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  1. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    The Menu button replaced Chome's tools button, and includes all of the tools button's feature. It wouldn't really make sense to confuse the existing user base further by moving it somewhere else. The design team's only mistake was changing the icon to look like a menu to reflect that they added some functionality that wasn't originally present in the tools menus.
    I guess some mistakes are hard to come back from.

    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    IE is Microsoft's own product, and I know with absolute certainty that their development teams followed a long list of guidelines when creating the interface for IE 8, since it was intended to be part of the OS. How is copying something from the design that Microsoft used for one of its own OS utilities flouting convention, when Microsoft creates the rules that people writing software for their OS are encouraged (but not forced) to follow?
    I don't know where you get that from.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Internet_Explorer#2006_onwards:_new_competition
    "Internet Explorer 7 was also available for download directly from Microsoft's website. Large amounts of the underlying architecture, including the rendering engine and security framework, had been completely overhauled. Partly as a result of security enhancements, the browser became a stand-alone application, rather than integrated with the Windows shell, and was no longer capable of acting as a file browser"

    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    I don't understand why you can't grasp that I want different things from a browser than you do. Firefox literally has no features that I want that Chrome doesn't give me already. In addition, Firefox lacks a feature I want, its own sandbox, but Chrome has one. Chrome is also closer to the minimal interface that I want out of the box. All I need to do is disable the bookmarks bar. With Firefox I have to disable both the top menu bar and bookmarks bar to get it closer to having the minimal that interface I want, and I have do without a desired feature, That is why I have no interest in using Firefox again.
    I don't understand why you can't grasp the distinction between not understanding and not agreeing.
    So you've got to go to the trouble of disabling two bars with Firefox, therefore you use Chrome instead because you only need to disable one. Really??? That's an actual argument for using one browser over another? Really??
    Wanting a sandbox is fair enough, but so far it's the only distinction you've managed to offer between the two browsers which makes sense.

    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    I did have the chance to try a dual monitor set up briefly. I don't need one for what I do. I guess you never thought about it, but one of the Windows desktop's signature features has always been that it allows running multiple programs in re-sizable windows on the same screen. A lot of people who just do general computing make frequent use that feature, including me. Not everyone feels uncomfortable running a program in a re-sizable window if it is still usable that way. Windows even provides these helpful controls known as scroll bars to make it easier.
    Apparently you can't compensate for a few lost pixels by using the scrollbar, but when it comes to squishing a bunch of programs on a single screen, you and the scrollbar are bestus buddies.
    Sometimes I run more than one window on a monitor. Sometimes I tile windows on both monitors. I just don't to do it as often with two monitors because I don't need to, but when I do I don't have to fuss about a program using a few extra pixels or bother the scrollbar incessantly.

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    That will bite you in the butt someday. I got complacent and didn't run a scan for 2 months because I haven't found anything but tracking cookies and some adware installers from free programs I downloaded from respectable websites since before I got a real router over a year ago. I ran a scan yesterday using Malwarebytes and it found a new PUP, identified as a trojan. I have no idea where it came from or when it got on my system. I don't go to the dark corners of the Internet or click on everything I see. The most recent programs I installed tested clean. I run a hardware firewall, a decent free software firewall, a decent free resident antivirus, and a sandboxed browser, and yet something still got in.
    https://helpdesk.malwarebytes.org/entries/23482988-What-are-the-PUP-detections-are-the...ey-be-deleted-
    PUP detections are Potentially Unwanted Programs. These are programs our researchers have found are sometimes added to a system without the user's knowledge or approval.
    The default action for PUP detections is 'Show in results list and do not check for removal."

    Maybe if you'd mentioned what program Malwarebytes deemed unworthy to be installed on your PC and whether you checked what it was and decided it should be removed.....
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    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    I don't understand why you can't grasp the distinction between not understanding and not agreeing.
    So you've got to go to the trouble of disabling two bars with Firefox, therefore you use Chrome instead because you only need to disable one. Really??? That's an actual argument for using one browser over another? Really??
    Wanting a sandbox is fair enough, but so far it's the only distinction you've managed to offer between the two browsers which makes sense.
    This from a guy who would be put off from using Chrome because one of the 6 buttons in its user interface is located where he doesn't think it belongs.

    Our discussion started because you asked why I switched to Chrome. I told you. Unfortunately, it appears that nobody is permitted to want anything that you don't see the point of. I want what I want, and Chrome has it. Firefox doesn't. End of story. I'm done.


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    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    That will bite you in the butt someday. I got complacent and didn't run a scan for 2 months because I haven't found anything but tracking cookies and some adware installers from free programs I downloaded from respectable websites since before I got a real router over a year ago. I ran a scan yesterday using Malwarebytes and it found a new PUP, identified as a trojan. I have no idea where it came from or when it got on my system. I don't go to the dark corners of the Internet or click on everything I see. The most recent programs I installed tested clean. I run a hardware firewall, a decent free software firewall, a decent free resident antivirus, and a sandboxed browser, and yet something still got in.
    https://helpdesk.malwarebytes.org/entries/23482988-What-are-the-PUP-detections-are-the...ey-be-deleted-
    PUP detections are Potentially Unwanted Programs. These are programs our researchers have found are sometimes added to a system without the user's knowledge or approval.
    The default action for PUP detections is 'Show in results list and do not check for removal."

    Maybe if you'd mentioned what program Malwarebytes deemed unworthy to be installed on your PC and whether you checked what it was and decided it should be removed.....
    It was "PUP.Optional.InstallBrain.A" and it was something that should be removed [Edit]especially if I can't determine the source.[End Edit]

    http://www.malwareremovalguides.info/tag/pup-installbrain/
    http://spywareremovers.com/how-to-remove-pup-optional-installbrain-a
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  3. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Our discussion started because you asked why I switched to Chrome. I told you. Unfortunately, it appears that nobody is permitted to want anything that you don't see the point of. I want what I want, and Chrome has it. Firefox doesn't. End of story. I'm done.
    Our discussion started because I asked why has Chrome become so popular. You gave a few reasons you said made it easy for you to switch without actually stating they were why you switched, while I replied I couldn't imagine an extra inch of screen real estate could be the reason for a browser going from zero to the most used in such a short time. I know you switched because it has a sandbox and you imagined it provides more screen area for web pages. I still don't know why it's so popular, but I still doubt either of those reasons are a major factor. You can want whatever you want, but unfortunately it appears nobody is allowed to disagree with you.

    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    It was "PUP.Optional.InstallBrain.A" and it was something that should be removed [Edit]especially if I can't determine the source.[End Edit]
    That's the trouble with anti-malware programs. Often you can't tell whether the warning is legit or a false positive, and despite firewalls, anti-virus, and anti-malware, half the time you're trying to remove something which the anti-infection software should have protected you from the the first place.
    Me.... if I became aware I was infected, I'd just restore the previous Windows image and be done with it. That fixes everything, and often in less time than it takes to clean an infected PC.
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    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    It was "PUP.Optional.InstallBrain.A" and it was something that should be removed [Edit]especially if I can't determine the source.[End Edit]
    That's the trouble with anti-malware programs. Often you can't tell whether the warning is legit or a false positive, and despite firewalls, anti-virus, and anti-malware, half the time you're trying to remove something which the anti-infection software should have protected you from the the first place.
    Me.... if I became aware I was infected, I'd just restore the previous Windows image and be done with it. That fixes everything, and often in less time than it takes to clean an infected PC.
    Sometimes PUPs are included in adware and installed with a users informed consent for benign purposes. In other cases, PUPs have been re-purposed by hackers and installed without a user's knowledge for malicious purposes. The reason why Malwarebytes flags them as suspicious instead of deleting them automatically is that there is no way for it to tell if someone agreed to install them or not, or if they are being used for malicious purposes.

    Security software can only detect and block threats it can recognize, so none of them is perfect because it isn't possible for any of them to block something that they weren't designed to look for. IMO If they can bock most harmful things and prevent the need to perform a time-consuming cleanup or restore an image they are still worth having. [Edit] The lock on my front door isn't perfect either. Someone who is determined to break in can still do it, or I could lock myself out by accident, but that doesn't mean that I'm just as well off with no lock at all .
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