Open video in vegas pro 10

[Jon.G]

But the clip has been edited and cut into several segments. The audio was automatically cut along with it, and is also into equal segments, tied to the video. But, since Sony couldn't be bothered to program this right, the audio has stayed tied to the video, out of sync. Since I have blocks of equal length video and audio in my session now, that are attached and out of sync due to really lousy programming, the ctrl drag won't work. But, you would have known that already if you actually read what I was typing and was interested in coming up with a real answer to my situation, rather than tell me to do something that is no longer possible.

[aedipuss]

hehe love it, everyone thinks they can edit video. at least buy a mac, then you won't have to rtfm or watch a tutorial, it'll read your mind.

[Jon.G]

I can edit video fine, it would just be much easier if the programmers of the software had a damn clue.

[Cornucopia]

It is still possible, just more work now, because you failed to set it up right in the first place.
The very FIRST thing pros do after ingesting material and logging it is SYNC it up.
And for your information, it is infinitely easier and almost ALWAYS better quality to adjust the audio to a fixed video than vice-versa, even if you happen to be biased towards the audio (which I usually am). It is possible to do either, but changing the video timebase often is much more (visibly) noticeable than changing the audio timebase is (audibly) noticeable.

All your yammering about Vegas being a piece of crap just amounts to "sour grapes". If you knew how to operate it or other PRO NLEs, you wouldn't be having these problems. Remember at the beginning of this thread where you couldn't even get the file to be read, but you wouldn't even go to the trouble of finding out what format it is via MediaInfo? So now you're already working with a copy of your copy, just because "you can't be bothered".

Kinda reminds me of an old Far Side comic where someone had let a newbie run a FOH mixer board at a live concert, and you can see his hand poised to turn WAAYY up the knob labeled "SUCK". Nothing you can do to really save things after that...

Scott

[Jon.G]

I still stand behind the choices I've made to this point. My copy of a copy is taking something that was sourced from a dvd, and converting it to dvd quality. I'm not regaining whatever was lost in the rip from the original dvd source, but going back to dvd quality for the sake of compatibility is hardly a turning of the suck knob, I've left the suck knob in the down position.

And, I stand behind my choice of adjusting the video rather than the audio. Because, no matter what.....the video was going to have to be adjusted, since I was not going to stay with a 25fps rate when going to my final dvd. The animated feature was originally 24fps, the audio source comes from a 23.9something rate, taking what is a sped up version at 25fps, and setting it to playback at it's original rate of 24fps, giving me a point where my audio source needs even less tweaking now, puts me at a much better position than tweaking my audio more to match the 25fps rate, and then rendering to a different framerate for my dvd. As I see it, rendering a 25fps file to 24fps without adjusting the speed would be kicking that suck knob up a notch, while taking the 25fps video, and without altering the video just playing it at 24fps, which it was originally meant to be played at, is leaving that suck knob firmly in place in the off position.


Yes, I liked that far side comic as well.



Anyways, I've got to do more audio work anyways. I need to NR and EQ the audio from the TV VHS. And I have a US issued VHS version of the film as well that has better sounding audio, although in places different from the TV audio, so I have to do some comparisons there.....once I have that all sorted out, I'll use sound forge to adjust the audio accordingly and should be able to get it to sync back up. Lots of sources to go through, mess with, piece together, to get the best final product I can.

But I still say it would be less hassles, and just makes sense, if vegas would as a default keep video and audio synced together that it has locked together. Seems logical to me.

[poisondeathray]

I still stand behind the choices I've made to this point. My copy of a copy is taking something that was sourced from a dvd, and converting it to dvd quality. I'm not regaining whatever was lost in the rip from the original dvd source, but going back to dvd quality for the sake of compatibility is hardly a turning of the suck knob, I've left the suck knob in the down position.

One option is to use 2:3:2:2:2 pulldown , this makes it compliant for NTSC DVD (720x480p25, but pulldown flags output a 29.97 signal to make it compliant) . The benefit of doing it that way is you keep the orginal PAL audio (people choose this method when audio more important e.g. for concerts etc.. from a PAL source)

*Or, do what most people do, reverse the PAL speedup that was done in the first place , you're left with similar specs to the original NTSC DVD (not quality wise, of course, just cadence wise)

And, I stand behind my choice of adjusting the video rather than the audio. Because, no matter what.....the video was going to have to be adjusted, since I was not going to stay with a 25fps rate when going to my final dvd. The animated feature was originally 24fps, the audio source comes from a 23.9something rate, taking what is a sped up version at 25fps, and setting it to playback at it's original rate of 24fps, giving me a point where my audio source needs even less tweaking now, puts me at a much better position than tweaking my audio more to match the 25fps rate, and then rendering to a different framerate for my dvd. As I see it, rendering a 25fps file to 24fps without adjusting the speed would be kicking that suck knob up a notch, while taking the 25fps video, and without altering the video just playing it at 24fps, which it was originally meant to be played at, is leaving that suck knob firmly in place in the off position.

That is a seriously convoluted workfow and you will still problems becuase your math is still off.

If it was DVD source, then the framerate will be ~23.976p , not 24.0p . Sure, the original original animation might be 24.0p, but the distribution on DVD will be 23.976 (24000/1001 to be precise)

Because of the common PAL <=> NTSC conversions, there are better / easier programs that do these conversions for audio (and the reverse), because they are known values and ratio math . These types of conversions are done all the time. IF they were the same cut (not different edits, different directors cuts etc...) , this will give you an EXACT match because you are PRECISELY doing the reverse of what was done in the first place, the PAL speedup.

It was mentioned already but it's always important to sync it before editing

But I still say it would be less hassles, and just makes sense, if vegas would as a default keep video and audio synced together that it has locked together. Seems logical to me.

I don't quite understand what went wrong there? I don't really use vegas anymore but can you describe it in more detail or am I missing something obvious ?

[_Al_]

Your original video is 23.97? You want to match your 29.97 audio to it and get overall 29.97fps?

You fix your video first. Get whatever you want, separate Vegas project or Virtual Dub , you can use Avisynth to get 23.97 out of your 29.97 video, export lossless or just load that veg project into another Vegas project (this takes some resources though). Do editing there. That what intermediate stands for. This is no brainer. You are trying to do some magic but got stopped blaming software.

If you already edited that loaded video with changing frame rate try to simply do it right way and then use Replace in Vegas to swap those videos.

[Jon.G]

ugh.....


Original source, 24fps.

Someone in England - sped it up to 25fps, did an English dubbing that sucks big time. This ended up being the dvd version, I care not about the audio on this version.

Someone in America - slowed it down to 23.97. This is not original, see above, original is 24. Did an American English dubbing, much better than the England dubbing, and what I grew up with watching on the VHS taped off of TV in 1984.


And then we get to me.

So....tell me.....why in the hell would I want to keep the sped up 25fps video playing at that speed?

How is it illogical to take the 25fps video, which is the original 24fps video sped up, and speed it back down to it's original speed?

I suppose maybe, maybe, it would be more logical to speed the 25fps down to 23.97, and match it to the audio. Actually.....I think I like that idea better.....yes.....damn it, now I have to make a new session and re-edit.


Thanks, you're right, there is a better way.....just not the way you're suggesting.

[poisondeathray]

ugh.....


Original source, 24fps.

Someone in England - sped it up to 25fps, did an English dubbing that sucks big time. This ended up being the dvd version, I care not about the audio on this version.

Someone in America - slowed it down to 23.97. This is not original, see above, original is 24. Did an American English dubbing, much better than the England dubbing, and what I grew up with watching on the VHS taped off of TV in 1984.

I think you're wrong, unless you have access to film scans, or this is a blu-ray source

Original DVD source was 24000/1001, not 24.0 . Unless it was a blu-ray then there is a slight chance it was 24.0 . People in euroland do a "PAL speedup" . That's audio and video spedup by 25/(24000/1001). Very common for PAL DVD derived from NTSC / film sources

ok let me clarify

PAL DVD video @ 25 FPS
NTSC recorded audio from VHS
Is that correct ?

And then we get to me.

So....tell me.....why in the hell would I want to keep the sped up 25fps video playing at that speed?

You don't, I just mentioned that in passing for people that want to keep PAL audio for NTSC DVD

How is it illogical to take the 25fps video, which is the original 24fps video sped up, and speed it back down to it's original speed?

That's what everyone is saying! Just reverse the PAL speedup that was done in the first place. You have the original NTSC DVD spec audio and video (not quality wise, cadence and spec wise)

I suppose maybe, maybe, it would be more logical to speed the 25fps down to 23.97, and match it to the audio. Actually.....I think I like that idea better.....yes.....damn it, now I have to make a new session and re-edit.

Bingo!

It's very easy to do if you answered the first questions about mediainfo .

[smrpix]

Do this:

Make a 25 fps session.
Lay in your good video
Lay in your good 29.97 audio
Adjust your audio so it matches your video and is in sync.
Group the audio and video together.
Change your session to 24 or 23.976
Adjust your grouped clip so you have a 1:1 frame ratio (25 is now 24 or 23.976) Audio will follow video.
(Yes, Vegas does this.)
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