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    Originally Posted by gll99 View Post
    . . . but fortunately there is a solution in Firefox with Adblock Plus. As soon as I filtered the url in the "AD blocking Rule" the problem was gone.
    AdBlock turned into a pale shadow of its former self. I switched to Trueblock. Also a fan of NoScript.
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    I just installed the latest version of Imgburn on a friend's computer, and was dismayed to see them installing another seedy hack toolbar with no option to refuse. "Entrusted Toolbar" is garbage as it is, but it also changed my home page to its own with no warning. Yes, it was easily removed in Firefox after, but this cannot end well. Eventually Imgburn will resort to more seedy software that will pay more money. Too bad, it really makes me feel bad. I was dumb enough to actually trust them, unlike all other software companies.
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    I didn't use the Express Install, I always use the custom install. It gave no option, it was "my way or the highway". Too bad, I guess Imgburn Sold Out.
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    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
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    Originally Posted by ranchhand View Post
    I didn't use the Express Install, I always use the custom install. It gave no option, it was "my way or the highway". Too bad, I guess Imgburn Sold Out.
    I just updated Imgburn the other day, and I did have the option to not install the toolbar or change my homepage. Possible you missed it or misclicked somewhere?
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    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
    Brain surgery is always easy to those who know how to do it. Yes, as an IT guy I could certainly do that. But...
    1) We have a lot of members who simply do not have the knowledge to do this. Period. If got friends who if they were threatened with death unless they did this, they would surely die from being completely unable to even get started trying to do it.
    2) There's nothing to stop Lightning UK! from deliberately writing the install program so that it won't work if any components are stripped out.
    3) Really, we shouldn't HAVE to do this in the first place to get around the area of concern.

    My suggestion is that maybe Lightning UK! can offer a "completely crapware free" version of ImgBurn that people can pay for. I strongly suggest that such a version be entitled to free upgrades as I know everybody who pays for it is not going to be happy to have to keep paying to get newer versions without crapware. I get that he goes to a lot of effort and probably doesn't get fair compensation for it as his program requires no donations to use, but this really doesn't seem like the best option. Do note that on the official forums one of his most sycophantic (look it up if you don't know this word - it's a great word - thank you John Lennon for teaching it to me) followers is going to crazy extremes to defend Lightning UK! and bash those who dare to complain. That's why I only feel like making my suggestion here.
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    Note that the opencandy adware options may look different each time you install. You might have to deselect some options or use the cancel-button or click I disagree.
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    I appears that Imgburn varies its garbage payload and install options almost daily. When I installed, there was no option-out, trust me. I searched for it, and even cancelled and restarted the installer thinking that I missed something.
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    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
    That is how I intend to approach it . . . and though I have not looked at the changelog yet, I often have to raise the question "Is this upgrade really necessary ?" Often the answer will be 'NO.' (Although developers will often tell you that they won't address questions on versions prior to the current one, should you run into an issue. This may or may not become an incentive.) I need to see some added functionality that nears or reaches the 'Must Have' level.

    jman98 is correct about not making assumptions regarding what many users know or don't know. Sometimes I'm surprised to find users who don't know how to unzip a Zip archive. I've been doing that since the DOS days, but you will find plenty of people who seem baffled by it, relatively simple as it is.

    There is no shortage of serious wrong turns in software development, as in many other things. (That's a nicer way of putting it . . . . ) I went to open a stored, existing HTML doc the other day, using Google Chrome. Guess what ? This most basic function of just about every browser in the universe ain't there ! Some quick searches brought up forum posts by the Chrome folks -- going back to 2008 !! -- with nothing but lame excuses and mentions that they were "looking into it." Really ? And five years later . . . ? This alone takes them out of contention from becoming my 'Go To' choice in a browser. I hope this very poor choice for ImgBurn does not wind up doing the same in its category.
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    I wasn't offering that as a general-user suggestion, really - and yeah, it's frustrating that anyone would have to resort to it. Mostly just an alternative to those posting in this thread.

    Someone could always write an alternate installer stub, I suppose. Or maybe even an installer that can take the official Imgburn installer EXEs, extract the program components from them, and install the components to the proper place for you.

    I think I've seen 'portable' versions of Imgburn distributed by a third party before, but can't remember if they're kept up-to-date or if they're even safe.
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    I guess extracting the 2 core files from the setup.exe is way easier for an average PC user, than changing the host file.
    But you´re right. Normal users just download the setup file, as they always did.
    And L-UK is abusing the confidence and trust people put in them. Feels bad, and sad. As the actual version works well, i stop updating.
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    Extracting core .exe files works in some, won't work in others.
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    Yes, but it does work in this case; I tried it myself.
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    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
    Universal Extractor would be another.

    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    I think I've seen 'portable' versions of Imgburn distributed by a third party before, but can't remember if they're kept up-to-date or if they're even safe.
    I've seen this too: it is unofficial and unsupported, may not have the full functionality, but my recollection was that the developer chose to ignore it, rather than try to eradicate it. The safety issue can be handled by AV scans and Virustotal beforehand, or a VM or sandbox approach during, if you happen to be especially cautious.

    Alternately, if you're a somewhat more advanced user, a lot of apps can be turned into portable versions. I think one of the leading toolkits for this is from Thinstallsoft, and is widely available. From my extensive, favored use of portable apps, I find the .PAF type to be the best, as it does nothing to your system, can truly be run from a thumbdrive, leaves no debris behind after it has run (can't say that about some of the others), and all of the portable program's files are there for you to see -- in a consistent, immediately recognizable structure -- rather than being "shoved behind a curtain" in one .Exe that you never really know what it is doing.
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    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    Yes, but it does work in this case; I tried it myself.
    I extracted the files with 7Zip, did not need to reach for any of the other tools. (But thanks for the tip on PeaZip. Hadn't heard of that one. Looks promising. Incidentally, all of the aforementioned utilities have portable versions available. Some even have 64 bit ones. And most of them are hosted at Sourceforge, which is probably -- usually -- an indication that malware should not be an issue.)

    With the files extracted, do I need to toss any of them (such as .DLLs ?), to be sure that the results are now OpenCandy free ? Or has that already been accomplished, now that the IB installer is out of the picture ? Or can we just drop in the later Imgburn.Exe and ImgburnPreview files, as replacements ?
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    seeker47 - adblock and trueblock are the same. the old one check in an adblock setting difference is gone, they block the same ads now. trueblock was never anything better as it was the same program with a different name.

    here's a direct link to the adblocking hosts file. save it, unzip it, copy the HOSTS file, paste it in windows/system32/drivers/etc and overwrite the old one. it's not hard.
    http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.zip
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    Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post
    Or can we just drop in the later Imgburn.Exe and ImgburnPreview files, as replacements ?
    This.

    Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
    Universal Extractor would be another.
    UniExtract is damn good indeed, however its author hasn't updated the UPX and InnoSetup modules since ages ago So if you haven't done this yet, download the latest versions and overwrite the old binaries with the newest ones:

    http://upx.sourceforge.net/

    http://innounp.sourceforge.net/

    HTH

    P.S.: For the always-pesky MSI files, there is a not-so-new option, lessmsi

    http://code.google.com/p/lessmsi/
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    seeker47 - adblock and trueblock are the same. the old one check in an adblock setting difference is gone, they block the same ads now. trueblock was never anything better as it was the same program with a different name.
    Not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying that that sorry business many users complained about, in which the Adblock developer(s) had "sold out" to allow various "acceptable" advertisers to get through Adblock is now over ? This is what prompted the Trueblock developers to say 'Nothing doing, NO exceptions, here is the original intent again fulfilled.'

    If so, I'd like to see the public discussion of their change of heart.
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    the only difference was a default check box marked in adblock. it's no longer checked by default. they always were the exact same program.

    this is where the check was at one time.
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    Originally Posted by El Heggunte View Post
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    Or can we just drop in the later Imgburn.Exe and ImgburnPreview files, as replacements ?
    This.

    Originally Posted by Seeker47 View Post
    Originally Posted by Ai Haibara View Post
    If you're worried about what the installer might be doing, why not use an archiver shell like PeaZip, 7-Zip, etc., to open the EXE (as you would an archive), extract the Imgburn program and components, and manually update your Imgburn install with them?
    Universal Extractor would be another.
    UniExtract is damn good indeed, however its author hasn't updated the UPX and InnoSetup modules since ages ago So if you haven't done this yet, download the latest versions and overwrite the old binaries with the newest ones:

    http://upx.sourceforge.net/

    http://innounp.sourceforge.net/

    HTH

    P.S.: For the always-pesky MSI files, there is a not-so-new option, lessmsi

    http://code.google.com/p/lessmsi/

    That MSI thing will be useful. As far as UniExtract goes, I had found this one


    http://205.196.122.115/v5g8sz9a5bqg/8a4z416drtkymku/UniExtractPortable_1.7.4.77r.paf.exe

    which was of the type I prefer in portables. It seems to be considerably later than the v. 1.6.1 that can be found all over the place, and has the following components. Some of them are older, but the two you mentioned appear fairly recent. (Or at least are so dated.) I'll compare them to those binaries from sourceforge, as well as others I had on hand. (This archive was cleared by Avast 8.)

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    Directory of C:\Portable SW\UniExtractPortable\App\UniExtract\bin

    06/30/2013 01:00 PM <DIR> .
    06/30/2013 01:00 PM <DIR> ..
    10/26/2012 06:03 AM 950,272 7z.dll
    10/26/2012 05:50 AM 201,728 7z.exe
    04/10/2005 12:43 AM 84,480 arc.exe
    06/23/2005 04:39 AM 270,443 arj.exe
    12/04/2006 12:09 AM 13,312 AspackDie.exe
    04/15/2009 08:18 AM 13,312 AspackDie22.exe
    06/07/2002 03:15 PM 16,384 cdirip.exe
    07/03/2004 11:34 PM 98,304 clit.exe
    04/23/2013 01:03 PM 5,632 cmdTotal.exe
    09/18/2009 09:01 AM 33,792 daa2iso.exe
    05/29/2003 02:14 AM 97,792 dbxplug.wcx
    05/08/2001 08:00 AM 413,696 Expander.exe
    06/30/2002 02:10 PM 1,583 E_WISE.INI
    06/30/2002 02:10 PM 38,400 E_WISE_W.EXE
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    02/01/2013 08:47 AM 539,648 innounp.exe
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    10/30/2011 10:49 PM 52,224 iso.wcx
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    11/29/2010 11:18 AM 49,152 jcabxmsi.exe
    10/31/2006 10:44 PM 872,448 kgb_arch_decompress.exe
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    03/15/2013 12:02 AM 118,784 MhtUnPack.wcx
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    04/06/2006 06:59 AM 139,264 MsiX.exe
    11/29/2008 05:22 PM 77,824 NBHextract.exe
    03/22/2005 11:18 AM 65,536 PDunSIS.wcx
    06/17/2013 09:30 AM 2,539,520 pea.exe
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    05/10/2007 12:53 AM 89,600 RAIU.EXE
    05/28/2013 10:37 PM 58,112 SfxSplit.exe
    07/31/2012 01:45 PM 14,336 sim_unpacker.exe
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    05/08/2001 08:00 AM 983,040 stuffit5.engine-5.1.dll
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    12/20/1997 01:20 PM 99,444 Uharc02.exe
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    05/11/2009 03:12 AM 92,160 uif2iso.exe
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    12/12/2012 12:40 PM 321,024 unarc.exe
    08/02/2000 08:11 AM 45,191 unlzx.exe
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    03/22/1998 05:46 AM 53,760 ZD51145.DLL
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  21. I sometimes install software on a VM then copy the installed folder to my NAS where all computers on our network can access it. Then I delete the VM disk (having made a backup just before installation). Of course, this doesn't work with all programs because they may install system files and registry entries.
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  22. Everybody's excellent skills have already been projected.

    How many of us thanked or credited the author(s) in past for providing robust program for more than a decade? - very few. But, when it came to blame, everybody raised their hand. Time changes faster than we think, personal needs become priorities and too important to be solved. Any author can decide to generate revenue in whichever manner he/she likes. Nothing is wrong. We still have clear multi-choices for what to do.

    You know guys what I would do? Here is my choice.
    I will definitely help good authors to generate nice revenue over by time by running combined download and delete script with a timer loop in sample example below:

    {
    int i = 0;
    for (i; i < 1000000000; i++)
    download = downloads (some url like http://www.somesite.com/downloads/setup.exe)
    delete setup.exe
    {
    Another Timer Loop (min, hours or even a day)
    }
    count= i++
    count << i << endl;
    }

    Here, helping someone I am not loosing anything.
    I would rather give all good authors a very warm hug for their contributions.
    I wish, I could have used their program(s) even in past.

    Stop Nagging, Learn to say Thanks!
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    Another twist I encountered today, some may already be aware of, is that simply deselecting checkboxes already selected by default used to be enough, but that is no longer always the case. In the ongoing escalation of trying to sneak-install crapware, installers have upped the ante and for example in the thing I was trying to install today, not only do you have to deselect the Ask Toolbar checkboxes, but on that page you also have to click Cancel, not Next (the opposite of what you had to do on the previous EULA page, without which the whole installation process cancels out). If you just click Next here, even though you deselected the checkboxes, the freakin' toolbar gets installed anyway, but if you click Cancel here, the installation proceeds normally and does not install the crap.





    The interwebs is becoming more and more of a cesspool of sneaky sellouts.

    The true long-term heroes are folks like Baldrick who keep sites like this from falling prey to greedy slimeware.
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  24. Originally Posted by p_l View Post
    In the ongoing escalation of trying to sneak-install crapware, installers have upped the ante... not only do you have to deselect the Ask Toolbar checkboxes, but on that page you also have to click Cancel, not Next (the opposite of what you had to do on the previous EULA page, without which the whole installation process cancels out).
    Yes, I've recently seen that trick too.
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  25. As I ride a different horse, I am not facing any problem like yours. But, I do have different types of intruders, sneakers and stealers. I know how to deal. If they are happy, I am happy too!
    The interwebs is becoming more and more of a cesspool of sneaky sellouts.
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    Do they (software authors) really get well-paid (big amount) by including tool-bars and ad-wares in installers? Or they just harm their software users without proper sanity and without knowing what they are doing, Whom do they really benefit by ruing their own reputation?

    It take years to create a masterpiece, but, it can be broken in a moment.

    There is an update. Would you guys like to come-back and check?
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  26. I know you can get some old versions of software from VideoHelp, but I like Oldversion.com because the size and release date is clearly stated (see screenshot). They have thousands of old software.
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    Originally Posted by p_l View Post
    Another twist I encountered today, some may already be aware of, is that simply deselecting checkboxes already selected by default used to be enough, but that is no longer always the case. In the ongoing escalation of trying to sneak-install crapware, installers have upped the ante and for example in the thing I was trying to install today, not only do you have to deselect the Ask Toolbar checkboxes, but on that page you also have to click Cancel, not Next (the opposite of what you had to do on the previous EULA page, without which the whole installation process cancels out). If you just click Next here, even though you deselected the checkboxes, the freakin' toolbar gets installed anyway, but if you click Cancel here, the installation proceeds normally and does not install the crap.





    The interwebs is becoming more and more of a cesspool of sneaky sellouts.

    The true long-term heroes are folks like Baldrick who keep sites like this from falling prey to greedy slimeware.

    Why blank out the name of the software that's doing this? That would be good for people to know. Creators who ignore our express wishes (deselected boxes) and stealth-intall this crap anyway should be outed.
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    The true long-term heroes are folks like Baldrick who keep sites like this from falling prey to greedy slimeware.
    So I shouldn't add https://installerex.com/ to all the mirror downloads in the tools sections? Making ALL freeware adware...
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    The true long-term heroes are folks like Baldrick who keep sites like this from falling prey to greedy slimeware.
    So I shouldn't add https://installerex.com/ to all the mirror downloads in the tools sections? Making ALL freeware adware...

    The fact that your Tools section lets us know up front what's what and what it may be doing is a rare feature and a great benefit. That is quite sufficient. Then, individual reviews will often further explicate whether something like this is nasty, intrusive, inconsequential, easily circumvented, or whatever. If a given reviewer is mistaken in their statements, it tends to get corrected by others. If further discussion is warranted, we have the regular discussion threads. Good system, works for me.
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