Best HDMI Capture Device for Satellite TV, Games & PC?

[SHS]

60,000kbs is the same as saying 60Mbps (MegaBits per sec) they were just dramatising it a bit.
thus, 60Mbps has penty of headroom for 480Mbps i/o throughput.

look at it this way:

60/8 = 7.5MB
60,000/8 = 7,500kbps

7.5Mb and 75000kbps is saying the same thing.

My bad more like this
byte = 60000000
kilobyte [KB] = 60000
megabyte [MB] = 60

bits = 480000000
kilobit = 480000
megabit = 480

Max on HD-PVR
byte = 14000000
kilobyte [KB] = 14000
megabyte [MB] = 14

bits = 112000000
kilobit = 112000
megabit = 112

[jagabo]

Max on HD-PVR
byte = 14000000
kilobyte [KB] = 14000
megabyte [MB] = 14

No, the max the HD PVR puts out is 14 Mb/s, not 14 MB/s. From an HD PVR 2 cap:



30 Mb/s from an Elgato HD Game Capture HD:

[VideoFanatic]

Correct after all. Never even noticed that before for some reason. I was always thinking in MB with regards to copying stuff between USB hard drives. Does that program tell you what the MB bitrate is from Mbps as that would be useful?

[SHS]

I See ops I guest I'm get to old and to blind

[jagabo]

Does that program tell you what the MB bitrate is from Mbps as that would be useful?

MB = Mb / 8

[vhelp]

let me repost again:

Mbps    Kbps   div   max MB/s datarate over usb2
12      12000   8       1.5 -- hauppauge 250/350
13.5    13500   8       1.6 -- hauppauge hdpvr-1/2
15      15000   8       1.8
30      30000   8       3.7 -- elgato
60      60000   8       7.5 -- avermedia c875
120     120000  8      15.0
240     240000  8      30.0
480     480000  8      60.0 -- usb-2 max

MB, Megabyte
Mb, Megabit
KB, Kilobyte
Kb, Kilobits

[SHS]

jagabo I was going ask you early dose that Elgato HD Game Capture HD have directshow support?

[SHS]

Its a new beta software (RE CENTRAL). They claim record 60mbps really.

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Claudio

Where this at?.
I was going ask you early do you have one and it have directshow support?.

[Cauptain]

Its a new beta software (RE CENTRAL). They claim record 60mbps really.

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Claudio

Where this at?.
I was going ask you early do you have one and it have directshow support?.

Rectification based on Avermedia Forum post: http://forum.avermedia.com/index.php?threads/live-gamer-hd-recording-quality-improvement.13/

Recording 60Mb in hardware is only possible on the board C985, aka Avermedia Live Gamer HD

There is no plans for other boards.





Claudio

[vhelp]

older generation capture cards (ie wintv-go) were vfw (driver) support, and some (capture cards) were both vfw and directshow. but all the newer generation of capture cards/devices have directshow support. or, look at it another way.. if you can graph it, (through graphedit) then it has directshow support.

[Cauptain]

My only certainty: Never will trade my Aver C027 by these newer models when need to record 720p/1080i.

Record AVI lossless is very necessary for me.



Claudio

[SHS]

Rectification based on Avermedia Forum post: http://forum.avermedia.com/index.php?threads/live-gamer-hd-recording-quality-improvement.13/

Recording 60Mb in hardware is only possible on the board C985, aka Avermedia Live Gamer HD

There is no plans for other boards.

Claudio

I see and I would have believe you in first place if you has said it was PCIe I though you was ref to USB model, I know PCIe can do it because it handle in theoretical speed 250 MB/s.
Dose it directshow support?.

[SHS]

My only certainty: Never will trade my Aver C027 by these newer models when need to record 720p/1080i.

Record AVI lossless is very necessary for me.

Claudio

But that not even a Hardware Encoder

[Cauptain]

I see and I would have believe you in first place if you has said it was PCIe I though you was ref to USB model, I know PCIe can do it because it handle in theoretical speed 250 MB/s.
Dose it directshow support?.

Yes. Its have DS support.

Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lCPlXyNec

But that not even a Hardware Encoder

I agree but Highest quality >>>>>> hardware encoder




Claudio

[SHS]

I see and I would have believe you in first place if you has said it was PCIe I though you was ref to USB model, I know PCIe can do it because it handle in theoretical speed 250 MB/s.
Dose it directshow support?.

Yes. Its have DS support.

Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lCPlXyNec

But that not even a Hardware Encoder

I agree but Highest quality >>>>>> hardware encoder

Claudio

That not the Avermedia Live Gamer HD C985

[NickR]

I would like to be able to record up to 1080p from the Xbox 360, PS3, PC, Satellite TV at up to 30 Mbps. Can anyone suggest the best HDMI capture device for the job? I know I can record games on the PC with Fraps but that only works for games.

I'm thinking about a "HD PVR 2 Gaming Editing Plus" as this can record HDMI & Component with 5.1 surround. It can record 5.1 surround via HDMI. However as far as I can see it can only record at a maximum video bitrate of 15 Mbps. Is that correct? Is there different software I could use to record at a higher bitrate? I remember using a DVR Satellite box which allowed copying unencrypted UK Sky HD recordings onto my PC and when I used MediaInfo on my sports programme it said the bitrate was 29 Mbps so I don't think the 15 Mbps bitrate limit of the HD PVR would be enough.

To record Satellite TV and the PS3 via HDMI I would be using a HDMI stripper. I've heard this device works, can anyone confirm that? I would prefer a device that has HDMI in and HDMI out instead of having video and audio separately with DVI and optical.

Hi, I was wondering if you had any success finding a solution to your question. I can record SD from my shy hd box to a pvr via SCART but find the quality very poor. What I would like to do is copy the Sky recording via HDMI so I get at least 1080i video.

I am looking at getting a Avermedia Live Gamer Portable and a 1 to 2 HDMI Splitter. What would be great if the ALGP would record in PC Free mode so I don't have to hook it up to a laptop.


Thanks

Nick

[VideoFanatic]

Avoid using capture devices altogether and get this satellite receiver: VU+ Duo 2 (£500). It can record 4 channels such as Sky HD at once and it lets you copy and paste unencrypted recordings onto your PC.

The only other option is the HD PVR 2 (HDMI) because that's the only device that can can record audio in the AC3 format and it gives 5.1 surround. The other devices don't give Bluray compliant audio. Elgato for example records in 2 channel AAC. To record via HDMI you'll need a HDMI stripper. I bought this but haven't tested it yet: HDMI 1.3 1x2 1 to 2 1080P 3D Splitter Amplifier 1 in 2 out for Dual Display (HDCP Stripper) from acepurchase on Ebay. Also on Amazon (some people said they got the wrong model hence bad reviews): http://www.amazon.com/splitter-ports-swither-XBOX360-Blu-ray-Xbox/dp/B003UYOEMI

Or get this as a last resort which I don't want to use as it doesn't contain all the video and audio in 1 input: Cables Unlimited Pro A/V Series DVI and Digital Audio to HDMI

Personally I would always record in 720p because sports footage looks worse in 1080i. HD PVR 2 records in 720p 60fps. The other devices will probably do that too.

[NickR]

Avoid using capture devices altogether and get this satellite receiver: VU+ Duo 2 (£500). It can record 4 channels such as Sky HD at once and it lets you copy and paste unencrypted recordings onto your PC.

The only other option is the HD PVR 2 (HDMI) because that's the only device that can can record audio in the AC3 format and it gives 5.1 surround. The other devices don't give Bluray compliant audio. Elgato for example records in 2 channel AAC. To record via HDMI you'll need a HDMI stripper. I bought this but haven't tested it yet: HDMI 1.3 1x2 1 to 2 1080P 3D Splitter Amplifier 1 in 2 out for Dual Display (HDCP Stripper) from acepurchase on Ebay. Also on Amazon (some people said they got the wrong model hence bad reviews): http://www.amazon.com/splitter-ports-swither-XBOX360-Blu-ray-Xbox/dp/B003UYOEMI

Or get this as a last resort which I don't want to use as it doesn't contain all the video and audio in 1 input: Cables Unlimited Pro A/V Series DVI and Digital Audio to HDMI

Personally I would always record in 720p because sports footage looks worse in 1080i. HD PVR 2 records in 720p 60fps. The other devices will probably do that too.

Thanks for getting back to me, I'm not fussed about 5.1 because I mainly want to record sport. The hdmi splitter you have is available on eBay uk. I'll probably order that one as it looks the same as what a lot of gamers are using. I guess most of them are the same but badged differently ?

This is the splitter I ordered, these seem to be the most common listed on ebay and amazon http://r.ebay.com/NgPrmS

Thanks

[zapster]

[code]Mbps Kbps div max MB datarate over usb2
12 12000 8 1.5 -- hauppauge 250/350
13.5 13500 8 1.6 -- hauppauge hdpvr-1/2
15 15000 8 1.8
30 30000 8 3.7 -- elgato
60 60000 8 7.5 -- avermedia c875
120 120000 8 15.0
240 240000 8 30.0
480 480000 8 60.0 -- usb-2 max

Anyone know the max bitrate for the

AVerMedia - C285 Game Capture HD II Recorder

[jagabo]

Mbps    Kbps   div   max MB/s datarate over usb2
480     480000  8      60.0 -- usb-2 max

That's the instantaneous bitrate. Real world throughput, after ECC, handshake, etc., is only about half that.

[SHS]

[code]Mbps Kbps div max MB datarate over usb2
12 12000 8 1.5 -- hauppauge 250/350
13.5 13500 8 1.6 -- hauppauge hdpvr-1/2
15 15000 8 1.8
30 30000 8 3.7 -- elgato
60 60000 8 7.5 -- avermedia c875
120 120000 8 15.0
240 240000 8 30.0
480 480000 8 60.0 -- usb-2 max

Anyone know the max bitrate for the

AVerMedia - C285 Game Capture HD II Recorder

18 18000 8 2.2 Hauppauge Rocket
20 20000 8 2.4 Hauppauge Colossus
My guest is 20 20000 8 2.4 AVerMedia C285 Game Capture HD II Recorder
It has very nice listed of features in fact there the same features I ask Hauppauge to do just of a years ago to bad they didn't listen to me in first place so make wonder if Avermedia was spying on my email , Boy Avermedia is really going/gunning after Hauppauge but there one thing they always keep forget to add which Hauppauge have and that is Composite/S-Video inputs so to bad AVerMedia your product is useless for Retro Game/Other Devices

[zapster]

I finally found the manual. Looks the same as the C875.

[SHS]

I finally found the manual. Looks the same as the C875.

Hehe I give him the clue in my post and not the same as C875

[zapster]

This is the screenshot from the C285 user manual

[SHS]

This is the screenshot from the C285 user manual

See Page English-13? it list all bitrate.

[zapster]

See Page English-13? it list all bitrate.

so the manual has a conflict


Anyone own this device to confirm which is correct?

[SHS]

See Page English-13? it list all bitrate.

so the manual has a conflict


Anyone own this device to confirm which is correct?

No there no conflict it say in the screenshot
Mbps Kbps div max MB datarate
7.5 7.500 8 0.8 with MAX of 20 20000 8 2.4 unlike the c875 which lists a much higher bitrate

[zapster]

On the C285 the options for bitrate vary depending on the source resolution which is why the screeshot above shows 7.5 Mb/sec. That is what you see if the source is 480i or 480p.

Max on this unit is 20Mbps with 1080p and 720p sources. 1080i source max is 15Mbps.

[zapster]

On the C285 the recording resolution is automatically based on the source resolution. I searched all the menus and could not find an option to change recorded resolution which is a problem for me because my source is 1080p but I only want to record at 720p.

Does anyone know of competing devices that let the user select the recorded bitrate and and resolution?

[VideoFanatic]

On the C285 the recording resolution is automatically based on the source resolution. I searched all the menus and could not find an option to change recorded resolution which is a problem for me because my source is 1080p but I only want to record at 720p.

Does anyone know of competing devices that let the user select the recorded bitrate and and resolution?

Elgato and HD PVR.