Doom9

[johns0]

Whats doom9?

[El Heggunte]

^ It's a videogame from the 8-bit era, according to Walter Nebicher

[johns0]

Oh!That doom9,stop playing the game when the makers where getting arrogant as to being all knowing video gurus.

[Selur]

Just out of curiosity: When did Doom9 (the person) get arrogant?
(most folks simply don't like their rules and/or the moderators over there)

[johns0]

Doom9 get arrogant when you tell them something that they don't agree with it,i decided not to ever go there again,maybe it was a crappy moderator.

[Selur]

Okay, you are not speaking of the person Doom9,..

[johns0]

The forum doom9.

[Guest34343]

Just out of curiosity: When did Doom9 (the person) get arrogant?
(most folks simply don't like their rules and/or the moderators over there)

I think a small qualification is needed here to avoid giving the wrong impression:

"most folks that do not like Doom9 simply don't like their rules and/or the moderators over there"

Doom9 has thousands of satisfied users and the developers of many significant tools hang out there. Yes, the rules are pretty strict and they are enforced. This is the main reason that the technical signal-to-noise ratio is very high there. VideoHelp is quite a bit more free-wheeling. Different strokes for different folks and options are always good to have. May both forums live long and prosper.

[Guest34343]

Doom9 get arrogant when you tell them something that they don't agree with it,i decided not to ever go there again,maybe it was a crappy moderator.

Did you personally have any bad experiences there? I reviewed your posting history and didn't see anything problematic. You never got any strikes and never any posts moved to Thread Moderation. I didn't see any arrogance in response to any of your posts.

Care to elaborate on the arrogance you claim? Maybe you refer to posts like this?

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/283178-Playback-prohibited-by-area-limitations?p=23...=1#post2327016

[fritzi93]

I've been a member there for quite a while. I don't recall ever posting.

1) If you're not fully up to speed with those guys, you're gonna be ignored at best. One has only to read a few threads to see that. Noobish questions are not answered. That's okay, I get the signal to noise ratio analogy.

2) Nevertheless, I can find what I'm looking for with a bit of patience. (Except for the BDEdit thread. )
I look in from time to time on the BDRB thread, for instance.

I wouldn't want to see Doom9 disappear. It is what it is.

[Guest34343]

1) If you're not fully up to speed with those guys, you're gonna be ignored at best. One has only to read a few threads to see that. Noobish questions are not answered. That's okay, I get the signal to noise ratio analogy.

Doom9 has a dedicated forum for Newbies, in which the members are generally kind and patient and do their best to help. But you are right, if you are a total noob and you go post noobiness in a hard-core technical thread, you may be ignored. Moderators sometimes just move such posts to the Newbies forum, although that has downsides because some people find that offensive. I've never seen any outright nastiness to noobs, and in any case, nastiness would be removed by the moderators.

[jman98]

I was going to stay out, but neuron2's continual posts have made me change my mind. Really, your constant stream of defensive posts is just becoming sad and pathetic.

Here's the real truth about what goes on at Doom9. Yes, sometimes they are kind to newbies. But not always. No, outright nastiness is not always removed or at least it wasn't in the past. Often they will simply ignore newbies. Sure, we have threads that don't get answered, but when I used to go to Doom9 and sometimes post there, it was a lot more common there than here. So while there may not be a lot of outright nastiness, they just simply resort to the good old passive-aggressive approach of ignoring you.

What really turned me off and led to me giving up on the site years ago was the constant circle jerk that went around for BD-Rebuilder. See the author originally only let his "friends" use it. It wasn't originally available to the unwashed masses like most of us here. The official forum for it consisted of almost nothing but posts of people saying how great the program was and how cool it was that they got to use it and were the cool kids and well, it sure must suck to not be cool enough to get to use it. Unless things have changed recently, the official forum for it was mostly answered by Jdobbs' sycophantic followers whose standard response to any problem is to blame the user for being an idiot because BD-RB is just perfect and cannot fail. Jdobbs himself seems OK, but his supporters suck. Want to find out exactly how "nice" Doom9 users are? I'll let you know a sure fail approach to get nasty, unhelpful answers. See, one of the dirty little secrets about BD-RB is that it usually can't handle interlaced VC-1 at all. Not at all. A few times it gets lucky and can do something with it, but usually, not. Fortunately interlaced VC-1 is not common, but it exists. Both Battlestar Galactica and the US version of The Office have used it for special features on BluRay. All you need to do is post to Doom9 about one of the discs that BD-RB can't handle that uses interlaced VC-1 and the vitriol will start. Guaranteed.

neuron2 is a perfect example of why I don't like Doom9. It's not rational to spend your time going through previous posts of members here like johns0 just to see if you can find an inconsistency in what they say. Why do you even care? You're nuts, man.

[Selur]

I was going to stay out, but neuron2's continual posts have made me change my mind. Really, your constant stream of defensive posts is just becoming sad and pathetic.

as is the 'Doom9 forum bashing' *gig*

[Guest34343]

See, one of the dirty little secrets about BD-RB is that it usually can't handle interlaced VC-1 at all. Not at all. A few times it gets lucky and can do something with it, but usually, not. Fortunately interlaced VC-1 is not common, but it exists.

Actually, the reason for that is not due to BDRB per se, but rather, it is determined by which decoder you configure to be used. BDRB supports my DGDecNV, for example, which perfectly supports interlaced VC-1. Also now, according to Atak_Snajpera's post below, ffmpeg can reliably decode interlaced VC-1. For the record, BDRB is an awesome tool with many thousands of satisfied users. It is not at all unusual for tools to undergo closed beta testing in their early stages. Possibly your exclusion from the closed beta has embittered you? Any chance you could let me know your handle at Doom9 so I can check the realities? Thank you.

Your rhetoric such as "dirty little secrets" really gives you away. And I will always counter misinformation and slander with truth where I am able to do so.

[Atak_Snajpera]

well I thought that support for interlaced vc-1 is already (finally) implemented in ffmpeg.

[Guest34343]

well I thought that support for interlaced vc-1 is already (finally) implemented in ffmpeg.

Could well be. I haven't been following ffmpeg. If it is so, then well done! As I said it is good to have options. I have edited my post appropriately. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[deadrats]

i was going to stay out of this as well, but since neuron2 aka Doug (that is your name, isn't it?) seems hell bent on making doom9 seem like some panacea, i'm going to offer this eye opener: i think that when people say they don't like the moderation at the d9 forum, they specifically mean missing-neuron drop-a-duce. he was the only moderator over there that acted like a little punk, would engage in a debate and when he started to lose the debate or couldn't think of an answer he would close the thread, delete posts, suspend or ban.

then you had guys like that guy with the word "shark" in his name or Lady Mulder, who could be complete dicks at the drop of a hat and the general attitude that permeated the forum that basically amounted to kissing the x264 developers' asses on a regular basis. hell it's almost a forum rule that if you ask a x264 question it has to include the phrase "i do think x264 is the best encoder out there", it's as if you don't include some praise of x264 in any question related to that encoder then it may be perceived as a a criticism and all the x264 worshipers will fall all over themselves attacking you.

that forum is a waste of bandwidth.

[El Heggunte]

One thing is sure: the INTERPRETATION of the forum rules @ doom9.org does depend on the phase of the moon and on various random factors as well.....

Also, it does appear their rule #17 was created especifically for "protecting" their most active moderator......

Besides, it does appear some members ARE *more equal* than others I mean, they can write trollish/useless posts, and nothing happens to them, whereas some of the "average" members may receive strikes and have their posts deleted, because THE moderator

a) THINKS the non-special members violated rule #4 or/and rule#11, or

b) simply doesn't like them, and uses the rules above as a rationalization <= clicky.

[bendixG15]

This thread is ridiculous, why is it allowed to continue ?

[hello_hello]

This thread is ridiculous, why is it allowed to continue ?

Because it's not at doom9!

If it was, rule interpretation would be at it's most flexible, posts would have been edited, warnings issued, strikes handed out......

At least at VideoHelp members are permitted to have an opinion.

[bendixG15]

This thread is ridiculous, why is it allowed to continue ?

Because it's not at doom9!

If you want to complain about Doom9, then go over there and complain.

Bitching here just sounds like a bunch of grammar school kids crying in the playground.

I'm done.

[Baldrick]

This thread is ridiculous, why is it allowed to continue ?

Everything is allowed here....almost.

But please try avoid calling each other dicks.

[El Heggunte]

If you want to complain about Doom9, then go over there and complain.

Been there, done that, confirmed that it doesn't work.

But the main problem IMHO is this --- in spite of its moderation issues, the Doom9 forum is a valuable knowledgebase, BUT

the developers of Avisynth, LAV Filters, eac3to, etc., appear to believe

a) it doesn't need to be mirrored , and

b) it is "immortal"

[hello_hello]

If you want to complain about Doom9, then go over there and complain.

I wasn't complaining. I answered your question.

I'm done.

And how old are you?

[Selur]

btw. doom9 forum is back online today,...

[HemLok]

I've been a member of Doom9 since 2007 under a different username. It's an extremely useful resource as is VideoHelp. In any online community you will run across people that you just don't like and things you don't agree with. It happens everywhere. It happens in the real world, too. There are [some] members over on Doom9 that rub me the wrong way. There are [some] members of VideoHelp that rub me the wrong way. That's life, isn't it? I choose to take the high road.

It's good that Doom9 back up and running.

[jdobbs]

I was going to stay out, but neuron2's continual posts have made me change my mind. Really, your constant stream of defensive posts is just becoming sad and pathetic.

Here's the real truth about what goes on at Doom9. Yes, sometimes they are kind to newbies. But not always. No, outright nastiness is not always removed or at least it wasn't in the past. Often they will simply ignore newbies. Sure, we have threads that don't get answered, but when I used to go to Doom9 and sometimes post there, it was a lot more common there than here. So while there may not be a lot of outright nastiness, they just simply resort to the good old passive-aggressive approach of ignoring you.

What really turned me off and led to me giving up on the site years ago was the constant circle jerk that went around for BD-Rebuilder. See the author originally only let his "friends" use it. It wasn't originally available to the unwashed masses like most of us here. The official forum for it consisted of almost nothing but posts of people saying how great the program was and how cool it was that they got to use it and were the cool kids and well, it sure must suck to not be cool enough to get to use it. Unless things have changed recently, the official forum for it was mostly answered by Jdobbs' sycophantic followers whose standard response to any problem is to blame the user for being an idiot because BD-RB is just perfect and cannot fail. Jdobbs himself seems OK, but his supporters suck. Want to find out exactly how "nice" Doom9 users are? I'll let you know a sure fail approach to get nasty, unhelpful answers. See, one of the dirty little secrets about BD-RB is that it usually can't handle interlaced VC-1 at all. Not at all. A few times it gets lucky and can do something with it, but usually, not. Fortunately interlaced VC-1 is not common, but it exists. Both Battlestar Galactica and the US version of The Office have used it for special features on BluRay. All you need to do is post to Doom9 about one of the discs that BD-RB can't handle that uses interlaced VC-1 and the vitriol will start. Guaranteed.

neuron2 is a perfect example of why I don't like Doom9. It's not rational to spend your time going through previous posts of members here like johns0 just to see if you can find an inconsistency in what they say. Why do you even care? You're nuts, man.

I don't know where you get your information. -- but since I am the author of BD-Rebuilder I can tell you you are completely wrong. There has never been a closed beta. I can also say that it works fine with interlaced VC-1. If you are having issues it's easy to post a question - and usually I answer it myself.

As for "dirty little secrets" -- there are none. BD-RB is free and is there specifically for the use of the "unwashed masses" -- people like me.

[mike20021969]

I don't know where you get your information. -- but since I am the author of BD-Rebuilder I can tell you you are completely wrong. There has never been a closed beta.

It was neuron2 who suggested that, not jman98.

Possibly your exclusion from the closed beta has embittered you?

[HemLok]

I was going to stay out, but neuron2's continual posts have made me change my mind. Really, your constant stream of defensive posts is just becoming sad and pathetic.

Here's the real truth about what goes on at Doom9. Yes, sometimes they are kind to newbies. But not always. No, outright nastiness is not always removed or at least it wasn't in the past. Often they will simply ignore newbies. Sure, we have threads that don't get answered, but when I used to go to Doom9 and sometimes post there, it was a lot more common there than here. So while there may not be a lot of outright nastiness, they just simply resort to the good old passive-aggressive approach of ignoring you.

What really turned me off and led to me giving up on the site years ago was the constant circle jerk that went around for BD-Rebuilder. See the author originally only let his "friends" use it. It wasn't originally available to the unwashed masses like most of us here. The official forum for it consisted of almost nothing but posts of people saying how great the program was and how cool it was that they got to use it and were the cool kids and well, it sure must suck to not be cool enough to get to use it. Unless things have changed recently, the official forum for it was mostly answered by Jdobbs' sycophantic followers whose standard response to any problem is to blame the user for being an idiot because BD-RB is just perfect and cannot fail. Jdobbs himself seems OK, but his supporters suck. Want to find out exactly how "nice" Doom9 users are? I'll let you know a sure fail approach to get nasty, unhelpful answers. See, one of the dirty little secrets about BD-RB is that it usually can't handle interlaced VC-1 at all. Not at all. A few times it gets lucky and can do something with it, but usually, not. Fortunately interlaced VC-1 is not common, but it exists. Both Battlestar Galactica and the US version of The Office have used it for special features on BluRay. All you need to do is post to Doom9 about one of the discs that BD-RB can't handle that uses interlaced VC-1 and the vitriol will start. Guaranteed.

neuron2 is a perfect example of why I don't like Doom9. It's not rational to spend your time going through previous posts of members here like johns0 just to see if you can find an inconsistency in what they say. Why do you even care? You're nuts, man.

I have no intention of arguing but I have a few points to make:

1. I've used BD Rebuilder since I first saw it released on Doom9. I believe that was v0.17.9. I'm definitely not special or an insider. It was available so I tried and it am still using it. If there were earlier versions then okay but given the early state it was in I'm not sure if a huge release would have been a great idea.
2. BD Rebuilder normally does a great job. It's lightyears better than anything else out there whose developers require you to buy.
3. Sure there may be issues now and then with BD Rebuilder that jdobbs needs to address and he does but, um, doesn't that happen with all software?
4. People who are supportive of jdobbs suck? How exactly is that rational?
5. You say it's not rational for a person to offer verifiable proof to disprove a false statement? Some people have very good memories and quickly finding an old post/thread can take less than a minute to accomplish. Heck, sometimes it can take 2 seconds. Nonetheless, it's not rational to disprove a falsehood but it's rational to state one?

You are certainly entitled to your opinions and dislike for Doom9 and BD Rebuilder but the bigger problem and confusing one is the inaccuracy of statements and your very evident anger aimed toward both.

Enjoy your day.

[deadrats]

btw. doom9 forum is back online today,...

thank God!!! i was on my way to jump off a bridge and i thought to myself "self, why don't you check to see if doom9 is up and running". lucky for me it's up so it saves me the suicide bid but i think i will celebrate by rubbing one off.

i honestly don't know what i would do if doom9 was down for good, cry a river, drink heavily, sniff some glue or maybe not register the now abandoned doom9 name and turn it into a gay porn site.

the possibilities are endless.