help with sony vegas rendering

[Anonymous2]

i took some footage on a nokia lumia 520. .MP4 files it is sideways when played thru vlc on pc. i put it in to vegas pro 12 and it shows right way up on timeline. but will not show at all when rendered ?

[aedipuss]

can you upload a sample?

[Anonymous2]

Why do you need a sample? Will 44 Mb be OK or too big?

Here is the media info details

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Dopey\WP_20140602_038.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 41.2 MiB
Duration : 32s 684ms
Overall bit rate : 10.6 Mbps

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 32s 684ms
Source duration : 32s 709ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 10.5 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Rotation : 90°
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 29.900 fps
Minimum frame rate : 6.684 fps
Maximum frame rate : 30.120 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.380
Stream size : 40.8 MiB (99%)
Source stream size : 40.8 MiB (99%)
mdhd_Duration : 32705

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 32s 684ms
Source duration : 32s 684ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 96.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 390 KiB (1%)
Source stream size : 390 KiB (1%)
mdhd_Duration : 32684

Other mp4 files will show when rendered so there must be something wrong with the files from the phone.

[aedipuss]

sample to test. 44mb is fine. looks like it's probably a variable frame rate issue.

[racer-x]

or a "Rotation : 90°" issue...............

[Anonymous2]

sample to test. 44mb is fine. looks like it's probably a variable frame rate issue.

how do i fix that?
It shows in a rendered state in camtasia. Would variable frame rate not affect that?

[Anonymous2]

or a "Rotation : 90°" issue...............

would that stop it showing at all? in the preview it is right way up

[racer-x]

Don't know without a sample. Shoot something for 10 second holding the phone the same way and upload it.

[Anonymous2]

OK here is a sample from same phone

[smrpix]

That sample is completely black. Is that your source?

[racer-x]

What are you trying to be....funny? I said shoot some actual video, not render out black frames.

[Anonymous2]

What are you trying to be....funny? I said shoot some actual video, not render out black frames.

no not trying to be funny it has video when i play it
Why would i waste time shooting a blank video i am tryingh to solve this. Let me have another look

[Anonymous2]

That sample is completely black. Is that your source?

i shot in on the phone and put into vegas and saved in vegas as .mp4 But it plays for me. Let me check again and get back to you

[smrpix]

What are you trying to be....funny? I said shoot some actual video, not render out black frames.

no not trying to be funny it has video when i play it

Then it must be some kind of a reference shell to an actual video. The one you posted is basically empty.

[smrpix]

That sample is completely black. Is that your source?

i shot in on the phone and put into vegas and saved in vegas as .mp4 But it plays for me. Let me check again and get back to you

Don't put it in vegas. Just post it plain as racer-x has requested.

FWIW, It appears the problem is likely your render settings.

[Anonymous2]

Sorry guys my mistake. I put it through vegas first which was what was causing the problem. Hold on

[Anonymous2]

I am trying to upload it now. Keeps hanging at sending request to forum.videohelp.com and uploading file please wait

[Anonymous2]

Ok it is uploaded now. Apologies for the blank one. That is what happens when i put it throgh vegas. There are jpegs and a music track on the project and they show after rendering. Hope this is ok. I can see video anyway
OK just checked it plays... sideways though. It is right way up in vegas preview but blank in render

Thanks

[aedipuss]

you are supposed to hold the camera sideways when shooting video. vegas renders it just fine.

[smrpix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqHZJe6306k#t=57

This might help

[racer-x]

My wife shoots the same way. I try to explain that video should always be shot horizontal, but you know how it is..........

You'll have to zoom and crop that if you want to fill the screen.

[aedipuss]

hehe. mine is the same. no matter how many times i explain it.....

[Anonymous2]

OK It is shot wrong sowhy does it not show in the render wrong way up? Why is the first upload blank?

[Anonymous2]

You'll have to zoom and crop that if you want to fill the screen.

But i have nothing on the screen of the render. Should i not have the narrow upright shot if it works?


I rotated it with vlc and it is still blank output

[racer-x]

OK It is shot wrong sowhy does it not show in the render wrong way up? Why is the first upload blank?

I don't know, maybe you accidentally created a blank region and rendered it out? Post a screen shot of your Vegas timelines work area of your project.

[Anonymous2]

OK It is shot wrong sowhy does it not show in the render wrong way up? Why is the first upload blank?

I don't know, maybe you accidentally created a blank region and rendered it out? Post a screen shot of your Vegas timelines work area of your project.

my project has no blank places all the clips run in together and show on preview

[Anonymous2]

What is the best way/program to record the clips to .mp4 as they play on the pc?

Video shot with phone horizontal renders so must be the clips

[smrpix]

Dopey, even that vertical clip you posted rendered fine here (as it obviously has for others.) What are your output settings? Dimensions, frame rate, bitrate?

edit: When Vegas doesn't have a preset that to match your video settings it can default to an audio-only selection. I bet that's what's happening. Manually adjust it.

[Anonymous2]

Dopey, even that vertical clip you posted rendered fine here (as it obviously has for others.) What are your output settings? Dimensions, frame rate, bitrate?

edit: When Vegas doesn't have a preset that to match your video settings it can default to an audio-only selection. I bet that's what's happening. Manually adjust it.

But it was not put through vegas. The one i put through vegas was blank

edit: When Vegas doesn't have a preset that to match your video settings it can default to an audio-only selection

will check that thanks

[Anonymous2]

I solved it by playing the phone clips in vlc on pc and recording with camtasia. The resultant MP4's loaded into Vegas will render in Vegas.
Thanks guys for the suggestions