Recode with Handbrake w/DTS to AC3, audio sync/delay issues?

[WBFAir]

Hello all

I've been doing some re-encoding of my DVD's & Blu-Rays to mp4's with Handbrake so I can play them via my computer to Roku systems using myPlex.

Since most say there can be much less issues with AC3, and as most of the disks seem to have that to start with, I have been using AC3 passthru for the surround sound tracks for everything even if there were in some other form.

For most I haven't seen too bad of a problem with a delay on the Audio tracks, but just did a few big movies where DTS was the only track to start with on the Blu-Ray, but as mentioned, changed it to AC3...and with these I am seeing quite a bit of delay....kinda almost looks like some bad redubb of a foreign language.

So was just wondering if this might be as I'm going from DTS to AC3, or if there is some other issue I need to look at.

Would be nice to know as re-encode takes about 9 hours so trial an error can be time consuming.

Thanks for any help.

[enim]

it is kinda weird delay in DTS or ac3. Try remuxing.

[WBFAir]

Remuxing?

Sorry should have also posted I'm pretty new to all this stuff, so kinda need more newbie explanations. Again, sorry bout that...but I am learning.

[El Heggunte]

https://www.videohelp.com/glossary

I'm pretty new to all this stuff, so kinda need more newbie explanations

WBFAir

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[WBFAir]

https://www.videohelp.com/glossary

I'm pretty new to all this stuff, so kinda need more newbie explanations

WBFAir

Member

Join Date: Jan 2007

Yeah, have been a member of this "site" for some time, but look at my post total since 2007=38?

Just in the past few months have gotten a bunch of HD TV and SS entertainment stuff, and best of all, the Rokus. An then also setup a standalone PC to act as a server for plex to those Roku's

So now am going through all my older DVD stuff, and replacing what I can of that with Blu-Rays, and doing the work of encoding all that so it can play on all of the new stuff I bought.

So up to now, I have never done much of that...or at least for this purpose.

[WBFAir]

OK so as this was the answer, went to that section and was no def for ReMuxing.

So only thing found that was kinda close was this:

Demultiplex, Demultiplexing, Demux, Demuxing
Splitting the video and audio to separate files. Also called "Demux"

So really wasn't much of a answer, but as that is how this was played, did some googling and think this might be what is being talked about?

http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides/blu-ray-rip/256-remux-blu-ray-to-mkv


Then after that, use HandBrake to reduce the file via the x264?

Thanks

[Kerry56]

I prefer mkv over mp4, if for no other reason than I'm more familiar with the tools that work with mkv files. Do you absolutely need mp4?

Are you using constant, or variable framerate in Handbrake? Most advise not to use variable framerate. The High profile preset has variable framerate as default, so I made my own High preset with this on CFR so I don't have to remember to reset this particular item each time.

And there is a Preview button in Handbrake, so you can test your settings.

[Kerry56]

As far as demuxing and muxing again, I think enim was advising you to demux the mp4 file and try remuxing it. You can do this with MyMP4Box GUI.

[WBFAir]

I prefer mkv over mp4, if for no other reason than I'm more familiar with the tools that work with mkv files. Do you absolutely need mp4?

Are you using constant, or variable framerate in Handbrake? Most advise not to use variable framerate. The High profile preset has variable framerate as default, so I made my own High preset with this on CFR so I don't have to remember to reset this particular item each time.

And there is a Preview button in Handbrake, so you can test your settings.

Thanks for both of those replies Kerry56,

Yeah I have been wondering if maybe mkv's shouldn't be the way I should be doing these, started out with mp4's as supposedly those play on more things (?) but seems my Roku's and the myPlex work just fine with the mkv's and doubt I will be playing them on anything else other then my Roku's, so I wonder if I should start using those.

To your question, yes I have been using VFR (I think) as in some of the earlier encodes, I seem to have playback issues with the CFR. But maybe I wasn't doing something else right.

Anyway, below are two mediainfo files of the latest one with the worse issues if you care to take a look at them as they may give you more of the info you are looking for then me trying to know what to tell you, its a run of a Blu-Ray of A Fistful of Dollars btw.

The first is a report from the Org Blu-Ray m2ts file.

The second is the result I made from HandBrake via the options I used.

Btw, I kinda made one of my own profiles too, although for the changes I don't know if they're the best options for each section.

Basically mainly changed from the High profile, the Constant Quality from 20 to 19, the x264 preset from medium to slow and the x264 level from 4.0 to 4.1.

Again, am pretty green to all this stuff, but from the reading I thought these were slight changes that would give me some better results then the straight "High" profile, without going too much bigger in the file. In general they it seems to produce a file that is about 2/3 the original.

Btw, I am using a 3T drive for just storage. So while I do care some to have the files be smaller, a little bigger per each is not that big of a deal.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

[Kerry56]

The small changes you made in the settings in Handbrake should not have caused any issues, and should slightly improve your output. You've made two different audio streams in that mp4 file. Do both of them have problems staying in sync? Are they both the main movie audio, or does one have director commentary?

The original blu ray has several options for audio. The DTS HD MA and the core DTS are obviously the main audio options, but you have several AC3 files as well. Is one of them the main movie, or are they foreign language, or commentary tracks? If one of the AC3 streams is useable, you could simply pass it through without conversion. No way for me to distinguish them remotely.

You are using 5 reference frames in the encoding. This might cause slight issues depending on the decoder. I normally stick to 3 or 4. This is probably a minor quibble.

Again, I'd suggest using constant frame rate. You can find the control in the Video tab, right under the Framerate line. By the way, constant framerate is not the same as constant bitrate. You are using variable bitrate which is correct.

[jagabo]

The audio and video in an A/V file don't have to start at the same time. One or the other can have a delay flagged at the container level. Unfortunately, many players don't respect the delay flag in the MP4 container. Most players that support MKV do support the delay flag.

[WBFAir]

Thank for the reply Kerry56

The small changes you made in the settings in Handbrake should not have caused any issues, and should slightly improve your output. You've made two different audio streams in that mp4 file. Do both of them have problems staying in sync? Are they both the main movie audio, or does one have director commentary?

Again, am really new to this stuff and trying to find some of the best ways to do things, but certainly am learning as I go along. Anyway, with that in mind this is actually a good question albeit a little long, but think is worth the explanation.

Basically an I'm not sure if this is the reason why, but to explain I kinda gotta talk about the setup I am running the server too, for the three systems I have.

One is a full blown modern LED TV with 1080p capability all feed via HDMI cables through a new Yamaha HDMI amp. With this one, I am using a Roku3 via a HDMI.

The second is an old CRT-TV fed via a Roku HD which while it has a HDMI out, the only inputs the TV has are composite, and that Roku is one that has those outputs. But then I also am splitting the R/L sound to an older Yamaha surround sound amp which as I think I am using the mix down of Dolby on all the 2.0 channels in HB, is sending it that (?)

The last setup is also a old CRT-TV an that is via a Roku 2XS but has no SS system, or decoders in the TV, so is just straight R/L

So basically point is, to my layman's knowledge, I have one full blown SS system that can handle anything, a second that can take a R/L and I think if it has Dolby, decode a kinda fake SS, but that also uses straight R/L for the direct patch to the TV (which I actually watch in most of the time), and then a third that just likes R&L and has or uses no sound decoding at all.

So again, I really have no idea if what I'm doing is right, but the thing I found from some of the early encodes was...if I just went with say just a single 2.0 R&L or just a single 5.1, that some would have sound on the CRT-TV setups, but most would not.

So basically started doing the both as really as seemed to be the only way I was sure to get sound for both cases.

The original blu ray has several options for audio. The DTS HD MA and the core DTS are obviously the main audio options, but you have several AC3 files as well. Is one of them the main movie, or are they foreign language, or commentary tracks? If one of the AC3 streams is useable, you could simply pass it through without conversion. No way for me to distinguish them remotely.

Yeah again, I have no idea if this idea is the best one, but for this one film, all the AC3's while indeed yes, are some of other languages, but even for the English ones, they were listed as (2.0 ch). So could I have used those but then one of the Dolby Mix downs to help give proper SS??? Don't know as is kinda above my paygrade. But was just thinking since I paid to have a disk with the other better surround sound sources, I would try to use them. Again, have no issue if they are just as good or better, just thought that was the way to go.

You are using 5 reference frames in the encoding. This might cause slight issues depending on the decoder. I normally stick to 3 or 4. This is probably a minor quibble.

In looking at my Example 2 txt, am assuming this is where it reads: "Format settings, ReFrames 5 frames" ? Honistly I don't even know what that is or if I selected it, where I did this. If you tell me how to change this, I would do so.

Again, I'd suggest using constant frame rate. You can find the control in the Video tab, right under the Framerate line. By the way, constant framerate is not the same as constant bitrate. You are using variable bitrate which is correct.

Thanks will give it a try. Btw for this I believe all I do is selected that for the radio button of either Constant or Variable, which is to the left just under "Framerate (FPS)". In trying this I think it changes no other of the options correct (?), so just select that and will give me that.

One interesting point on this, if I recall I think most of my org media were all Constant, and I always wondered about changing it, but its just that most tutorials say to do this. But this film oddly was one of the first to be variable. So guess I'm just wondering if this would be best to do if the raw media is that?

Anyway, will be happy to give it a try.

Hope that wasn't all to long but this is the first time really I've corresponded with anyone about Handbrake and really don't know much about it, so greatly appreciate any advise.

Thanks

[WBFAir]

The audio and video in an A/V file don't have to start at the same time. One or the other can have a delay flagged at the container level. Unfortunately, many players don't respect the delay flag in the MP4 container. Most players that support MKV do support the delay flag.

Thanks jagabo, sounds like this would be another good reason to go with MKV over MP4???

[jagabo]

The MP4 container is controlled by Apple. Their main interest is in supporting as little as possible so they don't have to invest a lot of time in it.

[WBFAir]

The MP4 container is controlled by Apple. Their main interest is in supporting as little as possible so they don't have to invest a lot of time in it.

Yeah and again, this is from what little I know, but from all I read at least in regards to handbrake, both MP4 and MKV are just containers anyway (as he says that like he really knows what a container is).

But point is, really very little dif between the actual handbrake results inside either an that, that is what mattered (the insides) anyway?

Was also another reason I had been going with the MP4's as that was what I read but then just herd that more things played MP4's and that was really the "only" dif so just went with that.

But is that wrong?

[jagabo]

As you have surmised, MP4 and MKV are just containers. Whether Handbrake outputs to MP4 or MKV makes no difference in the quality of the audio and video if they are encoded the same. It doesn't matter if you put a cake in a cardboard box or a plastic box. It's still the same cake.

[WBFAir]

So guys, I took a real quick look at MP4 Box GUI, and just am wondering in my layman's terms.

Is the idea I'm supposed to do with this program lets say if it seems like my audio track is behind the video track in sync, is to use the program to open the finished MP4 Handbrake file I have....and/or essentially the MP4 container, which as the container has both a separate video file and a audio file inside. An then rebuild it where I delay the video track by what ever I might need too, all to essentially match up to the already delayed audio track....and then once done and put back together into a MP4 container by MP4 Box, will then all match up better?


Or basically can I do essentially the same thing but speed up or remove the delay from the audio track? Only reason I say that in the second is I'm just wondering if since the file was already built with the audio track delayed, it might not be possible to speed that up?


Thanks

[hello_hello]

There was another thread recently where someone said they were having audio sync issues with Handbrake and MP4, so maybe try MKV instead. Is the audio out of sync by the same amount all the way through?
If so you can apply an appropriate delay to the audio track to fix it. If you don't mind MKV, the easiest way would be to open an MP4 with MKVMergeGUI and apply a delay (positive or negative as required) to the audio, then resave it as an MKV (it only remuxes, no re-encoding). Doing that won't speed the audio up or slow it down, it changes the starting time relative to the video. You don't need to extract the audio or video from the MP4 first.
You might even try remuxing with MKVMergeGUI without adjusting the delay to see what happens.

You can open an MP4 with MPC-HC and use the + and - keys on the numeric keypad. MPC-HC should show the delay in the status bar. When the audio is in sync, use that delay when remuxing the MP4 with MKVMergeGUI.

Having said that, there should be no problem with audio sync. The encoding program should get it right. I don't use Handbrake myself though, so if it's getting it wrong I don't know why.

The idea of variable frame rate mode is to encode video without changing the frame rate. For example some video can be a mixture of film (23.976fps) and NTSC (29.970). Handbrake's variable frame rate setting will encode the video that way. The alternative is to convert the video to a common frame rate. Which frame rate would depend on the frame rate of the majority of the video in question. Whether all media players can play variable frame rate video in MP4/MKV files, I'm not sure. The program I use is designed for constant frame rate encoding so I haven't had much experience there. If the video is constant frame rate, I'd assume the Handbrake setting wouldn't make any difference. The output would still have a constant frame rate.

By the way, if memory serves me correctly, the audio sync for "A Fistful of Dollars" is absolutely terrible. It is pretty much one of those foreign language films with dubbed English. Have you watched the original video to see if it's any better?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars#Production
"Because A Fistful of Dollars was an Italian/German/Spanish co-production, there was a significant language barrier on the set. Leone did not speak English, and Eastwood communicated with the Italian cast and crew mostly through stuntman Benito Stefanelli, who also acted as an unlicensed interpreter for the production and would later appear in Leone's other pictures. Similar to other Italian films shot at the time, all footage was filmed silent and the dialogue and sound effects were dubbed over in post-production."

You shouldn't have any problems if you stick to Handbrake's High Profile preset. It uses the default settings for the x264 encoder. Unless one of your players refuses to play the video, I'd stick with that.
If file size is an issue try resizing to 720p instead of encoding at the full resolution. In my opinion most Bluray video doesn't have 1080p worth of picture detail... if anything they often only have 1080p worth of noise. I often resize to 720p when encoding, and when it comes to fine picture detail, the difference between 720p and 1080p when viewing the encoded video on my 51" plasma is often very negligible, if I can even pick the difference.
Handbrake lets you specify the start and end points for encoding, either by chapter, duration, or frame number (I think), so it'd probably be worth encoding a small section of video using different resolutions first to determine whether you need 1080p or you can get away with resizing down to 720p.

[WBFAir]

Hello all

Just want to thank everyone a great deal for all the replies, it's been very educational.

There was another thread recently where someone said they were having audio sync issues with Handbrake and MP4, so maybe try MKV instead.

So yesterday I worked on The Good, The Bad and The Ugly (got the trilogy Blu-Ray btw) and just out of curiosity, I decided to do it in MKV, and use the DTS passthru instead of changing it to AC3 5.1, but leave anything else the same from your guys suggestion to test, and from the little bit of the film I watched, this one too seems to have the same delay issue, (btw, more on this in the below quotes). Of these things I left was I made this still a VFR encode too as I am hoping to test that only next and see if any dif as would kinda like a more definitive thing to point too.

Is the audio out of sync by the same amount all the way through?

Well is kinda tough to say as all I've had time for was to watch about 20min of Fistful, but issue seemed to stay a equal amount for that time.

But a little more on this topic and again, more on this below on the subject of the raw movie, but what's kinda weird is how it does seem to be worse in some scenes the others, sometimes it seems not so bad, then a next scene is worse, then a next isn't so bad again. Just to mention too that while this movie is the worse, I have felt I've seen it in just about every other movie I have done. All in all its was almost too close to call and I just figured, it wasn't bad enough to care, but seeing as I saw it be so bad on this one, I thought I would see if there was anything I could do. But on that, whats funny is how many times (an this goes for the other films too) many other things seem to be right on the mark for sounds. Such as for instance, I have a lot of music Concert films so I see a lot of things such as the drummer playing, and from being one myself for many years, and seeing others on film, I kinda pride myself on picking up on mistakes made in films as well as timing, and all in all, feel those are usually right on the mark. Then too I think these Eastwood films are good for something as for the gun shots, and those seem to be quite in too. Its just for the talking where I seem to see the worse and its not just old stuff too as did all the Harry Potter movies in Blu-Ray recently, and for those the voices are just a hair off.

If so you can apply an appropriate delay to the audio track to fix it. If you don't mind MKV, the easiest way would be to open an MP4 with MKVMergeGUI and apply a delay (positive or negative as required) to the audio, then resave it as an MKV (it only remuxes, no re-encoding). Doing that won't speed the audio up or slow it down, it changes the starting time relative to the video. You don't need to extract the audio or video from the MP4 first.
You might even try remuxing with MKVMergeGUI without adjusting the delay to see what happens.

You can open an MP4 with MPC-HC and use the + and - keys on the numeric keypad. MPC-HC should show the delay in the status bar. When the audio is in sync, use that delay when remuxing the MP4 with MKVMergeGUI.

Actually didn't mean to wait to long to get to this but wanted to keep things in order for the quoting, but man wow, these suggestions seem like they are just what I could use! Will have to try this all out to report back, but if this does what you describe, this should really reduce if not take out the issues. An sounds like since it is not a complete recode, shouldn't take that long to do.

The idea of variable frame rate mode is to encode video without changing the frame rate. For example some video can be a mixture of film (23.976fps) and NTSC (29.970). Handbrake's variable frame rate setting will encode the video that way. The alternative is to convert the video to a common frame rate. Which frame rate would depend on the frame rate of the majority of the video in question. Whether all media players can play variable frame rate video in MP4/MKV files, I'm not sure. The program I use is designed for constant frame rate encoding so I haven't had much experience there. If the video is constant frame rate, I'd assume the Handbrake setting wouldn't make any difference. The output would still have a constant frame rate.

Thanks so much for the education on this hello_hello. So hopefully your still reading this so if you are I was just wondering a couple things, first, is the above still possibly true if the film I am working on, is listed as being in CFR? Typically I try to look at the film with MediaInfo first to see what it is, so just wonder if its in CFR, I can say its say to assume the above is not the case, an if in VFR, it might be, so really then could know if perhaps that could more dictate what to choose.

Second question I had was, if you don't mind telling me, which encoder do you use hello_hello?

By the way, if memory serves me correctly, the audio sync for "A Fistful of Dollars" is absolutely terrible. It is pretty much one of those foreign language films with dubbed English. Have you watched the original video to see if it's any better?

Actually oddly I have yet to get a Blu-Ray player. Kinda one of my whole points of going this route is I'm kinda sick of every few years the new thing comes out hardware wise, and then I have to spend tons of money say like for in this case, changing over all my DVD players to Blu-Ray players, when just three years ago, I did all the same for VHS to DVD. Anyway, even my Computer cannot play a straight Blu-Ray as I don't have a HD video card or monitor. So at this point all I can do is watch the copied m2ts file or mpls file, but typically they are about the same, but think this is pretty unreliable too as can depend a lot on the size of it as bigger put more load on the PC and I often find lagging skipping issues in the vid that don't come out on the TV.

But having said all that, I would say I would very much agree these movies are probably the worse things to look at for this as far as thinking they were perfect before. Actually its interesting as on the disks there are lots of extras on the making of these and many times in various ways, it is talked about the ways the films are, and dubbing and fixing that was done to them an all that. But all in all too, I think its kinda good too as these can be real teaching tools for me to learn about what I could do for ones that are less bad. All in all I might not be able to fix there 100%, but think I will learn a lot in getting them as close as possible.

If file size is an issue try resizing to 720p instead of encoding at the full resolution. In my opinion most Bluray video doesn't have 1080p worth of picture detail... if anything they often only have 1080p worth of noise. I often resize to 720p when encoding, and when it comes to fine picture detail, the difference between 720p and 1080p when viewing the encoded video on my 51" plasma is often very negligible, if I can even pick the difference.

Yeah the whole thing of learning the sizing thing has been a tough learn, mostly a lot of trial an error. One thing has been these 1920x1080 disks I spent all the extra to have and want to use as full as I can on the LED, but then also played on a CRT-TV which with these is like only using a 1/3 of the screen. All in all have played with HB a lot for this an about the only thing I have been able to find that helps a little if I try to keep the 1080p, is to crop about 200 points from the right and left. So for just a few I really want to be bigger on the CRT, I made a second film this way. Anyway, think that's a discussion for another thread. But just to say I think your pretty much right as stuff I have that is 720p too is pretty good and for what little I know of how to do (in other words am probably doing it wrong) I seem to be able to get the 720p's giving me more screen then the 1080's.

Handbrake lets you specify the start and end points for encoding, either by chapter, duration, or frame number (I think), so it'd probably be worth encoding a small section of video using different resolutions first to determine whether you need 1080p or you can get away with resizing down to 720p.

Yeah the preview works pretty good for this too and I often use it even for just say 10sec when working on a completely new series, and then use mediainfo to check my results.


Anyway, know that was super huge but just want to touch on all the great topics you took so much time to educate me on.

I think over all the info on that MKVMergeGUI an how to check/work that before with MPC-HC may be all just what I'm looking for so thanks big for that.

An for all that other stuff too and please feel free to comment on any more if you like, but I know its a huge amount of info too so please don't feel you have to.

Thanks again everyone.

[hello_hello]

But a little more on this topic and again, more on this below on the subject of the raw movie, but what's kinda weird is how it does seem to be worse in some scenes the others, sometimes it seems not so bad, then a next scene is worse, then a next isn't so bad again. Just to mention too that while this movie is the worse, I have felt I've seen it in just about every other movie I have done.

Yeah I'm sure the whole "Dollars Trilogy" is just badly dubbed in terms of audio sync. Nothing you can do about it because that's the way it is. When it comes to more "normal" movies I can't say what's going on. I guess all you can really do is play the original ripped files (m2ts or MKV or whatever format they're ripped to) and compare them to the encoded version. If your PC/video card is up to it, you can play them both at the same time. MPC-HC has an option to use a new instance of the player for each video, so you can open the source video and the encoded version and play them side by side.
I sometimes do that if I'm not sure about the audio sync. It can take a little stopping and starting to get them both synced up, but when the audio of each is pretty well synced you can tell, as it produces a "phasing" type effect. Then you can just watch the video to see if scene changes happen at the same time. If they do, the video/audio sync of the original and encoded versions is the same.
If the video and audio from the disc are ripped as individual files, you might need to combine them first with MKVMergeGUI.
A tip for MPC-HC.... by default it's set so that a single click on the video pauses and restarts it, while a double click switches to full screen and back again. I change the fullscreen option to a middle click. That way you can pause and restart the video quickly by double clicking on it without the player switching to fullscreen mode and back again instead.

Its just for the talking where I seem to see the worse and its not just old stuff too as did all the Harry Potter movies in Blu-Ray recently, and for those the voices are just a hair off.

Sometimes you can over-analyse things and see/hear something which isn't there. I've done it enough times.
It takes a reasonable amount before you can reliably detect audio sync issues but it probably also depends a lot on how much you've "trained yourself" to look for them. I can usually tell when the audio sync is out by anything more than 50ms, but sometimes I've thought it was out and been wrong. Once it hits the 100ms mark it's usually obvious to me.

Thanks so much for the education on this hello_hello. So hopefully your still reading this so if you are I was just wondering a couple things, first, is the above still possibly true if the film I am working on, is listed as being in CFR? Typically I try to look at the film with MediaInfo first to see what it is, so just wonder if its in CFR, I can say its say to assume the above is not the case, an if in VFR, it might be, so really then could know if perhaps that could more dictate what to choose.

Second question I had was, if you don't mind telling me, which encoder do you use hello_hello?

I think MediaInfo tends to obtain a lot of info by reading what's written to the video stream itself, or by just looking at the beginning of it, so for some things I wouldn't take what it says as gospel. Aspect ratio for example... it does a lot of rounding.
The majority of "films" are probably CFR from start to finish. TV shows are a little more likely not to be, but there's no hard and fast rule. To be honest I live in PAL land where everything's pretty much either 25fps interlaced or 25fps progressive, so I'm no expert on NTSC.

I use MeGUI myself. It's not as straightforward to use as Handbrake, and it's definitely not a "magic bullet" as such when it comes to encoding without issue. It doesn't matter how you encode you'll bump into problems now and then, but I guess it's like anything.... the more often you do it the more tricks you'll pick up for working around problems.
Anyway, MeGUI is an AVIsynth based encoder, and AVISynth expects to work with CFR video. There's ways around that, but generally you'd convert video which is a mixture of "film" and "NTSC" to a constant frame rate.

All in all I might not be able to fix there 100%, but think I will learn a lot in getting them as close as possible.

If the audio sync in the original isn't right, there's no real "fix" unless you want to start editing the audio itself. Ideally the audio/video sync should be the same as the original.

But just to say I think your pretty much right as stuff I have that is 720p too is pretty good and for what little I know of how to do (in other words am probably doing it wrong) I seem to be able to get the 720p's giving me more screen then the 1080's.

If the aspect ratio remains the same after cropping and resizing (which it should if the cropping is the same each time), it should fill the screen (or not) in exactly the same way whether it's resized to 1080p, 720p or 480p etc.
The one exception there might be "overscanning". Traditionally TVs overscan, which effectively means the picture is displayed using a larger size than the actual screen, so some of the picture each side and/or top and bottom actually extends beyond the screen. PCs don't overscan when displaying video, which is why when viewing a DVD on a PC you'll often see "crud" around the edges of the video you don't see when watching it using a DVD player/TV. Some hardware players also overscan themselves. There's a possibility a hardware player mightn't overscan while displaying 1080p video but it will for lower resolutions.

[WBFAir]

Hello, hello_hello & others.

Just wanted to reply to say thank you for all your help and info.

Over all there's probably some direct responses to each of the above that I could make, but am a little pressed for time.

But as well, last night I got a chance to sit down and watch the rest of Fistful, and like you were saying, just took the sound being off as not so bad and thus wasn't all that displeased with it.

Also should say too that I got a chance to watch more of the nice extras the BD Trilg comes with, and in many parts of them it talks about the dubbing and how off they were with it. Another good point for any others looking at this film is they even talked about all the dif nationalities of the actors on the film and how most actually spoke their lines in what ever tough they spoke.

Was kind of a trick I think as since the film was made kinda equally with Italian, Spanish & German money, and with mainly actors from those three countries in it and thus expected releases in all those places, essentially this saved on the redubbing as they didn't need to redubb for those actors for those releases....kinda smart when you think of things from that part.

But then put them all into English, and all but I think mostly Clint as was not needed being low budget redubbs, and there you go.

Anyway, guess I'm making a long story out of while I learned a lot with all this, I think I'm actually going to keep them just as they are for now. Might be a good project to play with down the road, but I think I agree with you more that any messing is probably not going to fix things much, or at least without major trade offs someplace else.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to all though for all the info.

[Casey B]

I had this same sync issue. Kerry56 has the answers. CFR instead of VFR. Make sure Reference Frames (Advanced Tab) is set to Default 3. These two settings adjustments made all the difference. Thank you Kerry56.