New Camcorder w/Stabilizer

[budwzr]

Whew, this new Sony camcorder really has a great image stabilization for handheld shots. Look at it in HD.

[Stears555]

Wow! Extreme ugly dogs !

[budwzr]

Hahaha, not as ugly as yo mamma!

[TreeTops]

Are those the kind that yep and bark all day long? Anyway lots of clickers lying around. Just like my place.

[mike20021969]

Demonstrating a stabilizer whilst stood completely still?
Yeah, that's really shows it's potential.

Let's see a video when the camcorder is actually moving. Go for a walk and/or run and post the result.

[budwzr]

Hahaha, but they keep the crooks away.

The camcorder isn't still. It's panning and zooming. You can see the stabilizer kick in when the zoom is about 80% out and I re-position the dog's face in the frame.

No stabilizer in the world can do walking/running.

[smrpix]

Sony seems to have gotten this part right. Even my little cx260 does a remarkable job.

[mike20021969]

No stabilizer in the world can do walking/running.

OK, the running might be optimistic.

But some Canon's have an almost "steadicam" appearance when walking.
(I'd seen it demoed on QVC UK a while back. I don't recall the model number of the Canon featured).

Anyway, check out this - then show your Sony version

[budwzr]

Hey, I'm a long time Canon fan too. But when I studied the specs on both the G2 and G3, compared to the Sony HDR line, and Sony is a bit more evolved as far as using digital/analog together w/intelligent technology.

And Canon is a bit behind in terms of the $1100 G2 doesn't shoot 1080p60, and then rolled out the G30 for $1700 just to get that one feature, and 20X optical zoom.

Hang on, and I'll make some footage like that.....

[Stears555]

Hahaha, not as ugly as yo mamma!

It is a typical primitive lumpen proletarian attitude.

[budwzr]

Hahaha, not as ugly as yo mamma!

It is a typical primitive lumpen proletarian attitude.

That's "proletariat", you slippery pond scum.

[aedipuss]

Wtf has that video to do with is? Not enough cam movement up/down or side to side to even engage it. Just some crappy operator centering mistakes.

[aedipuss]

Hahaha, not as ugly as yo mamma!

It is a typical primitive lumpen proletarian attitude.

That's "proletariat", you slippery pond scum.

Heh no - wrong use of a noun. His adjective was correct.

[budwzr]

Wtf has that video to do with is?

That was an actual video I shot with my new Sony camcorder.

[aedipuss]

Yes and it appears to be on a tripod. IS won't even activate. It's for shaking, like a for analzheimer's sufferer trying to do handheld video.

[budwzr]

No, I used a panhead on a different tripod.

Did you see the last part, where I was all the way zoomed in, and I adjusted the framing, it was at 17X.

[mike20021969]

I'd still like to see a video where you are walking - in the street or going up the stairs.
Maybe even out of the window of a moving car on a bumpy road.

Something that demonstrates what the image stabilizer is or isn't capable of doing.

Edit - No need to take your slippers off, budwzr. I found this on YT:

[Stears555]

Hahaha, not as ugly as yo mamma!

It is a typical primitive lumpen proletarian attitude.

That's "proletariat", you slippery pond scum.

Read about yourself here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpen_proletariat

[budwzr]

Edit - No need to take your slippers off, budwzr. I found this on YT:

I couldn't find a big tree around here, and that scumbag troll is back to sully my thread again.

I don't know what Canon has in their G10, G20, G30 line, as far as stabilization, but the HDR-pj710 has a bit of a kooky implementation of a "SteadyShot".

The "Full" two-axis stabilizer (Active Mode) only works when the lens is in the wide position. Any zooming and it switches to "Extended Zoom 17X", which is a mix of digital/optical. It's not the usual crappy digital zoom though.

The second stabilization mode is "Standard". This one, you can stay with clean 10X optical zoom, but the stabilization is one-axis, not two.

[budwzr]

Heh no - wrong use of a noun. His adjective was correct.

Hey, I thought we were buds?

That troll's comment that my dogs are ugly was totally low class. That's a pure bred Chihuahua. She's getting old, but not ugly.

[budwzr]

Edit - No need to take your slippers off, budwzr.

I do love the G20 too, but the price threw me off.

I don't mind that the maximum framerate is 60i because I can interpolate to 60p and still get smooth slomo out of it. But the pricing needs to reflect that. I consider 1920X1080p60 as the top of the 2K-class prosumer camcorder market, not 60i.

The 60i broadcast standard was created "100 years ago" because analog TV's couldn't keep up with full frame video. So they cut the temporal resolution in half that way. To offer 60i as the top capture quality on a $1000+ camcorder is a slap in the face.

Canon suffered a tremendous backlash when they killed the articulating screen on the older G7, then had to put it back in, but they left the price point alone. The G30 is the same story, except they raised the price to $1700. Not cool. The G20 should have had full progressive frames at 60fps.

Canon cleverly split the market at the last minute to extend the viability of the Vixia line, prior to 4K rollout, and squeeze mo money from customers.

Sony does its fair share of shenanigans too. Like, as stated above, they offer an advanced stabilizer, but it only works in specific situations or conditions.

[TreeTops]

Well that vid of the walking on the ships deck was impressive. So you think he had the lens in the wide position also?

[mike20021969]

Well that vid of the walking on the ships deck was impressive. So you think he had the lens in the wide position also?

It was impressive, wasn't it?

I found a video on the lens "in action". I looks like an eye.

[aedipuss]

Heh no - wrong use of a noun. His adjective was correct.

Hey, I thought we were buds?

That troll's comment that my dogs are ugly was totally low class. That's a pure bred Chihuahua. She's getting old, but not ugly.

just teasing. and you are right there is no such thing as an ugly dog. must be a jealous cat owner.

[budwzr]

Yeah, a cat lover. Time to tell some cat jokes.

[Stears555]

Heh no - wrong use of a noun. His adjective was correct.

Hey, I thought we were buds?

That troll's comment that my dogs are ugly was totally low class. That's a pure bred Chihuahua. She's getting old, but not ugly.

These dwarf animals look like a transition between dogs and cats.

[Stears555]

Well that vid of the walking on the ships deck was impressive. So you think he had the lens in the wide position also?

It was impressive, wasn't it?

I found a video on the lens "in action". I looks like an eye.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/sony-hdr-pj710-camcorder-review/sharpness-performance

The PJ710V managed a horizontal sharpness of 750 lw/ph and a vertical sharpness of 800 lw/ph, both of which are very good scores that rank in the upper echelon of consumer camcorders. Both of these numbers were also obtained using the camcorder's highest-quality record mode; the 28Mbps 1080/60p option. Shooting at the next step down, with the camcorder's HD FX 1080/60i setting, the PJ710V managed sharpness values of 700 lw/ph horizontal and 600 lw/ph vertical. More on how we test video sharpness.


This is a good sharpness performance....

[budwzr]

The Canon G30 has 20x zoom, so I know the low light exposure wont be great. The Sony fstop goes down to 1.8! Thats enough fstop to knock the warts off a water toad, kurnal sanderz.