Help with Elgato Game Capture HD & My Laptop

[DB83]

There is, as far as I see, no difference in plugging that cable direct into the $ky box or using the scart adapter. Both are outputing composite. As jagabo already said, we simply do not know which pins connect on the other end. And it is the other end that matters here.

All I suggest is that you wait for the response from elgato and return to the topic when you have that cable which is the only one guaranteed to work in to the elgato.

[DB83]

One other thing. The $ky Box you show is a $ky+ Box. Is that the one you have ?

And you would not want to remove the hdmi cable from the $ky Box. Else how would you watch on your tv ?

[brookey12]

I have the Amstrad DRX890-c Sky+ HD Receiver

[brookey12]

I mean remove the hdmi lead while the composite cable is in

If you want to see the back of my receiver click here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BNIB-AMSTRAD-DRX890-C-SKY-HD-Digibox-250Gb-PVR-Remote-HDMI-S...-/121101212507

[DB83]

Ok. Well I do not have a $ky+ box just a plain 'ol $kyHD Box. The hdmi is permantenly connected to the tv. I also have a scart connected to do SD recording either into a dvd-recorder or a capture card.

But you have a $ky+ Box so you CAN record on that. The only advantage in attempting to connect to an elgato is to save those recordings on to your PC. What it will not achieve is to record any more channels. At present you can record up to two at any one time or record one and watch one. That is the maximum. Again, you can not increase that with an elgato.

[brookey12]

Yeah i agree but when the misses is out i was going to cap her programs and put them on the pc so she can watch then, you know your Skyhd box are you able to record on that as i didnt know there were different ones the only 3 i thought exisited were the Normal Sky receiver, Sky+ & Sky+HD which is what i have, So whats the difference between yours and mine?

[DB83]

The only difference is that I can not record on mine. It's just $kyHD. If I wish to record anything on $ky I do it as I described but the recordings are SD and not HD.

In fact, if you get it to work, those recordings will also be SD and not HD.

To get a HD recording you would have to run that hdmi cable to the elgato. But we already know that will not work. There are devices that can defeat hdcp. Not sure if these can be legally purchased in the UK. And you would have to split the hdmi signal from the $ky box which could result in a loss in definition. Some splitters do defeat hdcp as well. But it is knowing which ones. There are topics in the forum about this.

If you really want the wife not to miss her Corrie or East Enders then the easiest solution is a dvd-recorder. Then she simply watches the recording on the PC via a disk. Keep or re-use(dvdRW) the disk after viewing.

[brookey12]

Yeah very true, wish id invested in one of those instead hehe and how did u know it was corrie?lol, so a slitter might do the trick to defeat hdcp, anyones on ebay.co.uk you recommend that will work?

[DB83]

Search the forum for hdmi splitters. There may some suggestions there. Technically, they are not meant to defeat hdcp and just pass-through the signal.

[brookey12]

i found this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x4-HDMI-splitter-1-input-4-output-for-Sky-PS3-1080-15M-/380...E:L:OU:GB:3160 along with this video: would this be any good?

[brookey12]

the video shows obviously how to defeat the ps3 hdcp but in the description of the vid he points to the ebay link and on the ebay link says that it can be used on sky as well

[DB83]

But the link also states 'hdcp compliant' which normally means that hdcp is NOT defeated.

Really, we can go on with this ad-finitum. pls do as I say and search the forum for devices that will work. You can always post your concerns about the devices there since it is unlikely that those who know will not read this topic.

[brookey12]

ok no problem thanks

[jagabo]

That splitter looks just like this one at Amazon.com. This one is confirmed to remove HDCP:

http://www.amazon.com/CVID-BG-550-portable-Powered-Splitter/dp/B0089DVCT8/

Several distributors buy them and sell them under different names (sometimes with additional silk screening).

[DB83]

That splitter looks just like this one at Amazon.com. This one is confirmed to remove HDCP:

http://www.amazon.com/CVID-BG-550-portable-Powered-Splitter/dp/B0089DVCT8/

Several distributors buy them and sell them under different names (sometimes with additional silk screening).

Of course the front(or back) looks the same but the wording on the top appears to differ.

I think you would agree that you could not guarantee that the ebay.uk one will work(and none of them really should work). And it is an expensive mistake to make.

[jagabo]

The wording on the top is exactly the same as the CVid 1x4 splitter I have (bought in the Amazon Marketplace). Some vendors add their own silk screen. I don't know that I'd call 29 GBP "expensive" and the seller has a 14 day refund policy. Of course, I can't vouch that the particular device at ebay.co.uk is exactly the same. But since it looks exactly like the one in the Amazon ad (and the one I bought) I think the odds are good. He can try asking the seller.

[DB83]

£29 is not expensive for a working purchase. It is expensive if it does not do what you thought it could.

Would the seller know ? He might but if this is just one of hundreds of stock lines..... There again we have a 'sale of goods act' which states that the goods are only guaranteed for what they 'say on the tin' And this unit does state 'hdcp compliant'. If it were discovered that it was not then someone could be in serious trouble. I do not know the US law about such things but I believe that here in the UK what says goes. I took issue once with a UK ebay seller who advertised a certain brand of dvd cases but sent me something totally different (and was cheaper). It took a lot of negotation for him to realise he was cheating me.

Remember I did question the legality of hdcp strippers within the UK. Much like that macrovision removers are not sold directly over here.

[jagabo]

I have no idea what the UK law is regarding HDCP strippers. In the US the DMCA makes it illegal to sell any device who's primary function is to remove digital encryption (without authorization, obviously). That's why nobody advertizes the "feature". Brookey12 will just have to do his research and take a chance. Just like the rest of us.

[DB83]

Well I guess that the UK law is no different to the US when it comes to digital encryption.

As for the unit the OP linked to, the one which you thought was identical to the one you have, the most recent post in the hdmi splitters thread states that this does NOT strip out hdcp.

So, yes, I agree. You pays your money, you takes your choice. There is no absolute guarantee.

[brookey12]

Ive had a look around the forums but cant find a topic where everyone who bought who bought a specific splitter said it worked, ive found topics where people have said yes one worked but then others have said the same splitter hasnt, Any help?

[jagabo]

As for the unit the OP linked to, the one which you thought was identical to the one you have, the most recent post in the hdmi splitters thread states that this does NOT strip out hdcp.

I guess you're referring to this post:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/334145-HDCP-strippers?p=2271119&viewfull=1#post2271119

[brookey12]

Whoops didnt see that one thanks man really appreciate it ill keep ya updated on which one i get and if it works etc

[brookey12]

oh just read u posted that this one works http://www.amazon.com/CVID-BG-550-portable-Powered-Splitter/dp/B0089DVCT8?

[jagabo]

oh just read u posted that this one works http://www.amazon.com/CVID-BG-550-portable-Powered-Splitter/dp/B0089DVCT8?

Yes, I bought a CVID BG-550 from Amazon.com in Feb. of this year. Though when I bought it, it was sold by Amazon Marketplace seller "Great Elect", not directly by Amazon. So I don't know if the Amazon version is exactly the same model or not.

If you look at the customer reviews you'll see that user Anon7906 reported on Sep. 28 2013 that the device strips HDCP.

[brookey12]

A lot of people have said the splitters there seller are "HDCP protocol compliant" what does this actually mean?

[DB83]

The magic word is 'compliant'. Derived from 'comply' = to agree with the rules.

In the case of a splitter, it complies in the same way as if you simply plugged your hdcp enabled source direct in to a tv. If the tv was not compliant then it could not display a picture from a protected source. The spiller is meant to pass that protected signal though its own circruitry to the tv etc.

In tha case of the 3D unit you linked to, it states 'hdcp compliant' and it is now shown to be the case since a member of the forum bought one and it failed to strip the hdcp encryption from the signal.

That is not to say that some units claim to be compliant but still strip the signal. But, legally, that is a false claim.

[brookey12]

Ok so a little update i found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Switch-Splitter-Input-Output-1080p/dp/B006KZBC92/ref=pd_cp_ce_1

Messaged the bloke whos selling it and heres what we both had to say:


ME: Hi im interested in buying this item from you: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Switch-Splitter-Input-Output-1080p/dp/B006KZBC92/ref=pd_cp_ce_1
Before i do i need to make 1000% sure that this splitter will strip HDCP 100% as it will be useless to me if it doesn't strip HDCP,
So can you confirm that this will strip HDCP without fail please????
If it does ill buy right now. so if you can get back to me asap so i can buy asap, thanks
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards

Sellers Reply:
Hi ,

How are you,

Thank you for your email,yes ,the item is Fully HDCP protocol compliant,please don't worry about it.

Any question please let us know, we will do our best for you.

Best regards,
Henry


My Reply:


Can you tell me what HDCP protocol compliant actually means please?


Sellers Reply:


Hi ,


How are you,


Thank you for your email,It's mean the item can be working well with all HDCP protocol products.


Best regards,
Henry


My Reply:
Ok so this splitter will strip the HDCP and i WILL NOT receive the HDCP error when connecting it to my sky box is that 100% correct?


and thats it for the moment is that the right questions i should be asking him or do i need to put it in another way?
Also how do you give reputation points on this forum as id really like to give them to you and jagabo

[jagabo]

Ok so a little update i found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Switch-Splitter-Input-Output-1080p/dp/B006KZBC92/ref=pd_cp_ce_1

That looks just like the CVID BG-520 1x2 splitter so it's probably the same device.

[brookey12]

So it will work?

[brookey12]

Is there anything specific i should ask him or is what ive already said ok?