Playstation 2 playing mpeg1--> Un f*cking believable!!!!!!!

[SIS3970]

From the very first moment i joined this community i tought ps2 couldn't
play mpeg1. Correct! If you make a vcd that is!

When i capture with my asus v7700 thru Ulead's DVD WorkShop directly to
Mpeg1 and then author it to a DVD(pioneer DVR A03) it plays fine on my PS2 chipped with Neo 2,2.

What the f**k is wrong with the people of Sony, I don't believe it's so hard to make a little adjustment in the bios of ps2 so that it can play VCD's.

Am I wrong here????

Could someone tell me their expieriences with PS2 and Mpeg1/2.

Tomorrow I'm gonna try SVCD Mpeg2 on a DVDR.
I'l post the results soon.

Goodbye fellow vcd'ers

[TKS]

Yeah I agree with you.. I dont know what the hell is wrong with the people at Sony.. :)

I know that the Playstation 1 had some sorta VCD hardware add-on for it.. Doesnt make sense to me..

tks

[adam]

The ps2 has no mpeg1 decoding software and adding it would not be as simple as tweaking the bios. It would increase the production cost of each unit to implement it and the vast majority of the money Sony makes off of the Playstation franchise is through software sales. Adding vcd cabilities might sell more consoles but it won't sell more games and Sony knows it, they learned that from the original Jap release of the psx which did have vcd cabilities and was unprofitable.

I wouldn't be at all suprised to see a vcd addon for the PS2 just like what was available for the psone but, like you I am suprised that it is taking this long.

[Mirror_Image]

It's true, the console manufacturers don't rely on the one-time console purchase to fill the piggy bank; it's all those cartridges that bring in the lion's share of the loot. If you don't make the company stock perform, the stockholders (for whom making a profit is a corporation's primary responsibility) boot you and get someone who can.

[dvddarren]

Have you tried burning both an mpeg1 and mpeg2 film to the same DVDR.
(before you ask why I would want this, I put both and svcd and vcd onto 1 disc without re-encoding both films, I only needed to re-encode the svcd to DVD resolution)

I have tried this with strange results.

The mpeg2 at 720x576 plays fine, the mpeg1 at 352x288 is really really blocky.

Both work perfectly in my DVD player but not the ps2.

Its as if the PS2 has decided from the minute it reads the disc, what resolution its going to play all movies at.

Thus playing the mpeg1 352x288 at 720x576 resulting in very large blocks.

Has anyone done this succesfully?

[dvddarren]

I have tried burning 3 vcd's to 1 dvdr but it looks pathetic on PS2.

It works on dvd player but on ps2 it looks like theres a white screen in front of the film and really really blocky.

[Shabubu]

The funny thing is that Sony worked on the original VCD format specs...

And the MPEG decoder chip inside the PS2 can play back MPEG 1 (they all can, it's part of the requirements in the chip design). However the software does not support the VCD format, so a redesign of the software could support it (but again that costs money). The reason the original playstation cost more to fit with VCD is that it didn't have and MPEG chip, so adding one cost more.

[dvddarren]

if this is the case, it should play a vcd on dvdr no problem as vcd is part of the dvd spec. the ps2 reads it as a dvd.

Strange how it doesn't work properly for me

[Freshman]

I'm pretty sure that adding VCD capabilities would be fairly trivial compared to the total development efforts that went into the PS2.

In my opinion this is rather a strategic decision: After all, even though original VCDs are available in Asia, a large number of people uses this format to backup/exchange movies - and this is something that a company like Sony, who also makes money from producing films, is certainly not interested in.

Freshman

[homerpez]

The ps2 has no mpeg1 decoding software and adding it would not be as simple as tweaking the bios.

This isn't quite so (though I don't know particulars on the PS2 persay)...

Blieve it or not, MPEG-1 IS SUPPORTED under DVD specifications! Somewhere, out there, there are cheap DVD's that are encoded in MPEG-1 at low resolution. The vast majority are not. But if the PS2 is designed to play DVD, then MPEG-1 video shoudl be able to be played as well (so long as the disc is in DVD format).

Useless to those of us who neither own a DVD-burner, nor a PS2.

[thxkid]

Umm spend $300 on a PS2 and it can only play games and store bought DVD's or buy the dreamcast for less than $50, mine was bought new for $40 and not only will it play VCD's but also Divx also and all divx even 5.01. So if playing a VCD is so important on a "game console" save $50 and get a dreamcast, it actually have graphics thats on par or better than the PS2.

[dvddarren]

if thats the case, why wont a vcd put onto dvdr work.

It is totally to spec.

[Branroyal]

At the heart of the playstation 2 and xbox are DVD chips that are made from a 3rd party. as of current all DVD processing chips have mpeg1 decoding capabilities. They will just need to update their firmware via a dvd. all dvd players can do this. please keep your eyes and ears open..... things are about to get really interesting
CS2 ETA July

Will Smash
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[vitualis]

Are you still going on about that? It's pretty hard to stayed "hyped" for this long with no other info apart from "please stay hyped"...

As for the PS2, it can decode MPEG-1 video at VCD specs no problems (not only does it have MPEG-2 hardware decoding, I'm pretty sure that the computing power of the PS2 can do it in software too). However, that doesn't mean that it can play VCDs.

Someone will actually have to design a VCD player for the PS2 before that can happen. Like others, I'm surprised that this still hasn't been achieved.

Regards.

[homerpez]

if thats the case, why wont a vcd put onto dvdr work.

It is totally to spec.

No, it'd have to be in DVD disc format. You would need to take the actual MPEG-1 video file, import into a DVD authoring program, and make a DVD from it (not layed out like a VCD). The medium is not the important part, but the format. You have to make the PS2 think it's an actual DVD (MPEG-1 in DVD format on DVD-R).

I'm not entirely certain that the VCD resolution is supported directly, but I do know from memory that DVD does support MPEG-1 files at a certain res, which I forget.

[dvddarren]

this is what I did, I tried 2 different DVD authoring programs to put 3 mpeg1 video files onto a dvd, I created a menu which worked.

It was totaly dvd standard, but the PS2 didn't like it

[sttroner]

I don´t know, but...

Maybe you´re right, and the makers of the psx2 rely more on earnings from the games, than from the consoles itself... but... as you already said, a vcd capable psx2 could sell more consoles.
more consoles bought = more games sold
Nobody would spend $300 on this expensive vcd player... they also will have to buy a few games.

AND, another idea would have been that sony released another model of psx2 with vcd capabilities for the people who wants it. So, if you want just a game console, you can buy it for $X, but if you want it also to play vcd´s, you can have it for as low as $X9,95!!!

If Nintendo released a dummy POKEMON STADIUM N64 console with an horrible Picachu sculped on the console and with tons of pokemon crap in the box, why we, can´t have our "Sony Playstation 2 Gentleman´s Edition with VCD Player Included?" <--- lol

And my last comment, as a personal thought... i know that sony has it´s revenues from movies, and maybe they didn´t want to support vcd´s with the psx2 on purpose to decrease the massive acceptance of vcd´s... but EVERYBODY is into vcd´s now, it´s just getting stronger every day, and if i had to make my console (speaking as a manufacturer) vcd capable to get a piece of the cake instead of rejecting it and watch everybody else take care even of the leftovers... hum... for the next party i would give a chance to a second thought!....

Rip it...
And
Keep it Burnin´

[vitualis]

We will probably never know why Sony doesn't include S/VCD playback as standard on their consoles.

However, as for Sony not wanting to support VCDs, it should be noted that Sony makes stand-alone VCD players (some of the best in fact).

Regards.

[baker]

It should be possible for an advanced programmer to make a s/vcd player for the ps2 as it has got mpeg 2 cababilitys.

Baker

[BthaEclipse]

I have successfully made dvd-r's that play in the playstation 2 without any mod chip. I made 2 different dvd-rs. First i made a dvd-compliant mpeg2 file, used DVDit PE to author it and burned with Nero 5.5.8.0. This worked fine and movie looked great. The other i was able to just strip 1 video and 1 audio file and used Nero 5.5.8.0. to burn the vobs. It also worked. I did find that brand also matters. I tried the TDK and it doesn't work. But using cheap brands works good. I tried using Prassi Primo DVD to burn and the playstation 2 doesn't like it. Nero seems the way to go.

[dvddarren]

have you tried using mpeg1 files, like from a vcd??

[BthaEclipse]

Yes i have used MPEG1 vcd. Converted the audio of course. I did 2 movies on one dvd-r with room to spare, it was all like 1.7 gigs worth of movies each movie being around 2 hours. Authored it with DVDIT PE and burned with Nero. The main thing seems to be is burning with Nero and the cheap DVD-r disk. Our Compusa has their brand of DVD-r for like $3. They work good, but also got some cheap no-names from the internet that work too.

[dvddarren]

maybe its the dvdit thing then, cus Ive tried both SpruceUp and Maestro, but just compiled the files and burned with Nero 5.8.0.0

All works fine in DVD player and pc, but in ps2, it looks really really bad, veryblocky and really white and pale.

Its not the discs as I use Verbatim, and it plays mpeg2 no problem.

I have also tried on my brothers newer version 5 ps2 and that plays it with the same problem.

[Speed72]

Umm spend $300 on a PS2 and it can only play games and store bought DVD's or buy the dreamcast for less than $50, mine was bought new for $40 and not only will it play VCD's but also Divx also and all divx even 5.01. So if playing a VCD is so important on a "game console" save $50 and get a dreamcast, it actually have graphics thats on par or better than the PS2.

It´s true.. you can play Divx! but at VERY low resolution. And usualy if you have a Divx, you have it at very high res. and the process to reencode the avi takes ages.