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    @grizzly_, maybe you are not cluing into the semantic differences mentioned here, so I will try to spell it out a little more plainly for you:

    1. "F***ing moron" - an expletive adjective describing a not-so-smart person.
    2. "Moron f***ing" - a not-so-smart person who is in the process of an unmentionable act.

    Notice the only difference is in the order of the words. But they are important.

    So,

    1. Windows 3.1 Installer - An installer that installs the Windows 3.1 operating system (with no specific mention of the version # of the installer)
    2. Windows Installer 3.1 - Version 3.1 (circa 2005) of the general MODERN installer Microsoft uses to install various updates (including DotNetv4).

    Notice the only difference is in the order of the words. But they are important.

    You keep refering to the 2nd #1 above, but that has been demonstrated BY YOU (through your screencap) to not exist. Notice that my 2nd #2 above made NO MENTION of the old operating system from 1992 (you were mistaken on the date BTW). In fact, both DotNet and Windows Installer frameworks don't work on older OSes (DotNet v1.0 only worked on Win98 or higher, while v4.0 probably only works on XP or higher, WinInstaller is similar). You have 0% chance of any installer or framework from the XP era interacting in any way with Win3.1, including installing it.

    You want A. You need to run B to install A. You need to update/install C to update/install B. Once they do their part, B & C are superfluous and can be removed.
    If you really have an aversion to retaining DotNet4 and WinInstaller3.1, you can remove them after installing Freemake (assuming freemake doesn't rely on DotNet for its API library), as those seem required merely to complete the task of the installation. However, if you later on need to uninstall Freemake, you will need to have both of those deleteds installed & updated again in order for the uninstall to complete its task.

    If you can't wrap your head around that, then my example text is even more apt.


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  3. Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    There's no need to install either MPC-HC or VLC. Both come in portable flavours that you can just download, unzip and run (look for portable versions in the previous links).
    Thank you for the info, that is good to know. What exactly is the difference between installing MPC and the 'portable flavors?' The version of MPC that I have is installed (i think?).
    None I can think of. The installer may offer to associate media files with the player so they automatically open in MPC-HC when you double click on them but that'd be about it. You can still set the file associations with the portable version but you need to go into MPC-HC's options to do it.

    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    As a general rule I don't have problems playing MP4s with MPC-HC (I don't use VLC myself) but you could try opening a problem MP4 with MKVMergeGUI and saving it as an MKV. It won't take long and hopefully the MKV won't have audio sync issues. MP4s can be a bit odd on occasion.....

    Both MPC-HC and VLC will play MKVs.
    Ugh, .mkv is a matroska file right? Those are even worse than MP4s! Nothing knows how to play those, they don't play anywhere, especially not on PC computers.
    Ahh.... so when I said both MPC-HC and VLC will play MKVs, I must have meant MPC-HC and VLC won't play MKVs, and the MKV containing 1080p video MPC-HC is currently displaying on my TV must be a figment of my imagination.

    There's two TVs in this house with built-in USB media players, They both play MKVs. There's two different model Bluray players in this house with USB inputs and both will play MKVs via USB or burned to disc. Even the Xbox One had MKV supported added recently.

    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    The FreemakeVideoConverter program you refer to requires the Microsoft dot net framework to run (version 4). There's been several versions. In order to install the dot net framework the Windows installer needs to be upgraded to version 3.1 (or so it seems). It has nothing to do with Windows 3.1.
    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Yes I have to install windows 3.1 installer to get it to work, or so it tells me. I do not want anything to do with Windows 3.1, it's components, its installer, or anything.
    The Windows installer is the program Windows uses for installing other software. There's been many different versions. The version required in your case is 3.1. It has nothing to do with Windows 3.1.
    XP came with Windows installer version 2 initially. You need to upgrade it to version 3.1

    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    This is what I don't understand: Why does so much modern software made in the 2010s require components from an operating system that was hot stuff in the late 1980s (.net 4.0 from Windows 3.1)? Was .net 4.0 like the one good thing about Win3.1 that wasn't defective and full of bugs?
    You're winding me up now, aren't you? Dot net framework didn't exist when Windows 3.1 was around. You can't even install dot net framework on Win 3.1 It has nothing to do with Windows 3.1!

    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    Have you ever run Windows Update?
    Not that I know of. What is Windows Update? Will it download the latest .mp4 playing software that I need?
    No.
    You're running Windows XP service pack 2. When service pack 3 was released about 410 years ago, it was a major upgrade to XP. It was almost like upgrading to newer version of Windows. A lot of software that can be installed on XP requires XP service pack 3. XP with service pack 2 isn't well supported. I'm surprised you can find much software that'll install on it.
    Windows update would have updated you to service pack 3, upgraded the Windows installer, added dot net, and applied another hundred or so (no kidding) patches and updates.
    Mind you some old software that ran on XP SP2 won't run on SP3, so if you install SP3 you might need to upgrade some of your installed software. But that's process the rest of us went through years ago.

    http://www.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    ffdshow is a DirectShow filter capable of decoding lots of formats. There's nothing dodgy about it. I have it installed.
    If you download the latest version of MPC-HC and run it, look in it's options for the one to reset it (under miscellaneous). That should delete any previous settings and MPC-HC should use it's own internal filters rather than ffdshow (you don't need to uninstall ffdshow, it just won't be used).
    I tried your instructions but it seems my MPC-HC doesn't have any reset options. Was this added in a more modern version? The version of MPC-HC I have is from like 2008 or so, I believe.
    A six year old media player? And it doesn't always play every file format and sometimes MP4s are out of sync. A six year old player?? Really???
    Yes, the new versions of MPC-HC have a reset button.

    Originally Posted by grizzly_ View Post
    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    You might find the MP4s will play without audio sync issues. It could be a splitter problem as by default MPC-HC should be using it's internal splitters....
    This is waaaaaaaaaaaaay over my head, you might as well be talking rocket science but I appreciate you taking the time to type it out!
    The splitter separates the audio from the video on playback. If there's sync issues it might be the cause. And I'm pretty sure some old versions of MPC-HC did have sync issues with MP4s, but those days are long gone.
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