Premiere -> FrameServer -> MeGUI -> MKVMerge | alternative ?

[Slind]

A odd thing is, that if I download the Video from Youtube, the size is bigger than the one I uploaded and the quality worse, but not that worse as in the youtube flash player.

Youtube switched the wrapper from mkv to mp4, could the size and the quality loss be related to this ? If yes, shouldn´t I upload it as mp4 ?

[poisondeathray]

Youtube re-encodes everything, it doesn't just switch the wrapper . You always incur quality loss regardless of what you upload, regardless of what wrapper

The youtube player uses nearest neighbor for scaling and point resized upscaled chroma . Translation: it uses the lowest quality resizing and RGB display methods . It will always look worse than the exact same video played locally in a regular software media player (especially color borders like reds will look very "blocky")

[Slind]

Does YouTube have any trouble with 16:10, because if I look back, I have Videos which are sharp as hell:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPsw1Q9iCU

[Slind]

looks like it is 16:10 related:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnF4VIQk2RU


Damn Youtube.

[poisondeathray]

Did you upscale one but not the other ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPsw1Q9iCU
This one is 1920x1080 , looks like it was recorded at 1920x0180

What about the other one ? 1728x1080 . What was it recorded at? You said you upscaled it in the 1st post. "double the respolution of the video (resize)" . That would explain everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdt_l6vtmcs

[Slind]

looks nice- Recorded at 1920x1080 and encoded with same resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPsw1Q9iCU

looks blurry - Recorded at 1920x1200 and encoded with same resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdt_l6vtmcs


looks blurry - Recorded at 1920x1200 and encoded to 3840x2400: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMzyZmKsTxk


looks good - Recorded at 1920x1200 and cut to 1920x1080: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnF4VIQk2RU

[poisondeathray]

looks blurry - Recorded at 1920x1200 and encoded with same resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdt_l6vtmcs

When I download the "1080p" version, this was scaled and re-encoded to 1728x1080, so it will look worse .

Any scaling will make it look worse. Even scaling done by the player (YT is 16:9 display , so anything wider or narrower will be letterboxed or pillarboxed)

[Slind]

looks blurry - Recorded at 1920x1200 and encoded with same resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdt_l6vtmcs

When I download the "1080p" version, this was scaled and re-encoded to 1728x1080, so it will look worse .

Any scaling will make it look worse. Even scaling done by the player (YT is 16:9 display , so anything wider or narrower will be letterboxed or pillarboxed)

But it is still 16:10 ? You get black bars on 16:9 and if I download it says 1920x1200, too.

and yes, I´m sure I uploaded it as 1920x1200, this is the file I uploaded: http://www.mediafire.com/download/jn8nhapm8d8o11v/FTB-Server_erstellen_plugins_exact-s...00_x264vfw.mkv

[poisondeathray]

looks blurry - Recorded at 1920x1200 and encoded with same resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdt_l6vtmcs

When I download the "1080p" version, this was scaled and re-encoded to 1728x1080, so it will look worse .

Any scaling will make it look worse. Even scaling done by the player (YT is 16:9 display , so anything wider or narrower will be letterboxed or pillarboxed)

But it is still 16:10 ? You get black bars on 16:9

Yes it's 16:10 (because 1728/1080 = 1.6) . If your display is 16:10 and you watch it full screen then you shouldn't get black bars. In the small window , or if your display is 16:9; 1.6 < 1.78 , therefore it should be pillarboxed (and it is)

[Slind]

It is still 1920x1200 when I download it from youtube.

[poisondeathray]

It is still 1920x1200 when I download it from youtube.

It should be... I was wondering why it was scaled on the encode (it should be scaled in the display, but not the encode)

Interesting, I'll try downloading again with other software . What did you use to DL it ?

Width : 1 728 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels

[Slind]

I downloaded it via. the Backend. I now tried to download it with jdownloader 2 but I only get the 720p file.

Do you know something which, could make a 16:10 screen a 16:9 screen for video captures ?
Maybe something that adds a small blackscreen and setzt the monitor resolution to 1920x1080 or so?

[poisondeathray]

I downloaded it via. the Backend. I now tried to download it with jdownloader 2 but I only get the 720p file.

Never heard of Backend . Same with jdownloader 720p version only . IDM got the 1728x1080 version

YT keeps on changing things, and it takes a while for the downloading software to keep up

Do you know something which, could make a 16:10 screen a 16:9 screen for video captures ?
Maybe something that adds a small blackscreen and setzt the monitor resolution to 1920x1080 or so?

Not sure, Some graphics drivers / monitor combos might be able to display it like that, but 1:1 pixel mapping is always the best (your display will look worse if it's not 1:1 )

Scaling it yourself and pillarboxing it yourself give you control over the algorithm used (higher quality) than if you left it to youtube. Or you can crop it yourself

Or you can set your apps to be windowed and record in a windowed mode

[Slind]

yeah I was thinking about only using the 16:9 part of the monitor like if you watch a 16:9 movie. So the rest stays black, not used. I just tried to download the upscaled one and only get the 720p, too.

What do you think, would it work if I warp the video to 16:9 or should I go for crop or selfmade black bars better ?

[_Al_]

crop, do not resize (warp), you are working with 1pixel wide letters, yo have to record and export square pixel 1:1,

if you frame serve, project properties of your project are important, not clip properties, frame server is serving project properties, so if you have clip 16:10 in Premiere and project is set to 16:9, Premiere does resize to 16:9 while frame serving, you do not want that. I did something similar having project properties in NLE set to size of the clip and I did cropping (or padding) in Avisynth to have exactly 16:9 (either 1920x1080 or 1280x720) to prevent YouTube do anything weird to video.

[Slind]

Is there any point why i shouldn´t use the .avi from premiere and wrap it with audio into a mkv instead of using the .264 and wrap it ?

[hello_hello]

How much and what type of editing are you doing? If it's just basic "cuts" as you described, you can do it with MeGUI. No need for another program for editing.

Are you aware of MeGUI's AVS Cutter under the Tools menu? Open the original video, index it and extract the audio, create a script for encoding and save it, then open the script with the AVS Cutter and use the preview to add your cuts to the script. MeGUI will then encode only the bits you want (effectively editing while encoding). The AVS Cutter can save a "cuts file' in order to re-encode the audio the same way, or you could use the Audio Cutter under the Tools menu if you don't want to re-encode it.

If it's just simple editing you're doing, that's the way I'd do it (well I do so regularly). Once MeGUI has encoded the video and re-encoded or split/rejoined the audio, you could then open the audio with another program to apply whatever effects you want, re-save it, then manually mux the modified version into the final output MKV (file).

If the original file is an AVI, I don't think MeGUI can extract the audio from it (although it'll use a script to re-encode it). If you want the original audio stream to work with, you'd need to demux it from an AVI manually, or remux the original AVI as an MKV then open the MKV with MeGUI for encoding.

[_Al_]

Is there any point why i shouldn´t use the .avi from premiere and wrap it with audio into a mkv instead of using the .264 and wrap it ?

ok, I confused you again in previous post, you are not using dmfs, although cropping or padding in Avisynth is easy and trusted

you encode within Premiere with x264vfw,... , to that question above, I'd say it entirely matters what youtube likes or dislikes, you have to check it out if it treats differently ...