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  1. Hi,

    I've been a Youtube user for a long time and i still dont get it. As soon as I upload something copyrighted to youtube it gets deleted like in a few days. However, I happen to see the EXACT same thing uploaded by others with THOUSANDS of views, subscribers and they have been there a very long time. How come??

    In fact, I am a fansub and I am the ONLY ONE who upload some series and put them on the net, for direct download of course. Then some guy comes to my site, downloads it and uploads it to Youtube. They get thousands of visits for something I SUBBED, ENCODED and UPLOADED in the first place and the copyright holders NEVER take them down. But guess what? I do the same and my video is taken down in a couple days. Why?? It just blows my mind! And dont tell me these guys have permission to do that because i assure you, they DONT. They are just some random guys, the regular leechers. And they are not either mirroring the video or whatsoever, they are uploading the same way i did.

    So whats the catch? What method are they using? There MUST be a way-around because the proof is that they are getting away with it. Please tell me.

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    So we should discuss how to avoid getting copyrighted video removed from youtube?

    You have to find some other site for that. We are only copying our own material here...
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    Some copyright holders don't ask for things to get taken down. For example, the Beatles might just be the most litigious band that ever existed and even today with only 2 surviving members they still have world class lawyers. Yet it's not all that hard to find short, one song clips of unreleased songs by the group or as solo artists on YouTube. Beatles stuff usually gets left alone. I guess the group figures it's free publicity. Some artists do. Monty Python also feels that in general it is counter productive to go after fans. They created their official You Tube channel in response to unauthorized excerpts and they use the official channel to plug their videos. Prince, on the other hand, is one litigious bastard and he will go after you for using even tiny excerpts of his stuff.

    Some things just fall through the cracks. When you are dealing with maybe hundreds of millions of videos, your automated software to catch copyright violations will miss some. That is the nature of life.

    Let me ask you a question - what exactly is your point in uploading fansubs? Are you sincerely wanting to help people to see it? Or is it all so that YOU get the glory? I think it's the later. Until you can get to a point in your life where getting credit for this is not the reason you are doing it but simply to help others to see the videos is the reason you are doing it, you probably shouldn't be doing this. Your motivation is not what it needs to be if you are going to do this kind of thing. If you can get to a point where you are just glad that people are able to see your videos even if they aren't watching YOUR uploaded copies, then you are where you need to be in life. You anime guys are a special breed for sure. If I did this work, my main concern would be that somebody other than me at least benefit from seeing it, not that I get all the credit for it. In fact, to be honest with you, it's kind of in your interest to NOT get the credit for it because theoretically you could be sued for this kind of thing. I'm not saying you will, but it's possible. I wouldn't want anybody to be able to trace a fansub back to me at all if I did it.

    One final thing - I can't prove this, but I'm pretty sure that when You Tube removes something you upload on copyright reasons that they mark you as a potential future copyright violator and they spend extra attention on ALL your uploads. It may be the reality of the situation that you can't even again do an upload without You Tube giving it extra scrutiny and since the others may never have been caught yet, they get away with it because You Tube doesn't give their accounts extra attention. It's not fair, but that may be how it is.
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    Yeah, what's the purpose of uploading other people's creative works?
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  5. That's because the people uploading those videos are the copyright owners. This was exposed during the Viacom vs Google trial. I understand that you did the subs and in theory you might hold the copyright to that, but the original works owner might argue otherwise. In any case they surely feel that it's fair game for them to hijack your work the way you do theirs.
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  6. Originally Posted by budwzr View Post
    Yeah, what's the purpose of uploading other people's creative works?
    Perhaps getting paid for web traffic / views , advertisement revenue
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  7. No, as i said on my thread, these guys DONT OWN the rights by any means and in any way, and I can guarantee it because they have MY SUBS on it and my site logos all over the video so i want to know why youtube takes them down from my channel but not from them. It doesnt make sense. Do they have relatives working on youtube? No, i dont even think so. It really blows my mind.
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  8. I've seen cases where I think people uploaded videos before the company that really owned the videos joined YouTube's Content ID system so the same videos uploaded after that got removed but the earlier ones remained. They may not go back through all the YouTube videos looking for stuff they own.

    You're a little unclear as to the timing of these uploads, but it might apply here.
    ...and my site logos all over the video
    So, you deface your videos with logos? Then I haven't much sympathy for you. An annotation is one thing, a nasty logo quite another.

    How about this one? I upload a 1.33:1 video, a company (!) steals it, reencodes it to make it 'widescreen' (so everyone looks fat), they stick their nasty logo on it, reupload it, and then begin collecting advertising revenue on what was originally my public domain video. It's happened to me quite a lot.

    But I've noticed the same thing myself - my stuff being blocked for copyright infringement while someone else's video of the same thing remains. Hard to figure sometimes.

    Maybe your 'competitors' are reporting your videos so they can have a monopoly on them. That is, maybe it's not the company itself that's claiming ownership. You could do the same back to them. In my own genre people pull that crap all the time.
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    I gave you reasons why this might be happening, but you're not listening. Sucks to be you.

    You don't own "your" videos either, so it's not like you really have room to bitch here.
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    Originally Posted by poisondeathray View Post
    Originally Posted by budwzr View Post
    Yeah, what's the purpose of uploading other people's creative works?
    Perhaps getting paid for web traffic / views , advertisement revenue
    That's the lowest form of scummery, isn't it?

    And stickin' yer fakkakta logo on there too?

    That's almost as bad as those Apple Bassterds claiming to make stuff using drag and drop templates.
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  11. Originally Posted by manono View Post
    Maybe your 'competitors' are reporting your videos so they can have a monopoly on them.
    This seems the most likely scenario. Youtube doesn't remove videos until someone files a DMCA takedown notice. They don't verify the submitter of the takedown notice is the true copyright holder. They just take the video down.
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    If you're monetized and get caught, you're banned, and you'll never get monetized again. To get monetized you have to provide proof of who you are. So there's no way to fake it back in later, like the old days.

    Plus, YT will go after you to recover any revenue paid out. Same thing for clicking on your own ads. They have some kind of way to know if you're "workin'" the system.
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  13. Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    Originally Posted by manono View Post
    Maybe your 'competitors' are reporting your videos so they can have a monopoly on them.
    This seems the most likely scenario. Youtube doesn't remove videos until someone files a DMCA takedown notice. They don't verify the submitter of the takedown notice is the true copyright holder. They just take the video down.

    Hahaha That's funny!

    So supercain should "narc" out the people that "stole" his video that he "stole" and subbed in the first place ?

    Hmmm let me think about that one....

    Hahaha so go report their asses! LOL
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  14. Originally Posted by budwzr View Post
    If you're monetized and get caught, you're banned, and you'll never get monetized again. To get monetized you have to provide proof of who you are.
    Yes, they have fingerprinting software that can detect copyrighted audio tracks. So once, say, Prince, files a DMCA takedown notice for his songs, their fingerprints are added to the software. But until a takedown notice is filed a piece of music won't be in the database.
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  15. I heard about the audio fingerprint/detection algorithms, just wondering do they do that for video content as well ?
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  16. Originally Posted by poisondeathray View Post
    I heard about the audio fingerprint/detection algorithms, just wondering do they do that for video content as well ?
    I've never heard of them doing the same with video.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    So once, say, Prince, files a DMCA takedown notice for his songs, their fingerprints are added to the software. But until a takedown notice is filed a piece of music won't be in the database.
    I've tried changing the pitch and overdubbing a drum track, but they still detect copyright, so I gave up on it. Once, an audio track got processed and posted, no problemo, then a couple days later I got notice.
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    Originally Posted by poisondeathray View Post
    So supercain should "narc" out the ...
    Hahaha, maybe call the "Fuzz" too?
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    I saw on TV once that in Las Vegas they have face detection in their casino cameras. I wonder if they can detect Disney videos with a Mickey Mouse face as reference?
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  20. Originally Posted by budwzr View Post
    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    So once, say, Prince, files a DMCA takedown notice for his songs, their fingerprints are added to the software. But until a takedown notice is filed a piece of music won't be in the database.
    I've tried changing the pitch and overdubbing a drum track, but they still detect copyright
    I heard a +/- 15 percent tempo change would defeat their software. That was quite a while ago so it may be different now.
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  21. What about adjusting only the intro section ? Or do they scan the whole thing thoroughly ?

    I don't know much about fansubbing culture, but if that's what's happening at least some of them sound like a bunch of punk ass whiney bitches
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  22. Originally Posted by jman98 View Post
    I gave you reasons why this might be happening, but you're not listening.
    Maybe because you are a ******* idiot and your "reasons" are pure bullshit?

    I really dont understand Youtube policies, but you guys are right on one thing, seems like some ******* is reporting my videos so he can get all the views. I always considered that possibility so i guess the only thing to do is to return the favor and do the same with them.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    Originally Posted by poisondeathray View Post
    I heard about the audio fingerprint/detection algorithms, just wondering do they do that for video content as well ?
    I've never heard of them doing the same with video.
    But yes, they can do the same with video too. In the beginning of this year, I uploaded a small segment from a BBC documentary, subbed in Portuguese, for the blog of a friend of mine. I thought it would be a normal case of "fair use"... After the upload was completed, I was notified that El YouTubo had blocked the video *worldwide* Then I clicked on the delete button, of course.
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  24. Originally Posted by El Heggunte View Post
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    I heard about the audio fingerprint/detection algorithms, just wondering do they do that for video content as well ?
    I've never heard of them doing the same with video.
    But yes, they can do the same with video too. In the beginning of this year, I uploaded a small segment from a BBC documentary, subbed in Portuguese, for the blog of a friend of mine. I thought it would be a normal case of "fair use"... After the upload was completed, I was notified that El YouTubo had blocked the video *worldwide* Then I clicked on the delete button, of course.

    But you mean the audio commentary was dubbed in portugese ? Or "subbed" as in subtitles? But what about the background music? Maybe that's what they "detected" ?
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    I added Portuguese subtitles, the original audio remained intact. So yes, you're right, possibly/probably it was the audio and not the video that was detected by their copyrights robot.
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  26. Originally Posted by El Heggunte View Post
    I added Portuguese subtitles, the original audio remained intact. So yes, you're right, possibly/probably it was the audio and not the video that was detected by their copyrights robot.
    Yes, they detect the audio fingerprint, not the video directly.

    Here's an article I read about it a few years ago:
    http://www.scottsmitelli.com/articles/youtube-audio-content-id

    Again, that was a while back so things may have changed.
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    Interesting article.

    But eventually it's a dead end road to use other people's stuff. Imagine finally getting a viral video, but with a bootleg song, and then losing all the ad revenue. Then you'll really feel like a dumb ass.
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  28. They detect both video and sound, but thats when copyright holders have submitted their material previously so Youtube can scan every video right at the moment you submit it and in case it matches any copyrighted content it wont even upload. Thats called content ID and its automatic but in my case it was not automatic because it passed the copyright scan. It was deleted afterwards and manually, so it means either the copyright holders searched YouTube to find if there was any content of theirs online, or somebody reported it my video to them, they saw it and then complained to Youtube in order to have it removed.
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
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    I heard about the audio fingerprint/detection algorithms, just wondering do they do that for video content as well ?
    I've never heard of them doing the same with video.
    The Hunger Games folks sent me a notice (through YouTube) about this: http://youtu.be/STCKwxzL3VM
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