mpeg 2 is preferred by vegas when it is only standard definition.

A standards compliant DVD-Video disc (meaning it plays in any DVD-player) is always standard definition and always uses MPEG2.

ConvertXtoDVD had to re-encode your exported video to make it standards compliant. This can be avoided as _Al_ described.

Is 5082 a good bitrate?

Well, it's probably good enough.

[Anonymous2]

5082 for what, that final DVD stream made by ConvertXtoDVD? DVD's max bitrate is about 8500kbps, if your DVD is longer than 1hour 10min or so, your average bitrate has to be less than that, the longer DVD, the smaller average bitrate, to fit DVD, because there is only certain room (4.3 GB or so) on your DVD. ConvertXtoDVD sorts these things automatically I'd say.

Well if you encoded directly to mpeg2 standard definition 25fps and then use DVD authoring software that just multiplexed streams to DVD, it might look even better.

I'm not sure where you took that "proffered by Vegas", I'm not sure that pro version recommends anything, but anyway.

Understand that if you had exported standard definition mp4 and then loaded that into ConvertXtoDVD, it would look much worse than what you did. That high definition intermediate is "tolerable" as long as your final delivery is standard definition.

The DVD was only 12mins. When I say proffered by vegas I mean vegas pops up a box asking if I want all the dvd to match the first clip or similar word. i says yes and it gave me 1080 HD internet

5082 was the mp4 rendered by vegas before i used convertxtodvd to make it a dvd

Understand that if you had exported standard definition mp4 and then loaded that into ConvertXtoDVD, it would look much worse than what you did.

I see what you mean
should i render 1080 HD internet then and convert with convertx even though it is for TV?

[newpball]

I am making a dvd in vegas pro 12. The footage is .mov and still jpegs from nikon D3200. Vegas suggested render at HD internet 1080p but i think it should be mpeg for dvd to play on TV?

My question is can I start a new project with the .Veg file and render it as mpeg? I want to produce a dvd to play on TV through standalone DVD players .

So basically you have an HD video camera, you record HD 1080/24p video using a pretty good bitrate, then you butcher the video by blending it to 25fps and reduce the resolution to 720p, then you convert it to SD video and burn it on a DVD (hopefully in anamorphic widescreen but I won't hold my breath), and then you watch it on a TV.



I suppose I am getting too old for this world.

[Anonymous2]

I am making a dvd in vegas pro 12. The footage is .mov and still jpegs from nikon D3200. Vegas suggested render at HD internet 1080p but i think it should be mpeg for dvd to play on TV?

My question is can I start a new project with the .Veg file and render it as mpeg? I want to produce a dvd to play on TV through standalone DVD players .

So basically you have an HD video camera, you record HD 1080/24p video using a pretty good bitrate, then you butcher the video by blending it to 25fps and reduce the resolution to 720p, then you convert it to SD video and burn it on a DVD, and then you watch it on a TV.



I suppose I am getting too old for this world.

and why is it any of your business. i am only learning with this if you cannot help then **** off. put you on ignore so you can pick your nose alone

[newpball]

...and why is it any of your business. i am only learning with this if you cannot help then **** off

I am helping you by telling you you do it all wrong.

The other members may have a different view on what helping actually means, but to me helping does not mean suggesting you butcher the video by frameblending and resampling twice so that you finally end up with a shadow of the original video.

It is very simple, if you record HD then leave it HD, don't blend and don't resize!

But I have a hunch you won't take my word for it.

[Cornucopia]

@newpball, we all know the current way he is doing it is wrong, but just saying "it's wrong" doesn't help at all. Neither does "leave it as HD", since the OP has clearly stated he wants the outcome to be a compliant DVD-Video disc. Please try to drop your HD/new format/new media bias for the moment and just suggest ways the OP can best get to their intended finish line.

But I have a hunch won't take my word for it.

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@Dopey2013,

You will ultimately have to resize from 1920x1080 HD video to 720x576 SD video (assuming you are in PAL land as your framerate would suggest). You also have to go from 24fps to 25fps and from Progressive to Interlaced (yes, all DVDs are encoded as interlaced).
Vegas' tools to do these conversions, as well as it's compressed encoders, are good-to-very-good, but not great. So to retain the BEST quality would be to output from vegas as was suggested: Losslessly-compressed HD 1080p24. Nothing less. This does create HUGE files. After the final MPEG2 encoding, they can be deleted (though you may want to retain them as Master backups).

Then you would use AVISynth to do the conversion/resizing/processing to get the video down to 576i25. This will be a "PsF" sort of motion storage.
I'd suggest using AssumeFPS("pal_film") for the speedup - with accompanying SSRC(48000) at the end to keep the audio proper, Spline36Resize() for the resize down to SD, along with the usual AssumeTFF(), SeparateFields(), SelectEvery(), Weave() for the faux "Interlacing", then a final ConvertToYV12() to get it ready for the MPEG2 encoder.

You would use HCEnc (and it's GUI), which accepts AVISynth scripts as source. HCEnc is one of the best current MPEG2 encoders available.

I guarantee you would get a much better quality outcome from going this route.

Scott

[Anonymous2]

...and why is it any of your business. i am only learning with this if you cannot help then **** off

I am helping you by telling you you do it all wrong.

The other members may have a different view on what helping actually means, but to me helping does not mean suggesting you butcher the video by frameblending and resampling twice so that you finally end up with a shadow of the original video.

It is very simple, if you record HD then leave it HD, don't blend and don't resize!

But I have a hunch you won't take my word for it.

then explain how to do it instead of saying I am wrong
I start with hd clips and put them in Vegas to arrange them. What then?

I want the end dvd to play on standalone players and want it hd. What do i render hd 1080 internet?

[_Al_]

newball
Who is re-sampling twice? Sure it is not optimal using mp4 intermediate, but he was told alternatives, but go ahead and explain op how to speed up his video using other software and then match audio. Heck, I would not do it, Vegas does pretty good job. That resample is set on default. I'd export 25fps mpeg2 from that HD 24fps. I'm sure that DVD is a just must have for those who cannot see it comfortably in another format, nothing to store and keep forever as back up, there is some form of HD video that is used as well, op knows that. He just has to know to export HD with 24fps, not 25fps, like that video for that DVD workflow. Did you actually tried Vegas or you just initiate another flare?

Dopey2013
I do not quite understand that "match pop up". Vegas might ask what project properties to choose, and offers to select clip properties to select for project properties, otherwise I do not remember any pop ups.

Another thing, internet HD is a mere name, label, because while exporting you can change those values to completely something else. Frame rate, bitrate, etc. So I'd increase bitrate for at least 10,000,000 for that 1280x720 , 25fps clip, and profile I'd set to High. Some export templates cannot be tweaked, changed much,not sure which ones now if Sony's templates or MainConcept avc exports, so just whatever can be changed. In Vegas , unlike the other editors and softwares , almost everything could be changed to everything. Project properties, export templates etc. So templates or project properties might have their name, good for beginners, but it could be changed to completely something else, or just to change one thing, like field order etc, very handy things. This is one reason I stuck with Vegas.

I think you might have mixed up MainConcept mpeg2 export with MainConcept avc, mpeg4 export while trying to figure out things here.

[Anonymous2]

newball
Who is re-sampling twice? Sure it is not optimal using mp4 intermediate, but he was told alternatives, but go ahead and explain op how to speed up his video using other software and then match audio. Heck, I would not do it, Vegas does pretty good job. That resample is set on default. I'd export 25fps mpeg2 from that HD 24fps. I'm sure that DVD is a just must have for those who cannot see it comfortably in another format, nothing to store and keep forever as back up, there is some form of HD video that is used as well, op knows that. He just has to know to export HD with 24fps, not 25fps, like that video for that DVD workflow. Did you actually tried Vegas or you just initiate another flare?

Dopey2013
I do not quite understand that "match pop up". Vegas might ask what project properties to choose, and offers to select clip properties to select for project properties, otherwise I do not remember any pop ups.

Another thing, internet HD is a mere name, label, because while exporting you can change those values to completely something else. Frame rate, bitrate, etc. So I'd increase bitrate for at least 10,000,000 for that 1280x720 , 25fps clip, and profile I'd set to High. Some export templates cannot be tweaked, changed much,not sure which ones now if Sony's templates or MainConcept avc exports, so just whatever can be changed. In Vegas , unlike the other editors and softwares , almost everything could be changed to everything. Project properties, export templates etc. So templates or project properties might have their name, good for beginners, but it could be changed to completely something else, or just to change one thing, like field order etc, very handy things. This is one reason I stuck with Vegas.

I think you might have mixed up MainConcept mpeg2 export with MainConcept avc, mpeg4 export while trying to figure out things here.

_Al_

This is the pop up I get on loading .mov files from my DSLR . Yes gives me 1080 P HD internet.Noted comments re label.Thanks for your help

[newpball]

I want the end dvd to play on standalone players and want it hd.

You cannot have that:

DVD supports only standard definition video

If you want it in HD then DVD is out, no point talking about it, forget about DVDs.
HD and DVDs do not go together.

[_Al_]

Yes, DVD max resolution is 720x576 in your case, in PAL land, that ConvertXtoDVD gives it 16:9 flag after you load that HD 1280x720 mp4 video. DVD is used today as a secure delivery, anybody can view it, but you degrade quality quite a lot by downscaling it to SD resolution. ConvertXtoDVD does that, if you load HD to it, so it is as by specs.

That is that pop up I thought it might be, you load a clip and Vegas wants to set up project properties. It has nothing to do with export settings.

Do not mix project properties with export properties. While exporting, you have to give exported clip properties for export that you set in export template. File - Render As - then for example: MainConcept avc/AAC (mp4) etc -choose template and set properties ...

Some values in project properties are being checked while rendering video, for example rendering quality (set always to best), pixel format (how to bit depth calculate using filters, what levels to use, you leave that to 8-bit), what deinterlace method to choose (notyour case), but mostly project properties set your viewing window, so you have overall idea about your project, proportions etc., and if you mix content on your timeline, you have to see how it is coming out.

So that pop up is just for beginners, you might as well go into your project properties (file - project properties) and change those values or just to check if Vegas got those project settings correctly, after you selected yes, for that pop up, to check if it is really same as your clip properties. You can change project properties any time.

[Anonymous2]

Yes, DVD max resolution is 720x576 in your case, in PAL land, that ConvertXtoDVD gives it 16:9 flag after you load that HD 1280x720 mp4 video. DVD is used today as a secure delivery, anybody can view it, but you degrade quality quite a lot by downscaling it to SD resolution. ConvertXtoDVD does that, if you load HD to it, so it is as by specs.

That is that pop up I thought it might be, you load a clip and Vegas wants to set up project properties. It has nothing to do with export settings.

Do not mix project properties with export properties. While exporting, you have to give exported clip properties for export that you set in export template. File - Render As - then for example: MainConcept avc/AAC (mp4) etc -choose template and set properties ...

Some values in project properties are being checked while rendering video, for example rendering quality (set always to best), pixel format (how to bit depth calculate using filters, what levels to use, you leave that to 8-bit), what deinterlace method to choose (notyour case), but mostly project properties set your viewing window, so you have overall idea about your project, proportions etc., and if you mix content on your timeline, you have to see how it is coming out.

So that pop up is just for beginners, you might as well go into your project properties (file - project properties) and change those values or just to check if Vegas got those project settings correctly, after you selected yes, for that pop up, to check if it is really same as your clip properties. You can change project properties any time.

OK to clarify I can make my film and I can produce different versions by changing the settings applied to the veg file?
I may make a bluray version too

[_Al_]

Your Project properties can stay the same, 1920x1080, 24fps, remember your frame rate is exactly 23.976 not 24, that 24 is just lazy term that is used but your camera produces 23.976fps, so make sure that number is in project properties, then you always decide what to export choosing "Save As Type", then choosing template that you can modify (or not) also by choosing "Custom". For Blu-Ray leave frame rate as 23.976.

For Blu-Ray creation you have to know what Blu-Ray authoring software you are going to use. To feed it with appropriate file. Because in Blu-Ray case no intermediate mp4 would be appropriate, you'd loose quality.

Or you just might decide to export your mp4 or better m2ts video from Vegas and just burn it on Blu-Ray disc as data. Your Blu-Ray player might just play it, with no menu hassle avoiding using Blu-Ray authoring softwares that create BDMV folder structure. There is a very limited amount of Blu-Ray authoring softwares that create BDMV structure with menu. For example, using DVD Architect or DVD Encore you'd need it to feed with some intermediate Sony YUV for example. If using multiAVCHD you can feed it with that intermediate also or already rendered m2ts in Vegas. Other choice is to get m2ts from Vegas and then using tsMuxer to create BDMV, then ImgBurn to burn it.

Remember creating Blu-Ray you does not make your video better, it is just a form of delivery. Some high quality mp4 on flash stick might make do as well.

[Anonymous2]

Your Project properties can stay the same, 1920x1080, 24fps, remember your frame rate is exactly 23.976 not 24, that 24 is just lazy term that is used but your camera produces 23.976fps, so make sure that number is in project properties, then you always decide what to export choosing "Save As Type", then choosing template that you can modify (or not) also by choosing "Custom". For Blu-Ray leave frame rate as 23.976.

For Blu-Ray creation you have to know what Blu-Ray authoring software you are going to use. To feed it with appropriate file. Because in Blu-Ray case no intermediate mp4 would be appropriate, you'd loose quality.

Or you just might decide to export your mp4 or better m2ts video from Vegas and just burn it on Blu-Ray disc as data. Your Blu-Ray player might just play it, with no menu hassle avoiding using Blu-Ray authoring softwares that create BDMV folder structure. There is a very limited amount of Blu-Ray authoring softwares that create BDMV structure with menu. For example, using DVD Architect or DVD Encore you'd need it to feed with some intermediate Sony YUV for example. If using multiAVCHD you can feed it with that intermediate also or already rendered m2ts in Vegas. Other choice is to get m2ts from Vegas and then using tsMuxer to create BDMV, then ImgBurn to burn it.

Remember creating Blu-Ray you does not make your video better, it is just a form of delivery. Some high quality mp4 on flash stick might make do as well.

is it not higher quality HD?

[_Al_]

Do not pay attention how labels, templates, videos are named, like high quallity, Blu-Ray, HD quallity,...., you are the one who actually decides what quality you get by selecting proper bitrate, not changing frame rate, not changing resolution while exporting video, those templates are just suggestions. But you can help it or mess it up changing parameters wrong.

In your case for example, you want best mp4 output from Vegas, you select MainConcept avc export, choose some template and make sure that rendering quallity is set to "best", 2pass VBR, average bitrate is high enough (like 20,000,000 depends on your video), frame rate is the same like original clips are:23.976 , and resolution you leave 1920x1080, also profile set to "High".

Another example, you can select Blu-Ray template, but giving it 6,000,000 bitrate you do not have any high quality HD video even if you leave resolution 1920x1080, 23.976. Bitrate has to be high enough to keep all details in your video. So you selected Blu-Ray thinking I'm gonna get best video, but encoder would not comply simply it does not have enough bitrate to accomplish that.
You decide what is high quality video. You can grab some HD internet template, but setting parameters as above you make that video "high quality".

[newpball]

In your case for example, you want best mp4 output from Vegas, you select MainConcept avc export, choose some template and make sure that rendering quallity is set to "best", 2pass VBR, average bitrate is high enough (like 20,000,000 depends on your video), frame rate is the same like original clips are:23.976 , and resolution you leave 1920x1080, also profile set to "High".

Another example, you can select Blu-Ray template, but giving it 6,000,000 bitrate you do not have any high quality HD video even if you leave resolution 1920x1080, 23.976. Bitrate has to be high enough to keep all details in your video. So you selected Blu-Ray thinking I'm gonna get best video, but encoder would not comply simply it does not have enough bitrate to accomplish that.
You decide what is high quality video. You can grab some HD internet template, but setting parameters as above you make that video "high quality".

I agree with all this!

is it not higher quality HD?

It really depends on the bitrate and the codec. H.264 with the same bitrate is far better than ye olde MPEG-2. Luckily most of the time H.264 is used, but note that there are die-hards who stick with the old codecs.

Viewing from a file could be better.

The problem with Blue-Ray is that the formats are very restricted. For instance most HD cameras now support 1080/30p. Well guess what? You can't burn that on Blue-Ray! Not in the standards! I spare you the details why (plus some folks here seem to get very uncomfortable when it is brought up). Certainly there is no technical reason whatsoever.

So yes some formats are better viewed from a file. However there is a there as well. If you hook your TV up to a computer, which is by far the best thing to do, you will have good quality, guaranteed! However if you play though a player with a built-in USB it depends. Personally I am far but impressed about the versatility and quality of those firmware decoders those engineers put in those players (I know, another touchy subject here) so your mileage may vary.

Best way by far to hook it up to a computer!

[_Al_]

H.264 with the same bitrate is far better than ye olde MPEG-2. Luckily most of the time H.264 is used, but note that there are die-hards who stick with the old codecs.

H.264 is better. But there is nothing wrong with mpeg2 encoding, sure, it needs more bitrate than H.264 but sometimes, for making it easy using older hardwares, it is a valid solution. Bitrate could be higher 5,000,000 (Vegas format of those number), who cares. Remember now, knowing you can use dmfs you load that into HcEncoder and you set mode for quality encoding, and you might get even smaller size as you'd get in Vegas for H.264, simply because in Vegas you play lottery and mostly overshooting bitrate. This is advanced solution, nothing for op, but worth mentioning. Look he is using images, perhaps a lot, that is a case where quality encoding saves a tons of data usually.

For instance most HD cameras now support 1080/30p. Well guess what? You can't burn that on Blue-Ray! Not in the standards! I spare you the details why (plus some folks here seem to get very uncomfortable when it is brought up). Certainly there is no technical reason whatsoever.

To that 30p comment. Again, perhaps advanced for op, but you can encode that 30p with fake interlace flag in x264 encoder. I record myself 30p (29.970p) and I feel no restrictions regarding this. Again dmfs gets video out of Vegas, loading it into some x264 encoder, setting Blu-Ray compatibility and fake interlace flag, muxing streams with tsMuxer to get BDMV, burning it with ImgBurn.

[Cornucopia]

Yes there is a technical reason why BD doesn't support "30p". It doesn't match film's framerate of 24p (main target application for BD distribution), nor does it have the motion smoothness that 720p and 1080i have - the 2 professional/high-quality HD capturing formats available at the time that BD was specified (the 2nd target application for BD distribution). However, you are mistaken that it can't be put on BD, because a 30p PsF BD title can be created (as "30i") with no loss of quality.

Also, saying "the problem with Blue-ray (sic) is that it is very restricted" is like saying "the problem with 12-tone Western Music is that it is very restricted".

@Dopey2013, newpball seems to keep trying to distract you with options of HTPC use, etc., and it seems you have gotten confused as a result. Why don't you make it clear to us what you are really needing? - Are you needing to send this to people who only have DVD players? Are there some of those people who have BD players also? or generic media players also? Are you just doing this for yourself?
This will help pin down what options you have.
For example: if you truly need to send this to others (fam, friends) who ONLY have DVD players, the idea of "keeping it in HD" is a moot point! All DVD players play only SD (even those that fake HD by upscaling their output). If this is your pathway, the workflow I suggested earlier is preferred.
If your pathway is different, then I think you've been leading us astray on "wild goose chases".

Scott

[_Al_]

Personally I am far but impressed about the versatility and quality of those firmware decoders those engineers put in those players (I know, another touchy subject here) so your mileage may vary.

I think, they might be dumb-down on purpose, I really do, , or simply firmware is not tuned up regarding some video setting, container, or they might not bother licencing some formats so it is a no, no for playback. Those chips in those devices can handle anything nowadays. We can look at phones now for example, you install some good player and it just can play anything.

[newpball]

For example: if you truly need to send this to others (fam, friends) who ONLY have DVD players, the idea of "keeping it in HD" is a moot point!

Not necessarily, keeping it HD is a beautiful way of giving people incentives!

What if a nephew's uncle's second door neighbor who knows someone who only has an old VHS wants a copy as well? Should everybody else have to suffer a completely botched version of what was originally a nice HD video?

[Cornucopia]

Withholding copies until the recipient puts up money (for HD upgrades) - sounds like extortion to me!

Do you hear yourself?! My example clearly said if the audience ONLY had DVD players, it should go SD. And then my next line left open the option for if there were multiple pathways. Multiple pathways = multiple output formats.
So you go the exact opposite direction and say that if there is one lone exception there can be no accommodating the exception without nullifying the majority, completely disregarding the idea of multiple pathways = multiple output formats.
You are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice with this juvenile, "all-or-nothing" attitude.

Still waiting on the OP to clarify everything by responding to my simple question...

Scott

[sophisticles]

I want the end dvd to play on standalone players and want it hd. What do i render hd 1080 internet?

This right here shows that you don't know what you are doing and you can't be bothered to google for all of 5 minutes to get it right nor have you bothered to read all the responses posted in this thread.

I will make this as simple as possible, YOU CAN NOT HAVE A DVD THAT PLAYS ON STANDALONE PLAYERS AND SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE IT HD!

HD refers to video with a resolution of 1920x1080, 1440x1080, 1280x1080, 1280x720, and a number of other larger resolutions. DVD refers to video in a very specific format, 720x480, 720x576, 704x480 and very specific frame rates, as well as only mpeg-2 for video and LCPM for audio or MP2 or AC3.

As has been suggested your current workflow is butchering the video and if people are very pleased with the results I am shocked. A couple of member have suggested a much better workflow but in general if you shoot in HD and wish to edit in Vegas do so, then export the results as an AVI using a lossless codec, such as MagicYUV, Huffy, Sony's lossless codec, then do the resize, frame rate conversion and mpeg-2 encoding in one continuous step, as has already been suggested.

You will get much better quality DVD but remove the statement about a DVD in HD that plays on stand alone players, it's the equivalent of saying I WANT A FERRARI MADE BY FORD.