burning mp3 songs to a cd

[TrackingError]

loa909, you're right. It'd probably be easier for you to just burn a few CD's. It looks like you are somewhat confused as to what you're doing here, and I think it'd be easier for all involved if you just burn multiple CD's rather than messing around with CUE files.

My two cents. Not trying to be rude, just a suggestion.

Best of luck!

[loa909]

loa909, you're right. It'd probably be easier for you to just burn a few CD's. It looks like you are somewhat confused as to what you're doing here, and I think it'd be easier for all involved if you just burn multiple CD's rather than messing around with CUE files.

My two cents. Not trying to be rude, just a suggestion.

Best of luck!

i will just do as suggested burn 10 on 1 cd 10 on another

many thanks to all who have helped here its most appreciated

[Cornucopia]

MAN, there is a LOT of misinformation and 1/2 truths going on here!!! How quickly they forget.

CDs can contain AUDIO (RedBook), MOVIES (WhiteBook), or General Data (Yellow & Orange Books).

A standard 700MB burnable CD disc can contain ~360,000 sectors. RedBook formatting uses 2352Bytes/Secotr, WhiteBook (movie portion) uses 2324, Yellow/OrangeBook uses 2048.
So clearly this translates to 807MB available for AudioCDs, but only 703MB when used for Data!

Since all RedBook AudioCDs use LPCM audio (NOT WAV files, but close enough), and stereo LPCM audio uses 176400Bytes/second, the max available time is: ~80Min. (not 70).

Since General Data discs (aka YellowBook) don't have to have a particular format, one can place MP3 files directly in them. And in that case, the # of MP3 files that can be put on varies according to their bitrate & running time (using the universal rule: FILESIZE=BITRATE * RUNNING TIME).
So, for example, if you have 703MB available, and you were to use ONLY 128kbps MP3 files, you would have ~749 Minutes available capacity on the disc, which usually works out to ~220 songs (each song averaging 3.4Minutes).

If you decided to put WAV files on a YellowBook DataCD disc instead of MP3 files, you would still only have 703MB to work with. And since WAV has a slight overhead, you would only have ~69Min. available, or ~=20 songs of 3.4Min. each.
As was mentioned, you CANNOT put WAV files directly on an AudioCD (though you can header-strip & byte-reorder them to get the necessary raw LPCM audio files, and most AudioCD burning apps will do this directly/automatically).

BTW, ImgBurn is GREAT for burning either audio or data or movie CDs. Probably one of the best, if not the best. But it DOES NOT convert. One has to do that in a different program, just like one has to convert video files & author (in a separate app) in order to properly burn DVD-Video.

Whatever you've got to start with, choose whether you are using AudioCD or General DataCD. Then COUNT up the RUNNING TIME (not filesize), if you are using AudioCD format (remembering max capacity = 80min), or just count total filesize if you are using General DataCD format (remembering max capacity =703MB). Break up your stuff to fit and use multiple discs if it doesn't fit.

THE END.

Scott

[hech54]

BTW, ImgBurn is GREAT for burning either audio or data or movie CDs. Probably one of the best, if not the best. But it DOES NOT convert. One has to do that in a different program, just like one has to convert video files & author (in a separate app) in order to properly burn DVD-Video.

ImgBurn does convert various types of audio "files" (mp3, etc etc) to create a playable audio CD.

[Noahtuck]

MAN, there is a LOT of misinformation and 1/2 truths going on here!!! How quickly they forget.

BTW, ImgBurn is GREAT for burning either audio or data or movie CDs. Probably one of the best, if not the best. But it DOES NOT convert. One has to do that in a different program, just like one has to convert video files & author (in a separate app) in order to properly burn DVD-Video.

ImgBurn does convert various types of audio "files" (mp3, etc etc) to create a playable audio CD.

Oops!!


LOL!!

I was amazed at how hard this thread was making a simple procedure

[Cornucopia]

BTW, ImgBurn is GREAT for burning either audio or data or movie CDs. Probably one of the best, if not the best. But it DOES NOT convert. One has to do that in a different program, just like one has to convert video files & author (in a separate app) in order to properly burn DVD-Video.

ImgBurn does convert various types of audio "files" (mp3, etc etc) to create a playable audio CD.

Not exactly. Here is a quote from LightningUK!:

ImgBurn relies on DirectShow / ACM for decoding your audio files.

As such, you'll need to have the appropriate filters installed for the types of files you'll be burning.

Support for MP3, PCM, WAV and WMA should be built into Windows - at least it is on XP / Vista / 7.

For other file types, try the following:

AAC - CoreAAC - http://www.free-codecs.com/download/CoreAAC_Directshow_filter.htm
AAC - ORBAN - http://www.orban.com/plugin/ or http://www.free-codecs.com/download/aac_aacplus_player_plugin.htm
APE - Monkey's Audio - http://www.monkeysaudio.com/
FLAC - madFlac - http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=130498
M4A - CoreAAC - http://www.free-codecs.com/download/CoreAAC_Directshow_filter.htm
M4A - ORBAN - http://www.orban.com/plugin/ or http://www.free-codecs.com/download/aac_aacplus_player_plugin.htm
MPC - Radlight - http://www.free-codecs.com/download/RadLight_MPC_DirectShow_Filter.htm
OGG - CoreVorbis - http://www.free-codecs.com/download/CoreVorbis.htm
OGG - Radlight - http://www.free-codecs.com/download/RadLight_Ogg_Media_DirectShow_filter.htm
OGG - xiph - http://www.xiph.org/dshow/
WV - WavPack - http://www.wavpack.com/downloads.html or http://code.google.com/p/wavpack-directshow/downloads

This means that ImgBurn ONLY decodes (to uncompressed LPCM), and only decodes using existing installed Directshow filters. If you want to generalize and say: "that's converting", then OK. But strictly speaking, if there were no MP3, WMA, nor flac Dshow decoders installed on a PC, Imgburn wouldn't know what to do with them. It would be as hard as creating a CUE sheet made up of PPT files. Since it wouldn't have the filter to hand off to, to do the decoding (externally), it would just croak.

Scott

p.s.: Note also that resulting decoded PCM audio quality is totally based on the decoding D-show filter, not ImgBurn.

[redsandvb]

In case he hasn't had any luck yet, he could also try Burrrn, http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4. As long as the CD is an 80 min. one, should be as easy as drag-n-drop, click burrrn. Unless the last .26 secs is too long...

[hech54]

This means that ImgBurn ONLY decodes (to uncompressed LPCM), and only decodes using existing installed Directshow filters. If you want to generalize and say: "that's converting", then OK.

Unless directshow can compile/arrange mp3 files in my specific order, CONVERT them to .wav, and burn them to a playable CD on it's own.....then yes ImgBurn converts MP3 files to give me a playable audio CD.
Anything else is being an argumentative jerkoff trying to be right(correct) AT ANY COST.

[johns0]

So i guess programs such as audacity which relies on lame for converting files to mp3 so that's a generalization saying that if lame wasn't installed audacity wouldn't know what to do?Most if not all encoding/decoding processes used by other programs are done by using D-show filters and others.

[hech54]

This reminds me of the "everything is a program" argument of many moons ago.
But I do agree....this should have been "nipped in the bud" a long time ago. If in this day and age a person thinks that the size of an MP3 file(s) correlates in any way to what will fit on an audio CD....that person needs to step away from the computer.

[Cornucopia]

Whatever. I'm willing to concede to the point if you want, but think about this:
What about apps that can use AVISynth to frameserve into them? Would you advertise (and expect to troubleshoot & take the responsibility for) their ability to read all kinds of files and do all kinds of processing/maniplation with them that the app cannot normally do without it?
Or a GUI frontend to a CLI app. Is the GUI truly capable of doing those tasks that it relies on the CLI app to do? Food for thought.

(I was going to respond with a flip pot/kettle remark, but slept on it. That helped.)

Anyway, I hope the OP is on the right track...

Scott

[hech54]

Whatever. I'm willing to concede to the point if you want, but think about this:
What about apps that can use AVISynth to frameserve into them? Would you advertise (and expect to troubleshoot & take the responsibility for) their ability to read all kinds of files and do all kinds of processing/maniplation with them that the app cannot normally do without it?

I certainly never recommend AviSynth to newbies if that is what you mean...

Look....you are a smart guy and you know MUCH more of the technical aspects of many things than I ever will....but getting into a discussion about the technical aspects of ImgBurn's use and reliance on what I rightly or wrongly consider "codecs" in a discussion with a person who doesn't know that MP3 file file sizes have ZERO to do with audio CDs is partly why this thread went sour.
T.M.I. - too much information.

[Cornucopia]

No I didn't mean anything by it (just hypothetical)...
Yeah, I see the irony.

Scott

[enim]

Only a few relevant replies out of 42 responses.

is there a program which allows you to fit 20 mp3 songs on a cd as I use Ashampoo

Any program like Ashampoo capable of burning audio cd in accordance with Red-Book would do that as long as your total running time is less than or equal to 79.57 minutes, or 74 minutes to be safe, including 2 second pause.

it says its too many songs and to remove some. but I need the 20 songs on the cd
the total size of all 20 songs is 89.6mb on Ashampoo all 20 songs say duration 80.26

You can edit one, two or more songs in any good audio editor and shorten total running length to 79.57 minutes (74 min safe value) instead of 80.26 min. If so, you can have 20 songs on a CD. Alternatively you can drop a song and have 19 songs on a CD.

RED-BOOK READY REFERENCE

Back in 1990 Sony and Philips jointly introduced the standards for a a universal medium for distributing digitized music called Red Book a.k.a CD-DA (Compact Disc-Digital Audio).

* Maximum playing time is 79:57 minutes. But,74:00 minutes to be safe.
* Maximum number of tracks allowed is 99.
* Minimum duration for a track is 4 seconds, including a 2-second pause.
* All tracks must be written on discs by using Disc-At-Once (DAO) mode.

Now a days MP3 CD players, DiVX certified DVD players, and compact mp3 players are capable of playing mp3 audio tracks directly. You can have mp3 audio CD upto 700 MB with more than 99 songs.

According to my personal experience, I would like to listen mp3 directly in mp3 compatible player rather than making a Audio CD. Conversion Audio CD to mp3 is OK. But, mp3 to Audio CD never regain full audio spectrum like original.

OP might have figured out already by now, as I am too late to join this party.

[Cornucopia]

That max playtime is BS! I have a couple of commercial, pressed discs in my colllection that are 80-81 min. And when burning CDs was popular, this and other sites were rife with ways to overburn, or use 90 or even 99 min burnables - though support got more flakey as you venture further away from the spec. However, the coding system does allow for time numbering up to 99:59 if there were normal space available.

And AudioCDs have been able to do not only disc-at-once, but track-at-once and session-at-once burning for over well a decade now (with a few additional restrictions).

Plus, most glaringly false of all: RedBook started in 81-82. (I bought my first player & 10 discs in 83, so I'm quite sure of that). You are almost a decade too late in you estimation.

Use a better resource & get your facts straight if you want to be helpful...

Scott

[hech54]

Agreed.

[enim]

OK guys u r right as always!
My reply may not up to the date as I dumped audio CDs decades ago.