DVDFab can Handle Cinavia Protection?

[devilcoelhodog]

Hello, dear all.

DVDFab can handle Cinavia protection?


---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia


Are there any other programs that can do it properly nowadays?


Thanks.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

[jman98]

Short answer - no.

You may wish to look at this lengthy thread:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/353091-How-to-remove-Cinavia-protection

DVD Ranger has a way it claims can remove Cinavia. However, it has to make changes to the audio to remove Cinavia and those changes are destructive. Many people here would not like the final audio output after Cinavia has been removed. Nobody has yet found a way to remove it that is not destructive to the original audio.

AnyDVD and DVDFab have workarounds. AnyDVD can allow Cinavia protected copies to play on a PC with a software BluRay playing program, but standalone players that recognize Cinavia will not play these discs. DVDFab has a workaround that may not even work any more if the discs are played in standalone player - I am not sure about this. Neither AnyDVD nor DVDFab can actually remove Cinavia. They just had different ways to allow disc copies to play that still contain Cinavia.

[devilcoelhodog]

@ jman98 , thanks for reply!

but standalone players that recognize Cinavia

Maybe we must modify some physical components from our standalone players, replacing them for some "neutral / non-activated" cinavia ones?


I mean: just like "jail break" the standalone players similar to PlayStation or other games consoles? Or, at least, make Cinavia "mute" or "neutral", non-activated, when we insert the disc on the standalone players.

Yes, I mean to modify / replace some components for others that allow us to run the disc without any problems.


It's possible? Maybe someone / some company could create any physical device that allow this? Well, it'll be illegal in many places. And we have hundreds different blu-ray models to manage and create one "universal"device that could handle all that models will be hard.


Thanks.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

[Steve(MS)]

The far easier solution is to buy a device/player that doesn't have the blu-ray/cinavia license.
There are some current blu-ray players that will play usb blu-ray files that contain cinavia yet will trigger the cinavia when a backup disc is played.

[jman98]

I have not heard of anybody providing modified BluRay components to defeat Cinavia.

Steve(MS)'s well meaning suggestion is actually not all that great as it's been some months since Cinavia detection and support became mandatory on ALL BluRay players that are produced. Older players that don't detect Cinavia cannot ever be firmware updated or they may have Cinavia detection added to them. Eventually those players will die. What do you do then?

Streaming media players like the Western Digital models do not detect Cinavia, so ripping the BluRay and converting it to MKV and playing on such media players is one way around the problem. The truth is that most BluRay discs do not use Cinavia. Sony uses it more than anybody else and other studios use it very little. Even Disney, who is one of the most paranoid of all the Hollywood studios about copying, has only been reported to have used Cinavia on one title that I know about, Frankenweenie.

[devilcoelhodog]

...Cinavia detection and support became mandatory on ALL BluRay players that are produced...

It seems that Sony is the main company to use Cinavia on their discs / devices.


But, if the situation gets worse and other companies follow Sony's example: what will happen then?


I have a doubt: just like crackers / hackers do against softwares, using reverse engineering and other specifical knowledge to defeat / discover ways to bypass protections, the same could be done concerning Cinavia devices, just like standalone players and all their logical / software managing engines?


I mean: it will be possible someone who has the proper knowledge reverse engineer standalone players, see how it works inside the machine and maybe create some physical devices ( and /or some program that can handle Cinavia via logical ways ) that can bypass the Cinavia?


Well, It seems that nobody create any hardware device to bypass Cinavia. But, who knows, in next future...


Thanks for the tips.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

[Steve(MS)]

...Cinavia detection and support became mandatory on ALL BluRay players that are produced...

It seems that Sony is the main company to use Cinavia on their discs / devices.


But, if the situation gets worse and other companies follow Sony's example: what will happen then?


I have a doubt: just like crackers / hackers do against softwares, using reverse engineering and other specifical knowledge to defeat / discover ways to bypass protections, the same could be done concerning Cinavia devices, just like standalone players and all their logical / software managing engines?

Well, It seems that nobody create any hardware device to bypass Cinavia. But, who knows, in next future...


Thanks for the tips.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

johner, perhaps jman misunderstood my reply, I'll try to explain a little better.
There are a lot of hardware playback media players that will play the main movie blu-ray backup.
For instance, I bought a lg bpm33 (cheapo) blu-ray player.
Now if I make a backup blu-ray disc that contains cinavia, you better bet the cinavia screen will come up and mute the audio.
But if I take that same movie (main movie only) file on an external hard drive and connect it to this blu-ray player, it will happily play
m2ts movie file all the way through without stopping...in other words, as long as it isn't on a blu-ray disc and rather on a file...it doesn't stop play.
Though it seems I have read that Sonys and Samsung blu-ray players won't play cinavia back from usb files....

Also, one can play the main movie cinavia from unlicensed computer media players.

There are tv inboard media players that will play blu-ray files...although they may be picky about what file extensions they like or what audio formats they like.

Of course, already mentioned are the media players such as the western digital ones....as well as other brands.

So my main point is as long as one isn't tied to a physical disc backup, there are plenty of devices that will play blu-ray and will ignore cinavia.
The one problem that some will point to is if they want to have the blu-ray menu material....which I and many others generally don't care for to start with.

[hello_hello]

...Cinavia detection and support became mandatory on ALL BluRay players that are produced...

It seems that Sony is the main company to use Cinavia on their discs / devices.


But, if the situation gets worse and other companies follow Sony's example: what will happen then?

Cinavia was developed by a company called Verance. It's now included as part of AACS licensing agreement.... the copy protection used by Bluray players.

Here's what Wikipedia says Verance get paid for the use of Cinavia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia#Licensing
As of March 2012 these licence costs due to Verance were $10,000–$300,000 per manufacturer of Blu-ray players—for the rights to embed the Cinavia detection system—plus additional software costs for the implementation itself.

I manufacture a media player. First I need to decide to include a copy protection in my player which consumers don't want, no doubt adversely effecting sales, and as a result I'll be paying a considerable sum of money to Verance for the privilege. Unless I'm legally forced to do so, I can't imagine why I'd want to do either.

[jman98]

Nobody who makes a media player that does not officially support BD playback, such as Western Digital, wants to waste their money paying the fee to Verance. This is why all the people who get their panties in a wad about having to buy older pre-Cinavia players are wasting their time and money. Media player manufacturers can't be forced to pay the fee as long as they don't officially support BD playback so simply converting Cinavia protected rips to MKV and playing on media players is a great way around it. We've also had recent reports that BD rips in BD format will play without Cinavia detection when played from an external device like a hard drive on some BD players that do support Cinavia. I don't really understand why so many people are so deeply bothered by Cinavia when workarounds like those exist and will continue to exist and most BD discs don't use it anyway. Plus, it's not like if you - gasp! - buy the BD instead of trying to copy it that it won't work in a Cinavia enabled player.

[razorwindmo46]

Short answer - no.

You may wish to look at this lengthy thread:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/353091-How-to-remove-Cinavia-protection

DVD Ranger has a way it claims can remove Cinavia. However, it has to make changes to the audio to remove Cinavia and those changes are destructive. Many people here would not like the final audio output after Cinavia has been removed. Nobody has yet found a way to remove it that is not destructive to the original audio.

AnyDVD and DVDFab have workarounds. AnyDVD can allow Cinavia protected copies to play on a PC with a software BluRay playing program, but standalone players that recognize Cinavia will not play these discs. DVDFab has a workaround that may not even work any more if the discs are played in standalone player - I am not sure about this. Neither AnyDVD nor DVDFab can actually remove Cinavia. They just had different ways to allow disc copies to play that still contain Cinavia.

On Nov. 12, 2013, a user by the name Cienoway claims to have invented a simple method to cleanly remove Cinavia with no noticeable audio quality degradation.[16] On Nov. 24, 2013, someone by the name MacroVision3500 confirmed that the Cinavia break indeed works.[17] Cienoway also provided two 30 minutes audio clips for people to confirm, a cinavia embedded original[18] and a Cinavia removed new file.[19]

[MindController]

On Nov. 12, 2013, a user by the name Cienoway claims to have invented a simple method to cleanly remove Cinavia with no noticeable audio quality degradation.[16] On Nov. 24, 2013, someone by the name MacroVision3500 confirmed that the Cinavia break indeed works.[17] Cienoway also provided two 30 minutes audio clips for people to confirm, a cinavia embedded original[18] and a Cinavia removed new file.[19]

Are you a bot or what? This is the exact same reply you gave in https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/353091-How-to-remove-Cinavia-protection/page9

[MannyMark]

I'am very frustrated about DVDFab. I purchased the license for two years but DVDFab cannot remove Cinavia.
I also own AnyDVD but it seems that AnyDVD just disable Cinavia on the computer where it is installed.

So I checked out DVD-Ranger, I downloaded the Utility and it works. I do not know why people have problems with the
audio, it is AC3 6 Channel after removing Cinavia, so it is ok for me and my sound system. The only bad issues is that they
do not have database files for all movies and 3D.

But for me, as a DVFab user, it works.

[jman98]

If you are OK with how DVD-Rangers works to "remove" Cinavia, that's OK. But it's also very much OK that many of us here have major problems with their half-assed "solution".

The audio that you have now is WORSE than the original audio. If you can't tell, then that's OK. Frankly, it's a not a problem to me as I don't know you, I'm not going over to your house, and if it works for you then good. The fact that the audio is worse and we have people here who CAN tell the difference should not be a problem for you either.

[MannyMark]

As I answered in the other thread, the audio quality I get is really good. I think you have tested an earlier version else I cannot explain your post.

[Noahtuck]

As I answered in the other thread, the audio quality I get is really good. I think you have tested an earlier version else I cannot explain your post.

And deaf people who listen to music with earbuds on an Ipod think 128kbps MP3's sound great!!

[MannyMark]

I see, here in this forum this Cinavia removing solution has no friends. In my mind the arguments are very flat.

As an example, my main LG speaker system has 5 speaker and a subwoofer. On this system the sound is very good. In the bedroom I have a 2 speaker system with subwoofer. So the audio, is forced downmixed by this system.

So we play it further. What alternative I have? Yes, I can build an home cinema pc with Windows and AnyDVD HD to disable Cinavia. Fine, then I have to do this in all rooms. But I can get a Blu-ray player for 50 bucks at Amazon. Also what about friends? I copy now a Blu-ray and take it with me to a friend to watch it there. He has a PS3 or Blu-ray player, no HCPC with high end audio system. What I get, silence after 20 minutes.

Hmm, in my case, I do not have much money and cannot install in every room an HCPC with AnyDVD licenses and high end audio system. So I have to think that you are all rich here. But if you are rich, why you copy Blu-ray?

This people got my respect because it works and it works with my not audiophile ears. By the way, I see all this software and all database files on all torrent sites with high download numbers. So it seems to be very hot.

[El Heggunte]

So we play it further. What alternative I have?

Well, it depends Cinavia was designed for the end-user to have NO "alternative".
But if you feel the pseudo-solutions available thus far are OK for you, so be it.
Just accept the fact that not everybody has ears as "noise-tolerant" as yours.

[Steve(MS)]

So we play it further. What alternative I have? Yes, I can build an home cinema pc with Windows and AnyDVD HD to disable Cinavia. Fine, then I have to do this in all rooms. But I can get a Blu-ray player for 50 bucks at Amazon. Also what about friends? I copy now a Blu-ray and take it with me to a friend to watch it there. He has a PS3 or Blu-ray player, no HCPC with high end audio system. What I get, silence after 20 minutes.

Hmm, in my case, I do not have much money and cannot install in every room an HCPC with AnyDVD licenses and high end audio system. So I have to think that you are all rich here. But if you are rich, why you copy Blu-ray?

This people got my respect because it works and it works with my not audiophile ears. By the way, I see all this software and all database files on all torrent sites with high download numbers. So it seems to be very hot.

Dude, you are way too Pro-Ranger, don't be surprised if no one here takes you seriously.

[Noahtuck]

I see, here in this forum this Cinavia removing solution has no friends.

Well considering there is no actual REMOVAL but rather butchering and destruction of the audio, you are correct.

You should take the time to learn the difference.....

In my mind the arguments are very flat.

And obviously so is your hearing.....
Does "tone deaf" mean anything to you ?

Oh wait, you are one of those

deaf people who listen to music with earbuds on an Ipod think 128kbps MP3's sound great!!

And you stated in your other post,

I do not have the money for a "high end" audio equipment,

And here you try to make it like you do have one, or you are just trying to dance around the fact that you
have no clue, crappy hearing, just don't GAF or are some clueless shill for the crappy software that does not do
what it claims to do.

PERIOD!!!!!

don't be surprised if no one here takes you seriously.

He already passed that requirement!!
LOL!!

[johns0]

Gee,if people can't agree with me saying the audio is good then they are wrong.Good argument.

[netmask56]

The bane of my life has been my absolute pitch, certainly handy as a cellist but sooo annoying when a bus drives down hill outside my place applying the brakes in a flattened C#..... I am glad I haven't "heard" any of these Cinavia "solutions". Being a well tempered musician I remember with some agony trying to study the cello part of a Bartok String Quartet that has a few notated quarter tones in it for a particular effect. So those with cloth ears should go away and listen to some real non electrocuted (as my cello master referred to electric guitars) music in a concert hall before making quality judgements on audio.

[Chopmeister]

@ManyMark

I just find it a bit too suspicious that DVD Ranger is a product that many of the people here, who have a great deal of expertise in audio/video issues and have also tried the DVD Ranger Solution, think that DVD-Ranger is very poor. It has been discussed in detail over recent months, and the general consensus is that it is a rubbish solution.

Yet you join the forum, and on the same day you join leap in and make three posts, the only posts you have ever made and made all on the day you join, all enthusiastically promoting this product and lauding its supposed quality. I'm sorry, but but your posts smell a bit too much like astroturfing and advertising of a product for me to take them seriously.

You need to disclose whether you have any connection to DVD-Ranger?

[MannyMark]

I see, here in this forum this Cinavia removing solution has no friends.

Well considering there is no actual REMOVAL but rather butchering and destruction of the audio, you are correct.

You should take the time to learn the difference.....

In my mind the arguments are very flat.

And obviously so is your hearing.....
Does "tone deaf" mean anything to you ?

Oh wait, you are one of those

deaf people who listen to music with earbuds on an Ipod think 128kbps MP3's sound great!!

And you stated in your other post,

I do not have the money for a "high end" audio equipment,

And here you try to make it like you do have one, or you are just trying to dance around the fact that you
have no clue, crappy hearing, just don't GAF or are some clueless shill for the crappy software that does not do
what it claims to do.

PERIOD!!!!!

don't be surprised if no one here takes you seriously.

He already passed that requirement!!
LOL!!

So LG is an high end equipment? IPlease excuse my ignorance, which is a 250 USD BD player + sound system is high end.
However, I also read that I'm to pro-ranger and so I'm untrustworthy. I understand, if someone think you are wrong with your statements and that you are not objective then this person is automatically untrustworthy. Also a good way to run a discussion.

However, the software works, and it works great and if you think not it is your decision. But in my eyes, keep fair and do not write lies about a software that definitly works. Because that 6 channel Ac3 is terrible sound, sorry this statement is really untrustworthy.

[Redrider103]

There is an easier work around. I have always watched Blu Rays on my Computer. When i tried to play them on a new Blu Ray player Cinavia activated.
It was released in 2010 around March. I found online a new Sony Blu Ray player that was made one month before the new protection was embedded.
Works fine, just never upgrade the software when requested.

[theewizard]

Old thread

[Redrider103]

I didn't mean to repeat a fix that was already posted. I am new to the Forum.

[Kerry56]

This thread is nearly two and a half years old now, but it should be pointed out that DVDFab does now have a solution for Cinavia. It may not be what everyone wants (pure HD audio with the Cinavia watermark removed), but it does work for a few select movies, and the list will grow quickly.

I doubt that it is anything more than another version of audio swapping, but for many that will be enough.

[devilcoelhodog]

Just for curiosity: It's not possible nowadays ( maybe its illegal too ) reverse engineering the player on a PC, removing or disabling Cinavia detection engine in such programs? Its too complicated to do it? Or illegal as well? All the instructions aren't inside the program?


Thanks.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

[Kerry56]

Just for curiosity: It's not possible nowadays ( maybe its illegal too ) reverse engineering the player on a PC, removing or disabling Cinavia detection engine in such programs? Its too complicated to do it? Or illegal as well? All the instructions aren't inside the program?


Thanks.


Best regards.


devil (johner)

That would undoubtedly violate the end user license agreement that you click on when installing the program. So probably not legal, no. There are only two software programs left that are officially licensed for Blu-ray playback on computers these days, those being PowerDVD and WinDVD.

There were versions of Arcsoft TMT 5 and PowerDVD 12 that had no Cinavia detection, then those programs were updated with the ability to see the Cinavia signal. Those updates should have some clues as to how the programs do this, but I've never heard of anyone breaking them down and explaining in public exactly what was added in. Some of the decryption companies, Slysoft in particular, might have done this so that they can defeat the signal recognition in the players, the way that AnyDVD HD does, but if they did reverse engineer the players, they haven't given out any details.

[Subscript]

I ' m having the same problem but i am using a Mac