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Last edited by SHS; 5th Nov 2014 at 21:01.
Fix the link.
Politics in the USA works simple: you have money and lobby and thus "convince" the folks in congress how they should vote.
The audio/video industry is powerful in the USA, remember the "Mickey Mouse" copyright extension law?
You watch, in the year 6959 a drawing resembling a sketch of a silly mouse drawn about 5000 years earlier is still illegal.
I'm assuming this is the link. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/35-cable-digital-cable-non-hdtv/1749690-we-need-your-hel...cablecard.html
On Hauppauges' twitter page, that was the link they posted. Here is the twitter page. https://twitter.com/HauppaugeHQ
There are actually still people out there stupid enough to give their $$$$ to any cable company ?!?!?!?!
I have not had cable anything for at least 10 years and I will watch shadow puppets by campfire before I ever give those POS a single penny again!!!!!!
Had DSL for years because it used to be WAY better than Cable!!!!
Last year it was upgraded to Uverse and fiber optic and is still WAY better than Cable anything!!!!
So now, what was your point ?!?!?!
Wrong, SHS. Now, they amount to basically the same thing, but they have arrived at a similar destination from very different paths. And at one point, there WAS a number of big differences between the varieties.
AT&T is a phone & data communications company (and ISP) that now also provides cable-type programming.
TWC/Comcast is a cable-type company that now also provides phone & data communications (and being an ISP).
Both have been homogenized through the ubiquity of the Internet.
Overall, I'd say it depends on the tiering system and whether certain kinds of video/audio/phone/data programming can be gotten on an ala-carte system or on a required-bundled system. I'm sure what Noahtuck is saying is he's in favor of the former, regardless of what kind of wire technology is used in the pipeline.
Last edited by SHS; 6th Nov 2014 at 08:03.
I would like to keep CableCARDs too, and see a new standard interface (AllVid) in the future, but it ain't going to happen.
I think it is fair to point out that AT&T's U-Verse is an IPTV system, and as such they are exempt from the requirement to use CableCARDs or any other consumer-friendly standard interface. There is no choice but to use their equipment. The same is true of satellite service. Cable companies have argued for years that since their competition is exempt from the requirement to use CableCARDs it is unfair to force them to use this technology, and it looks like they will get their way. The House of Representatives has already passed legislation to end the CableCARD requirement. http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/set-top-boxes/house-votes-to-kill-cablecard-ma.../d/d-id/710079 ...and since both houses are now pro-business, anti-regulation and anti-consumer, there is no chance a write in campaign will succeed. There is probably never going to be a required standard separable security interface again. AllVid, which was proposed a few years ago as the replacement for CableCARDS, has gone nowhere.
Cable providers use QAM over copper or fiber and have been required to use CableCARDS for their standard cable boxes and PVRs since 2007, but not on legacy equipment or cheap DTAs for basic cable customers. Some traditional cable companies (Comcast is one) are experimenting with IPTV as a delivery system. If the experiment is successful they will certainly abandon CableCARDS as part of the delivery system regardless.
This from ABC (one of those broadcast winners in that Aereo case):What is a TV provider?
A TV provider is the company you pay in order to get your television service, like a cable company, a satellite company or a telco (also called a telecommunications company).
Netflix & Hulu have some TV programming, which allows you to get them through ANY streaming service (sprint, joe blow's ISP microwave tower), but you'll notice that unless they have made specific deals to license certain "channels" or individual programs, much of your standard OTA stuff will not be available. Specifically because they are not "TV providers".
Again, the point Noahtuck was focusing on dealt much less with the nomenclature of "cable company" vs. others, but on ala-carte vs. bundled tiered service choices. It's just that most TV providers, including cable companies, don't find it economically in their best interest to unbundle.
usually_quiet yes IPTV "Internet Protocol Television" is great idea but that also mean have to use the companies set-top box.
They been experimenting with IPTV for min years what do you think VOD is and other odd name like it are as the only real diff is it not a Time-shifted television or is not related to TV programming like ABC, NBC, AMC, SpikeTV, etc, etc steaming 24/7.
So I take you miss all this last years?.
They no longer regulated differently then cable they are no under the same rules
...and a traditional cable provider's VOD and other interactive TV services are not the same as a full IPTV system, which is what Comcast and others are experimenting with in some areas.
The fact remains that AT&T is not required to use CableCARDs because they are not actually a cable company. They are using the Internet and Internet protocols to deliver TV. Here 's a quote from one of the articles you linked to proving my point:
Rather than lump IPTV into the cable category--something that drew objections from AT&T (NYSE: T) in its comments--the Commission set up an expanded its target category to "cable television systems and Internet Protocol TV service providers" on which fees will be calculated on a per-subscriber basis and in "the same manner as we assess fees on cable television providers."
"We are not stating that IPTV providers are cable television providers," the report said.
...and "min" is short for "minimum" not "many".
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Nov 2014 at 13:22.
IPTV system is base on VOD system with a few difference parts which the distribution signals delivery can both use IP
Being you have Media Center I'm also guest you also have a media center extender? if yes then you have an IPTV/VoD system.
IPTV services is classified into three main groups
1: Live television, with or without interactivity related to the current TV show.
2: Time-shifted television: catch-up TV (replays a TV show that was broadcast hours or days ago), start-over TV (replays the current TV show from its beginning).
3: Video on demand (VOD): browse a catalog of videos, not related to TV programming.
The fact remains that AT&T is still a cable companies your the one keep bring up CableCard when ever ones know CableCard don't work over IPTV nor VoD.
time after time to be ignorant about anything other than Hauppauge products
So because I not good at writing.
You are not good at reading either. One of the links you posted as proof that AT&T is a cable company says the opposite. It says the FCC doesn't consider AT&T or other IPTV providers to be cable companies.
Being unable to understand a few sentences written in very simple English in an article you linked to yourself shows that your reading skills are also insufficient for ordinary practical needs. This is functional illiteracy by any definition.
...and the reason I keep bring up CableCards is that FCC rules requires cable service providers offering encrypted digital service to supply CableCARDs to customers and use CableCARDs in the majority of their set-top boxes. AT&T U-Verse doesn't use CableCARDs at all in spite of being all digital, hence they are not subject to all the same rules that cable service providers must follow.
You have dug yourself a very deep hole. Anyone but a fool would have already stopped digging.
[Edit]I forgot to reply another one of you false statements. I happen to have a cable box with a CableCARD. Incoming signals from Comcast and outgoing signals to Comcast go through the RF connection for the CableCARD. CableCARDs work just fine for VOD as long as they are installed in a cable box. The VOD is supplied on a QAM sub channel like all the other digital cable channels, not using IP protocols. Before Comcast encrypted most QAM channels I could channel surf with a QAM TV tuner and watch another subscriber's VOD request.
Now I am done.
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Nov 2014 at 15:46.
But ever where else say diff story and I agree and the way see it as long you have cable line coming in from main street node hub off the pole or under ground to our house it doesn't matter if it coaxial line or fiber optic line in from of QAM or IPTV or what ever the case may be going to min other houses and it still broadcast the same way as if you where watching on TWC, CableOne, Comcast, Google FiberTV or what ever which not like Satellite or Over the Air Antenna which is wireless.
Last edited by SHS; 6th Nov 2014 at 17:21.
Being I wasn't allow to take photo at TWC Server Room some years back this page below with photo here
firececable.com article explicitly makes a distinction between IPTV-based TV services and cable TV services everywhere, not in just the one sentence from the article that I quoted and that you re-quoted.
If you are not functionally illiterate then you are deliberately choosing to not to understand what the fiercecable.com article says so you don't have to admit that you are wrong.
The fiercecable.com article goes on to say the following:
While IPTV finally got caught in the regulatory net, the FCC declined to haul in satellite TV, noting that it would revisit that issue in the future.
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Nov 2014 at 20:54. Reason: grammar
[Edit]All that ended once Comcast finished encrypting all digital cable-only channels, but there is no mistaking what I saw using just a QAM TV tuner. The VOD was delivered using a QAM sub-channel like the regular digital cable channels, which I could also watch without a cable box for a short period of time.
You omitted a crucial part of the Wikipedia article in post #19. The Wikipedia IPTV article starts by saying the following about IPTV :
Internet Protocol television (IPTV) is a system through which television services are delivered using the Internet protocol suite over a packet-switched network such as a LAN or the Internet,
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Nov 2014 at 20:59.
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Nov 2014 at 21:44.