Doom9

[Selur]

strange, I normally get a reply when I contact a moderator via PM, don't know about reported posts.

[El Heggunte]

^ Possibly because you are the author of Hybrid, whereas I'm just an "advanced user"

[Selur]

May be,..
I'm pretty sure I also did get a responds back when I was 'only' a normal user, but did start reading Doom9 when it was only an IRC channel and everyone started to try a. frame grabbing DVDs and b. trying to get the first hacked 'DivX' versions running. (Damn I'm old,... now I remember all the ******* guides&co I've written, the forums I have moderated in,....)

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btw. since this thread is down the hills and I just remember the old days when I bookmarked the Doom9.org mainpage for it news.

Does anyone know a good new site about video compression&editing which also has news about Avisynth, new tools, etc. ?
I kind of miss such a news source. I just stumbled over QSVEnc and I'm wondering if there are a bunch of other tools, which are totally useful and which I always missed since nobody in the main English speaking board doesn't know/post about them.

Cu Selur

[Guest34343]

they DON'T reply to private messages

You expect us to reply to PMs titled like this:

"Fukk 0FF And Die"

That's the title of your last PM sent to me here. I have similar ones at Doom9.

Polite/civil PMs sent to active moderators will certainly be answered.

[Selur]

*gig* okay so may be my title choice is just better *gig*

[Guest34343]

my title choice is just better

Sounds highly plausible.

[El Heggunte]

they DON'T reply to private messages

You expect us to reply to PMs titled like this:

"Fukk 0FF And Die"

That's the title of your last PM sent to me here.

And you can't say you didn't deserve it.
You think you can push your stupid political-correctness as far as you wish, and everyone should happily swallow that.
You also are an expert at re-interpreting the forum rules in an overtly-insane way.
In fact, 2 years ago, you became a proud member of 1984's ThinkPol.

But I was talking about tebasuna51, benwaggoner, Lord_Mulder, avih, etc.

Not about foxyshadis or you

Polite/civil PMs sent to active moderators will certainly be answered.

You speak in the name of yourself and yourself ONLY.

[Guest34343]

And you can't say you didn't deserve it.

I deserve to die because you think I'm a bad moderator. And I'm the insane one. Got it.

[El Heggunte]

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http://videoprocessing.fr.yuku.com/topic/93

http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=553.msg3730#msg3730

http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=2085.msg9682#msg9682

[Clockwork]

Can someone synthesize the whole Doom9/neuron2/ffmpeg deal in one, concise paragraph?

It's Sunday. I'm bored.

[Guest34343]

Here you go:

Rules are strict at Doom9 to ensure a civil, technical, and productive forum without distracting drama. Some people don't like it and act out. If they continue they get suspended and then banned. They then take their drama elsewhere and excoriate the Doom9 forum and the moderator(s).

[Clockwork]

I meant specifically about you and ffmpeg...

[Guest34343]

It's all in the public record, if you want to look for it. Summarizing it in one paragraph would be difficult. I have no interest in rehashing it, and I'm sure people will be here soon enough to excoriate me once again.

There are of course subsequent developments that may affect your views, such as the hijacking/dismemberment of ffmpeg itself, which is a much more significant story. I don't want to comment on any of that but be aware it is nothing to do with me. My only involvement in ffmpeg was to submit a few bug reports. I also worked with Michael N. for a short time when developing DGAVCDec (for which, thank you, Michael!).

I'm sure we can both find better things to do on a lovely Sunday. Personally, I'm off to the swimming pool. Have a great day.

[El Heggunte]

Can someone synthesize the whole Doom9/neuron2/ffmpeg deal in one, concise paragraph?

From http://doom10.org/index.php?topic=553.msg3681#msg3681 :

"Doom9-sama is in love with neuron2-chan,
Doom9-sama will not fire neuron2-chan,
Doom9-sama doesn't care what the world thinks."

[Selur]

Doesn't seem like anybody here cares about netiquette,...

[Guest34343]

I do! And in fairness, there are others here too. You're one.

[PuzZLeR]

Doesn't seem like anybody here cares about netiquette,...

I believe in proper netiquette, however, to a point.

Would you rather read forum posts that have integrity, like they do here?

Or, would you rather read posts from a forum that consists of sheep, constantly berated, and only posting with a priority to please the moderators, and their bias, and keep themselves in check for fear of “strikes”?

I would think the latter, which describes Doom9 accurately, takes precedence over contributing actual productive posts that would be conducive to video progress. This is only one, of many, many reasons, why Doom9 is a useless forum, and does more harm than good to the video community at large if one takes it seriously.

Thank goodness the professionals I work with, several big players in the A/V industry, find that forum a joke, otherwise video progress would be seriously stifled.

[Guest34343]

Doom9 is so insignificant and useless that people:

a) Try to copy it. Case in point: Doom10, where they are lucky to get one or two posts per day.

b) Obsess over it here and elsewhere.

c) Send vile and offensive PMs to the moderators.

[Clockwork]

I thought you were at the pool?

What's the matter? Too much chlorine?

[Guest34343]

I decided to go in the afternoon instead as I am re-partitioning one of my machines and didn't want to leave it in the middle.

Besides, this is too fun.

[PuzZLeR]

Forgot to mention - Happy Dad's day all!

And happy Dad's day even to Doom9. Lambs - be nice to Daddy. He watches, and obsesses, over you. Be grateful.

[hello_hello]

Here you go:

Rules are strict at Doom9 to ensure a civil, technical, and productive forum without distracting drama.

What makes the rules strict? They don't seem anything out of the ordinary to me. What's far from strict is the way the rules are interpreted to suit a moderator's agenda, and I'm pretty sure if you looked up "distracting drama" in a dictionary, you'd find unnecessarily quizzing posters regarding the origins of their files would fit the definition.

Drama queens don't like it and act out. If they continue they get suspended and then banned. They then take their drama elsewhere and excoriate the Doom9 forum and the moderator(s).

If you ask me, most of the drama queening originates from the moderating. "Acting out" sounds like moderator speak for "having an opinion".
I don't try to help others by answering questions at doom9 much any more. I've had the desire moderated away, so I post here instead. I contribute to a couple of software support threads, but aside from that.....
There's not much activity at doom9 these days anyway.

I've submitted well over 2000 posts at VideoHelp, yet not once have I had an interaction with a moderator. Well apart from discussing the thread topic a few times, but other than that..... the same applies to most other forums I post in.

Aside from there being a lot more activity here, VideoHelp really isn't all that different to doom9. Most of the time questions are asked and answered and threads stay on topic. Now and then the discussion evolves a little but unlike doom9 it doesn't immediately invoke a Chicken Little response from a moderator.
I finally had the desire to help others at doom9 moderated out of me when I advised another poster to start a new thread because we were wandering off topic (a little). That put the moderating into drama-queen mode, my post was deleted and I was given a strike. Apparently you can't refer to the "off-topic police" at doom9 when advising someone to start a new thread unless you're happy for a mod to invent a new and exciting rule interpretation in order to make a production out of it. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1653257

Of course I couldn't even submit this post at doom9. That's very probably why when the subject of doom9 comes up in another forum, posters invariably use it to "vent".

Doom9 is so insignificant and useless that people:

a) Try to copy it. Case in point: Doom10, where they are lucky to get one or two posts per day.

Take the software support threads away from doom9 and wouldn't you be left with a similar amount of inactivity?

b) Obsess over it here and elsewhere.

I think you're confusing obsession with the ability to express an opinion.

[El Heggunte]

Forgot to mention - Happy Dad's day all!

Thanks --- even though I have no children, and I live in a country where Dad's Day == the 2nd Sunday of August

[hello_hello]

Rules are strict at Doom9 to ensure a civil, technical, and productive forum without distracting drama.

Speaking of "distracting drama", an alternative definition would have to be the moderation of a forum to enforce a "don't ask what's best" rule..... wouldn't it?

Is the "don't ask what's best" rule at doom9 the silliest forum rule in existence or is it just me?
Here at VideoHelp posters can ask what's best and members reply citing the software they prefer or the software they think would be best for the job etc. Apparently VideoHelp members are all grown up and can reply to a "what's best" question without it becoming a competition or an argument, and there's no need for the distracting drama required to enforce the rule....
Do you think doom9 members will ever reach a similar level of maturity?

[ricardouk]

I've been a member of both forums since 2005 and both have helped me a lot and perhaps im exagerating but i think people are making a "thunderstorm in a cup", if the rules say i need to state teh source of my video i'll say "i have a sample from this dvd i bought an so on...." i wouldnt start by saying "here's a sample from this video".

been a regular (almost daily) visitor to both forums, "contributed" to both and in my opinion at the time DS was getting to "c.o.c.k.y", being the creator/developer of a popular video codec doesnt give you the right to despize other peoples opinions, i for instance was happy when he left, if a newbie posted something he was harsh to them when answering.

if the rules at doom9 say i cant ask for what is best etc etc i will refrase my question, if im allowed to ask that here i will...i dont see any problem... if i know i cant drink alcohol and drive i wont drink it before driving, why all the fuss about the rules?

Sorry if i offended anyone

[El Heggunte]

why all the fuss about the rules?

Speaking in the name of myself only.....

The problem is not the rules, the problem is someone named D.G.

In 2009, in a private message, I told him something like "Yes, Master".
He struck me because he THOUGHT I was mocking him --- and I wasn't.

On the other hand, you can find several posts where other members also called him "Master", BUT
those members were not warned, struck, suspended, or had their posts edited.

Also, why the useless posts from SOME members are not edited/deleted, even though they are
impertinent / silly / useless / trollish (and therefore violate doom9's rule 11)



The post by DarrellS was deleted, but the "very-useful" post by Kurtnoise still is there.

[hello_hello]

I've been a member of both forums since 2005 and both have helped me a lot and perhaps im exagerating but i think people are making a "thunderstorm in a cup", if the rules say i need to state teh source of my video i'll say "i have a sample from this dvd i bought an so on...." i wouldnt start by saying "here's a sample from this video".

I think there's probably some sort of "storm in a teacup" involved at times, but chances are it'll be moderated anyway.

As far as the "don't ask what's best" rule goes, the only fuss seems to be a consistent need to edit thread titles/posts, and to remind new members the rule exists, given many don't seem to be aware of it. The actual question "what's best" itself seems not to cause any problem. Well it doesn't at VideoHelp. I think the rule causes more fuss than it's designed to prevent.

The rules don't say you need to state the source of your video. They say you can't ask for help with illegal/downloaded files. The way I read the stickie which explains the rule, as long as there's nothing in a post which indicates the video in question may have been downloaded or is illegal, then it's fine to ask for help. The need to quiz posters when there's nothing to indicate their files are downloaded is a mystery to me.

Given there's a plathora of illegal video out there which includes links to doom9 it's all a little ironic anyway. It may apply to more than one encoding program, and off the top of my head I think it applies to Avidemux (maybe just older versions, and I could be remembering wrong), but there's at least one encoding program which by default added a doom9 thread link to the video title, and it's been used to encode plenty of illegally distributed video.

[ricardouk]

In 2009, in a private message, I told him something like "Yes, Master".
He struck me because he THOUGHT I was mocking him --- and I wasn't.

On the other hand, you can find several posts where other members also called him "Master", BUT
those members were not warned, struck, suspended, or had their posts edited.

dont know wheter it was the case or not but i had problems both here and at doom9 because both of them have users wich dont have english as their first language.

The rules don't say you need to state the source of your video. They say you can't ask for help with illegal/downloaded files. The way I read the stickie which explains the rule, as long as there's nothing in a post which indicates the video in question may have been downloaded or is illegal, then it's fine to ask for help. The need to quiz posters when there's nothing to indicate their files are downloaded is a mystery to me.

For example a first time user goes and post: "how do i edit this video i downloaded from the web? heres a sample", the rules say the user should be "stonewalled" but Neuron2 asks: "where did you downloaded etc" if the user says "i downloaded from youtube vevo channel" he will say he cant ask for help,,, but if he says "oh its a open source movie from this website" he will say:"ok thats fine, do this and that.

My point....if he didnt ask... i, you and others wouldnt help because its against the rules to help with downloaded material...everybody wins.

[vhelp]

as i recall, back in the good old days of d9, some 2001-2003'ish, it was a place to find many unique and hard-to-find answers...a forum board full of adventurous hard-core avisynth and programming answers, tips and techniques, which included endless discussions in algorithms of all sorts, and the people. and there were many common (and smart) members in those discussions, and who used to hang out there all the time. and you just knew who would show up to add to the repository of knowledge there. they, were people who made what doom9 became back in that golden era. in those days, the forum rules were not over inforced, if at all, though not counting the occasionals. there was no fear of moderators, such as were described in this discussion. and, there were many active moderators at the time. it was a place where everyone wanted to be, imo. but that all changed shortly thereafter.

iirc, it was not until sometime in 2004/05 that the rules started running selectively on the members, be it due to their deminer or intelligence or some other dislikeable reason. you could not help but feel like you are being targeted for strikes. well, that was the feeling i felt back then. and at times you could even tell who the next person was gonna be struck. it wasn't so much a matter of the rules, but rather how much you could structure the language to show that a rule(s) were violated.

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The post by DarrellS was deleted, but the "very-useful" post by Kurtnoise still is there.

and that was clear and deliberate--reponses like that one (above, post # 116) are made to humiliate the person. i can't help but think that someone got a pat on the back for it, too. and that is how sides of preferential treatment or posterity had formed over there over the years. this is just one of some of the examples the people are talking about here. it is not hard to see that! all this leaves a lingering bad taste for others to see. its a form of mocking as well.

anyway. i think that once you receive your first strike, then you will realize where you stand with the forum board, and consiquentually feel the same way everyone else here feels.



currently, its a ghost town over there! nothing but quietness except for the cobb webs and rolling tumbelweeds that are patrolling the area for any rule breakers or violators! the majority of d9 members have moved over here.

and so.. although VH has always been the place to be, clearly it is the only place to be!

[deadrats]

Doom9 is so insignificant and useless that people:

a) Try to copy it. Case in point: Doom10, where they are lucky to get one or two posts per day.

b) Obsess over it here and elsewhere.

c) Send vile and offensive PMs to the moderators.

to address your points:

1) in all fairness, and i can't stand DS but you drove him darkness to create that forum when you had suspended him. you did do that didn't you, when the two of you got into it over that half-assed quasi-gpu powered BS software that you created, right? but i did think it was lame of him to name it doom10 and laughed and laughed at him over in his forum about how long it must have taken him to come up with that name and about being so arrogant to believe that people would follow his ass to a new forum he created.

2) no one "obsesses" about it, someone asked if doom9 was down and people replied, then you showed your virtual face and decided to be your usual self and i must say i'm glad that i'm not the only one with a low opinion of you and doom9, evidently you and the general tone of that forum has struck a nerve with quite a few people. i for one find it hilarious that you feel the need to defend that forum and your actions there in this forum. but that you suck as a mod, there's no question, you're the classic example of a little man that will never accomplish anything of true significance in your life, you were given a hint of authority and have abused it to your hearts content. news flash for you, abusing some virtual power in a virtual society is no substitute for being a loser.

3) you know what's worse than sending "vile and offensive PMs to the moderators"? being such an ass that you suspend or ban someone then send them a pm telling them you have done so and why when they can't log back into the forum to read the pm; that takes an imbecile of incredible proportions.

btw, how are sales of that software of yours going? i bet you must be rolling in hundreds and hundreds of loose change by now.