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    Good luck.
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  2. I'll try. Thanks for the tips guys. I was just curious as to why that effect happens. Hopefully I can now resolve that so I can get back to preserving my tapes to DVD. If I have any further questions I'll ask later.
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    VHS in interlaced. Standard DVD is interlaced; movies on VHS and DVD are usually telecined. You should not "deinterlace" telecined source. If all of this is unfamiliar, you should check information on those video structures before proceeding. To be safe, capture VHS as interlaced.
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  4. Thats fine but is it possible to record without the combing effect??? I posted the two comparisons. Both are screen grabs from DVDs. They're not screen grabs from the original files. So if thats the case shouldn't there be a possible way to record it without the double imaging???? From what most are telling me I need to change my settings.
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    Computers don't deinterlace. TV's do. That's why you see combing effects on computers, unless you play the video with a media player that deinterlaces or plays telecine/pulldown properly. If you're see combing on a proper deinterlacing player, the problem is in your capture.
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  6. The effect appears on my computer and my TV. I said a couple posts ago that I tried using VHS to DVD 3.0 on Windows and also iGrabber on Mac. When I recorded with either the clips that I played back on my computer had the double imaging. I was told quite a few times in this thread that I should check the settings and not stick with the defaults. So the next time I use video capturing software I will check the settings again. All I can say is is that the effect is produced during capturing. Up until now I was only assuming thats the way the things are designed to record but after seeing you guy's responses I'm thinking differently. I'm not saying I'm wrong but I'm not saying I'm right either.
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    There is a difference between double-imaging from blends and combing effects on intelaced/telecined video. The "bad" image from your early post doesn't show combing: it shows blending.

    If you see combing effects on TV, your tv or player is not deinterlacing correctly. We can't say it's your tv or your capture. We can only make a better assessment by seeing a sample of the video you're having trouble with.
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  8. Either way I don't like it. But if I can't do anything about it than fine.
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    Whatever. But we can't say what's wrong or right with your problem capture without a sample of it. Or try the suggestions about adjusting your capture settings and see if you can get better results.
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  10. Originally Posted by crissrudd4554 View Post
    Either way I don't like it. But if I can't do anything about it than fine.
    If it's from a film you might be able to fix it. If it's blend deinterlaced with that crap on every frame with movement, then forget about doing anything with it. But yes, as sanlyn (and smrpix and I earlier) requested, a sample might prove very useful.

    Edited for clarity.
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  11. Originally Posted by manono View Post
    Originally Posted by crissrudd4554 View Post
    Either way I don't like it. But if I can't do anything about it than fine.
    If it's from a film you might be able to fix it. If it's interlaced with that crap on every frame with movement, then forget about doing anything with it. But yes, as sanlyn (and smrpix and I earlier) requested, a sample might prove very useful.
    The effect occurs throughout so I guess that I guess that closes that book.
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    Only a sample can say for sure.
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  13. Originally Posted by sanlyn View Post
    Only a sample can say for sure.
    You want me to provide a sample?? Video or pic???
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    A few seconds of video. Audio not required. DGIndex is easy to cut a few seconds of motion from MPEG, suchas someone moving left to right, etc. Demux to an .m2v video file (which will be MPEG in disguise). 10 seconds with movement of some kind (not titles).
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  15. Originally Posted by crissrudd4554 View Post

    You want me to provide a sample?? Video or pic???
    Really?

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    A short video sample would be nice. 10 seconds of steady movement ...
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    Yes! That's what we need to know about, the original file.

    What is the frame size (720x480?), the frame rate (29.97?), the codec (mpeg2?), the bit rate

    Please post a sample of that.

    And to make it crystal clear: Please post a video sample from the closest to the source video you have - 10 seconds or so with steady movement.

    Edit: sanlyn was faster. And more polite.
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    The DGindex preview window is pretty simple. You mark the start of a cut with the "[" button, end it maybe 10 or 12 seconds later with the "]" button at the bottom of the screen. It's OK to ask.
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  17. Originally Posted by manono View Post


    and to make it crystal clear: Please post a video sample from the closest to the source video you have - 10 seconds or so with steady movement.

    Edit: Sanlyn was faster. And more polite.

    o.k. I. Am. New. to. This.!!!!
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    Never fear. Everyone here was new to it at one time. Tell the truth, it takes longer to describe than to do it.

    DGIndex is a utility in the free DGMPGDec package.
    1. Create a folder in your PC called "DGindex".
    2. Download DGMPGDec into that folder. Get it here: https://www.videohelp.com/download/dgmpgdec158.zip
    3. Unzip the downloaded .zip into the DGindex folder.
    4. Open the folder and double-click DGindex.exe to run it.
    5. In the DGindex window, upper left, Click "File" -=> then "Open"
    6. Navigate to your MPEG or VOB file, select it, and click "Open"
    7. You'll see a new window with the path and name of the file you selected. Click "OK".
    7. You will see an edit window like this one, with the first frame of your video:

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    Scroll thru the video with the scroll control along the bottom.

    The "<" and ">" keys on the lower right will move the video in groups of keyframes. Move to a keyframe in the portion of the video where you want to begin your cut ("<" and ">" automatically stop only on key frames). Mark the start of your cut by clicking "[". Now click the forward ">" button until you have several seconds of video, then click "]" to mark the end of your cut.

    When you've selected your cut, click "File..."-> then "Save Project and Demux Video".

    Voila! In a few seconds you will have a few new files in the same folder where your video is located. There will be a .d2v file, a .log file, and an .m2v file. The m2v is what you want to post here. Forget the other stuff.

    Log into the forum and start a new reply in this thread.
    Just below the Reply window, you'll see an icon on the lower left titled "Upload Files/Manage Attachments".
    Left-click that icon.
    You'll see another popup dialog window with a section to "Upload Files from your computer" near the top.
    Use the "Browse..." button to find and select your m2v file.
    When the file is selected and shown in the Upload window, click the "Upload" button to its right.
    Wait for the video to upload completely.
    Then at the bottom of the upload dialog click "Close this window".
    Submit your new reply.
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    For topic, "How To Upload A Sample From A DVD"

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    And to think I and someone else posted something similar a couple years ago, and I looked for an hour but couldn't find it.
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  22. I redownloaded iGrabber. Before I tried anything I wanted to write back. The formats listed in the settings are:

    Animation
    Apple Pixlet Video
    Apple VC H.263
    DV-PAL
    DV/DVCPRO-NTSC
    DVCPRO-PAL
    DVCPRO50-NTSC
    DVCPRO50-PAL
    H.264
    JPEG 2000
    MPEG-4 Video
    None
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    PNG
    Xiph Theora
    YUV422 codec

    It's current settings are on Photo-JPEG. The quality and frames per second are both set to best. Any tips here??
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    From what you've said, I wanted to make it clear to others that you're on a Mac. That's going to change what can & can't be done, software-wise.

    Of those (Quicktime) codecs you just listed, you should be using (in descending order of priority/quality):

    1 (for Master Quality) Uncompressed (aka NONE), PNG, or Animation codec at 100% quality (lossless), or
    2 Apple Pixlet Video, JPEG2000 maybe YUV422 for slightly lossy, but visually near-lossless, or
    3 DVCPro50 (NTSC or PAL, depending upon where you're located) medium lossy
    4 DV/DVCPro (NTSC or PAL, blah blah blah) or H.264 at high bitrate for more lossy but probably still acceptable.

    Others (h.263, MPEG4, PhotoJPEG, Theora) are NOT worth using, if you want to retain good quality.

    If you are ultimately going to DVD (MPEG2), you want to be capturing at the best quality, edit/process at the best quality, then compress/export to MPEG2 for the final copy. On a Mac, you would probably be using Compressor for that, though you may have to fork over the $29USD for the MPEG2 codec plugin for QT for it all to work. There are other ways (Toast, iMovie, other 3rd party) but those have historically not been so good, qualitywise. AME in Adobe CS suites is good, but I would have guessed that if you already had that, you would have mentioned it. It's $$ so not likely to be what you'll go for. ffmpegX is possible, but I can't vouch for its quality.

    That's the thing with Macs: your options are VERY constrained. That can be a good thing or a bad thing. In this instance, I think it's a bad thing.

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    <edit> There are other good QT codecs you could download and use, such as Cineform, but you would have to DL and install them first.
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  24. I tried a few of those. Most still had the double imaging. The DVCPro and DV/DVCPro50 did not have it but the framing was wrong and the quality wasn't that good. Quality was better on the other options but they had the blending effect. I had settings on high.
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    I hate to say this, but I think we're seeing a PEBKAC error here, and we won't know how to fix it until we can get some DETAILED, THOROUGH (exhaustively) account of all the steps & settings.

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  26. Oii. I'll see what I can do.
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  27. Originally Posted by crissrudd4554 View Post
    the framing was wrong
    How so? Stretched, squished or something else?

    Cornucopia's description is accurate and useful, but to simplify your life a little bit, stick with Animation and/or DV25 for now. Capture at 720x480 29.97 (you're in NTSC-land IIRC.)
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  28. Yes it was vertically stretched.
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  29. DV and DVD store the frames as non-square pixels and "correct" it on playback. If you are playing back 1:1 (square pixels) you will see some distortion and shouldn't let it worry you at this stage. When you author your DVD you will instruct it to display at 4x3 or 16x9.

    Are you confirming you captured at 720x480 29.97 fps?
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  30. I'll check again when I get time.
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