Record without interlacing.

[crissrudd4554]

Hi, I want to convert VHS to DVD but the programs I've used have interlacing in the final videos. Interlacing is like a ghosting effect where there's like double of an image. It's not too noticeable when the video is playing but I'd still rather have it without it. A friend of mine uses EyeTV and that doesn't have the interlacing effect. However, EyeTV is a bit pricy so I was wondering if anyone around here knows of any other video capturing software that will record my videos without the interlacing effect at a good price. Thanx!!

[Cornucopia]

ALL VHS tapes are interlaced. Best way to transfer it to DVD includes retaining the interlacing AS IS. Only "effect" you would see is if your playback software/system was incorrectly deinterlacing. On interlaced sets, interlaced DVDs have no "effect", nor do they have any effect when played on correctly designed & set up progressive systems, whether PC or CE.

Scott

[crissrudd4554]

No here's a sample. Note how one has the overlap and one doesn't???

[smrpix]

Scott is correct, ALL VHS is interlaced.

But what do these samples represent anyway? How were they made? --in detail, please.

(The highlights are really blown out on the second one, BTW.)

[crissrudd4554]

The first is recorded with EyeTV Hybrid. The second was recorded with VHS to DVD 3.0. I can't really give much more detail because I don't know much more as far as how the products were put together. I was hoping someone here could assist me.

[smrpix]

I first is recorded with EyeTV Hybrid. The second was VHS to DVD 3.0.

That's a start. Recorded with what settings? to what codec and format? And how did they become resized stills?

[crissrudd4554]

The stills are screen grabs that I took with VLC Player. However, I don't think that's a concern because they still appear this way when played on my TV. I'm not certain what settings it was. Someone else was using EyeTV and the computer that I used VHS to DVD 3.0 doesn't work anymore so I'm not currently using the program.

[smrpix]

And you played them from files? DVDs? YouTube? VLC made them side by side?

My best guess is that there were at least two levels of conversion between the VHS and the final DVD(?) but only you know what you actually have and how it was done.

[crissrudd4554]

No the first video was recorded with EyeTV and burnt to a DVD. The other was recorded with VHS to DVD 3.0 and burnt to a DVD. To demonstrate this comparison I took screen grabs from both discs and put the pics together. I think its something with the capturing method because when I used VHS to DVD 3.0 the original file still had the overlap when I played it on my computer (before burning it to DVD).

[manono]

A short video sample would be nice. 10 seconds of steady movement direct from the capture. There's a good chance your capture program is crap. Don't know for sure as I've never used it. There's nothing wrong with interlacing but there's a lot wrong with that picture you posted. You say the final DVD has interlacing but there's none seen in that picture.

Interlacing is like a ghosting effect where there's like double of an image.

No, that's not at all what interlacing is. In fact, it looks to me like it was deinterlaced, and in the worst possible way.

[smrpix]

when I used VHS to DVD 3.0 the original file still had the overlap when I played it on my computer (before burning it to DVD).

Yes! That's what we need to know about, the original file.

What is the frame size (720x480?), the frame rate (29.97?), the codec (mpeg2?), the bit rate

Please post a sample of that.

it looks to me like it was deinterlaced, and in the worst possible way.

Completely agree.

[sanlyn]

Oops, manono beat me to it. Blend-deinterlaced.

[Cauptain]

Try AmarecTV, its can record deinterlaced in realtime. The final result is progressive file in any resolution.

Configure your card settings, enable correct deinterlaced mode (TFF or BFF), check the option Filter ON and record your progressive file. You can resize / cut area recorded too.







Claudio

[crissrudd4554]

@ manono If you mean you one without the 'blur' than no because the video still plays and looks much smoother than the other. Sorry if I can't demonstrate that with stills.

@ smrpix I don't have the original files nor do I remember their settings. These were done a while back. As I mentioned someone I know used EyeTV and made a disc for me. I later captured the same video tape with VHS to DVD 3.0 for Windows but as I said my Windows computer no longer works and hence I longer use the software. Also once I burnt my movies to DVD I deleted the files since they took up space so I wouldn't have them anyways I'm afraid.

@ Cauptain will this work with Mac??

Also I have a question for anyone who may have used this. I was thinking of trying Canopus ADVC100. Has anyone tried this and if so could you tell if if produces the 'ghosting' effect or not???

[smrpix]

I was thinking of trying Canopus ADVC100. Has anyone tried this and if so could you tell if if produces the 'ghosting' effect or not???

It's perfectly fine -- better than a typical usb analog device. But the ghosting effect was most likely produced by what you did to the file AFTER you captured it.

[crissrudd4554]

Thanks. Maybe I will try that. And also I don't think so. The most I've ever done to the files after capturing them is record them to DVD. However if I played the original file in a media player (quicktime, vlc, etc.) the effect showed so I actually knew about the effect prior to burning them to DVD. Also I've tested a program called iGrabber and it still had the effect. I recorded a test clip with that and played it back in Quicktime and the effect showed. Please don't as me what were the settings cause I don't have that program on my computer anymore so I wouldn't know. My guess is perhaps like you said maybe it is something with the settings or its just the way the programs are designed. Either way I'm not a fan of it.

[smrpix]

Yes. By NOT taking control of the program's settings you allowed it to ruin your footage.

[crissrudd4554]

Yes. By NOT taking control of the program's settings you allowed it to ruin your footage.

Ok dude I never said the footage was ruined. I was just curious as to why that overlap occurs. Sorry if I'm not a genius with video capturing software! :P

[smrpix]

Ok dude I never said the footage was ruined.

No, but you demonstrated it with your screen grabs.

I was just curious as to why that overlap occurs.

Because your capture and conversion settings were wrong for your footage. If you are in an NTSC region it should be 720x480, in a PAL Region 720x576. Field order (interlacing) will depend on a number of factors.

Sorry if I'm not a genius with video capturing software! :P

That's quite all right, we all had to start somewhere. Now you know that leaving second rate hardware and software at default settings gives less than optimal results.

I suggest you re-read this thread and you will see we were all trying to point you toward the information you (and we) needed to help make this better.

[crissrudd4554]

Here's some pointers about EyeTV Hybrid I found on support.elgato.com. Does this answer anything???

EyeTV Hybrid does not have an encoding chip in the hardware, to create SDTV video in MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 formats. Instead, it uses software encoding.
EyeTV Hybrid receives HD signals from digital antenna (ATSC) or unencrypted digital cable (Clear QAM) - those signals are pre-encoded by the broadcaster.

Also I googled and found the manual to the VHS to DVD software. I used the Advance Mode. Scroll to pages 20 and 21.

http://www.honestech.com/pdf/vhs%20to%20dvd%203_for_web.pdf

[smrpix]

http://support.elgato.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=11

Money quote:

Summary
In short, once you start using EyeTV, please customize your settings to get the best picture for your setup.

[smrpix]

Also I googled and found the manual to the VHS to DVD software. I used the Advance Mode. Scroll to pages 20 and 21.

http://www.honestech.com/pdf/vhs%20to%20dvd%203_for_web.pdf

Good. Now keep reading to at least page 23.

[pandy]

No here's a sample. Note how one has the overlap and one doesn't???

Solve problem with your config instead deinterlacing video...

Seem that something is wrong/incorrectly configured...

[crissrudd4554]

Solve problem with your config instead deinterlacing video...

Seem that something is wrong/incorrectly configured...

So essentially what smrpix said. I have to change the settings?? Well next time I use one of these tricky softwares I'll try it. The only reason I was referring to the ghosting effect as interlacing was because of what this article told me.

http://www.neuron2.net/LVG/interlacing.html

[sanlyn]

The video was incorrectly converted from interalced to progressive by combining (blending) two interlaced fields into one frame. It's not "ghosting". It's like a double exposure: two images in one frame.

[pandy]

So essentially what smrpix said. I have to change the settings?? Well next time I use one of these tricky softwares I'll try it. The only reason I was referring to the ghosting effect as interlacing was because of what this article told me.

http://www.neuron2.net/LVG/interlacing.html

If DVD is target then i see no point in deinterlacing as DVD is designed to support interlace and in fact progressive video must be coded in interlace fashion anyway.

[crissrudd4554]

I found an EyeTV Hybrid set online. I'm gonna give it a try.

[crissrudd4554]

Scratch that. Someone already got it. When I find time I'll try out the iGrabber thing again. Maybe there's an option to not do it convert it to progressive.

[sanlyn]

iGrabber? Another $30 wonder

You seem to be using a Mac.

[crissrudd4554]

iGrabber? Another $30 wonder

You seem to be using a Mac.

Yes I do have a Mac but I still have the iGrabber software. I just have to reinstall it.