hauppauge hdpvr 1212 and graphedit

[vhelp]

but what's the point, all these filters are severed and i loose the settings. it closed on me and when i reopened, everything was gone. maybe arcsoft has an updated version i can d/l.

[jagabo]

but what's the point, all these filters are severed and i loose the settings. it closed on me and when i reopened, everything was gone.

What do you mean? Did you save the graph? You should be able to re-open it with all the connections.

[vhelp]

ok, all the connections from the crossbar to the input of the [..pvr encodr] are fine.

but everything that you see connected in the above above, from the [arcsoft MPEG demux]->

is all disconnected (all the connecting arrows are gone) and all the filters are scattered at buttom left.

i always save..save..save. when i close down, i save, and the intellent flag is tick'ed to save (i assume) the special settins from the Arcsoft Mpeg.

edit: made a correction.

[gll99]

When graphedt crashes it can leave fragments in memory which affect future runs. Possibly you have a copy of the video renderer or a second copy of graphedt still running when you reload the graph. Check the task manager to see if an activeMovie window or part of the graph is still open before trying again. Other than that some of the resources could be tied up another way. Don't run another video app at the same time. If you do get a disconnected graph on reload don't re-save that version just close without saving and once memory is clean and there is no other competing program try to reload and rerun the last good saved graph.

[vhelp]

ty for the suggestion/tip. i will try them when i get home. other than that may fail, i will resort to building a custom recorder through the dspack. i recall in one project i did work in that you could build custom connections for capturing and playback. all i need is a preview and record, course..stop/pause/playback wouldn't hurt. i'll let you know how graphedit works out, later..tx again.

[gll99]

If my previous suggestion doesn't help then you can try to narrow the problem down. I'd disconnect the audio pin after the Demux filter and save as a new graph. Try to reload the new graph and see if the video side is still connected and plays. If not then reload the original graph and this time disconnect the video side and save that as a new graph. Reload that one is see if the audio side is still connected and runs. If neither side works by itself then the problem is either with the way the video and audio pins are created in the graph or there is a change in the input signal's video and audio streams that the demux filter doesn't recognize when it is reconnecting. You can then concentrate on those areas to further analyze the problem.

[vhelp]

none of the suggestions have worked. i've tried and tried and tried to no avail. this is draining me and i'm starting to loose my enthusiasm for the hdpvr. if there is no alternative to the arsoft mpeg demux.ax, then i'm not sure what else to do since i can't keep rebuilding this. the soft i installed doesn't work, and graphedit/studio was my last hope. oh well, i'll keep trying until i decide to throw in the towel. thanks guys for all your help.

[vhelp]

does anyone know where graphedit stores its window positions in the registry ?

it keeps minimizing to the taskbar and when i click Restore, it does nothing. only Maximize, and that's not what i want. sheesh. this is driving me crazy and another drain on me. if i can find the window position settings, then i least i can write a quick registry update'er every time in run graphedit, thank you.

[jagabo]

Try GraphStudio instead of GraphEdit.

I seem to recall that the HD PVR had to be on and connected whenever you opened a graph.

[vhelp]

yep, tried that too. all these fail to keep the Arcsoft Mpeg Demux pin and pin settings:

graphstudio: v0.3.2.0 Beta
graphedit: DirectX 9.0 - Build 021204
graphedit: DirectX 10.0 - Build 090714

give me a moment and i'll post the four .ax file versions..

ArcDemux.ax  611kb  11/18/2009  7:55pm  ver 1.0.2.132  C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Extreme\Codec
ArcDemux.ax  619kb  11/23/2010  8:24pm  ver 1.0.2.172  C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Extreme\Digital Theatre\Codec
ArcDemux.ax  612kb  10/09/2010  5:34pm  ver 1.0.2.180  C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Extreme\MediaConverter\Mpeg_Engine
ArcDemux.ax  600kb  04/16/2009  9:41am  ver 1.0.2.108  C:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Extreme\TotalMedia Studio MV\MVCodec   ...

[gll99]

Foremost: Until you solve this make the path from your input device to your PVR as short as possible to eliminate outside issues. If you have a VCR in the path then remove it. Go directly from your cable box to the Hauppauge and make sure everything is turned on first before you load the graph. The demux filter can't connect if it doesn't sense the video / audio input signal.

Also probably important since you'll note I have one (or a similar type) in my graphs of both PVR: Put a smart Tee filter before the demuxer and use the preview pin. You can leave the capture pin unused for testing.

Next if the previous doesn't help: As I asked before which version of the 4 demux filters are you using in the graph? Did you try to register and reload a different one. It means you'll have to:
1) register the new filter (You can unregister the old one but I wouldn't bother)
2) Very Important...Delete the old demux filter in your graph each time you try a new one
3) Insert the filter again but make sure you pick the new version since there could be 2 or more in the drop-down list. Before clicking "Insert Filter" just check the filename property to check the path.

Another option: If you still can't get the arcsoft demux to work and you don't have another HD demuxer on your system then install a trial of the Cyberlink's DVD player (HD / BD version) and use that demuxer. It might still work even when the trial expires but in any case it gives you something else to test.

[vhelp]

i'm trying to d/l cyberlink but they are horibly slow and time out. very frustrating. i gave them my email address (i never do that) i was rushing, and now i'm short-changed, they have my info and i have nothing. agravating. anyway. is there another resource to pull from that i can d/l the player. my work internet is blocking most everything, and my nomd dsl and crapping out alot. thanks.

i will try your other suggestions later, thanks again.

[jagabo]

i gave them my email address (i never do that) i was rushing, and now i'm short-changed

I have a "junk" email address I use just for such circumstances. You can also use mailinator.com for disposable email addresses. Make up an address like hokeypokey@mailinator.com, go there and get the email if necessary.

[vhelp]

a new problem occured but since it still relates to graphedit, i thought it best to keep it here.

i uninstalled arcsoft's TMC and after doing that, graphedit will no longer open its directshow sub-list, instead, graphedit closes. no matter what i do it closes. i was able to open a fiew previously saved graphs but when i go to directshow sub-list, it closed graphedit. i'm stumpped why this is happening because if i go into graphstudio, i can open the direshow sub-list fine. i prefer graphedit because i find it faster and easier to use, plus, when i run graphs in graphstudio there is a a few seconds delay before recording, and closing even longer, about 10 seconds, while in graphedit, both functions are instant. thanks for any help with this latest issue with graphedit.

[gll99]

Find and re-register this dll and see if it helps: Depending where you run it you may have to specify the complete path

regsvr32 proppage.dll /s

[vhelp]

didn't work. it still closes. but everything else opens fine.

[El Heggunte]

graphstudio: v0.3.2.0 Beta
graphedit: DirectX 9.0 - Build 021204
graphedit: DirectX 10.0 - Build 090714

Try other versions of both GraphStudio and GraphEdit

Graphstudio 0.3.1.0 beta

Graphedit 9.4.78.0 (2005/04/04)

If your latest problem with Graphedit persists, then I'm afraid your OS went royally screwed.

[jagabo]

I'm afraid your OS went royally screwed.

That's my guess.

[gll99]

I wonder why you uninstalled the Arcsoft software did you reinstall it? When you say "everything else opens fine" its hard to know what you are referring to. Do you mean other graphs unrelated to the PVR hardware open fine in graphedt? Do you mean that the property page comes up for those graphs in graphedt but not for the PVR ones. If you didn't reinstall you would be missing many needed DLL and filters important for the PVR.

[vhelp]

i uninstalled arcsoft tme to free up 400+mb of hdd space i could use, as long as i have the hdpvr driver installed, and do. the hdpvr still works, i am recording random things even now.. just only without a video preview.


* this graph works, it allows me to record video, but without a preview screen..like the old dvio.exe app.


* this is the dialogbox, when i press the [+] plus or double-click it, the graphedit window closes and shuts down.

and, here is example capture from the hdpvr through graphedit, captured just a few minutes ago as proof this setup/driver for the hdpvr works fine.

[gll99]

I have no doubt whatsoever that the graph works. It's been tested through and through since Arogan posted it. Many of us have used it.


If you can't even scan the DS filters from the above then there must be a bad filter in the list that is causing the crash. Maybe a corrupt or the wrong windows version of one of the filters.

[vhelp]

success

i have finally figured out how to create a graph to capture and preview at the same time. what i had to do was "swap" the Capture and Preview pins from the Smart Tee filter.

however, i am still unable to save from the output pin of the "ArcSoft MPEG Demux" filter. i have to recreate it from scratch. perhaps someone knows how to hack the .grf file to include that detail. it looks like garbage to me when i open in notepad or wordpad. or, maybe there is a way to batch that step in some script. i don't know how or where to start. but that would be it for me and this setup.

[vhelp]

update..

while the above post is true, (and cpu was around 10/20 percent during recording) the recorded .ts file played back with problems. looking at the output pin on the [Smart Tee] filter, it seems that the 'capture' pin is the strongest, while the 'preview' is weak. if i swap those outputs, there will be problems unless i connect the smart tee output 'capture' pin directly in the path of the dump.ax filter..i.e., the one that write the video.hdpvr.ts file.

[Brad]

? You do have them reversed in the screenshot. Capture is where you want your dump filter.

[gll99]

Since you are having problems writing a good file to the output capture pin and since it's not apparent from the graph I was just wondering if you downloaded and registered the dump filter as suggested on Arogan's page. Other file write or dump filters may work but that one definitely does. The proper sequence is to write the video / audio to the capture pin and play it on the preview pin. Check the path to make sure you are using that version of the dump filter because the list may show more than one.

[vhelp]

netbook, windows xp home

i decided to try and install the hdpvr on my netbook in hopes that i will have, a) capture and preview window, b) and that the ArcSoft MPEG Demux filter and GraphEdit will save the settings once.

but i have a question. since my netbook does not have the .ax files, i copyed them from off the cd, but one thing puzzles me. . . where is the 'file dump.ax' filter ? it was not on the cd. i mean, how is arcsoft recording the to the hdd without one ? i rather use whats on the cd if possible, maybe its an odd name that i missed.

this is a freshly imaged netbook, so if something goes wrong, i can restore the norton ghost image and start over.

[jagabo]

but i have a question. since my netbook does not have the .ax files, i copyed them from off the cd, but one thing puzzles me. . . where is the 'file dump.ax' filter ?

Usually the same place you get GraphEdit or GraphStudio. The 011008 version archived in the Graph Edit page here includes it. Don't forget to register it.

how is arcsoft recording the to the hdd without one ?

The file writer is built into their software. Dump.ax is a generic "write anything from this pin to a file" filter.

[vhelp]

dam! this things rebelious. it won't f'n save the arcsoft mpeg demux settings. this is a different pc with a clean install of win xp. sheesh!

[vhelp]

well, i installed the arcsoft suite on the netbook. the thing worked well and with a preview. i recorded a couple of test videos, in m2ts. now that i have that working, i'll give it a try on a longer video and see if that causes problems in dgavc.

[vhelp]

- SOLVED - happy new year!

so i finally figured it out, how to include a Preview window while Capturing through the hauppauge hdpvr.

what threw off the graph with the issues seem to have something to do with not having the right "tee" filter in my particular winxp / pc setup.
seems that some "tee" filters work better than others in a particular system. however, i did not include sound in this graph. my tv speaker is enough,
and the "video.ts" filter captures both the audio/video. when i just want to watch video w/out recording, i just disconnect the "video.ts" filter.

now, to figure out how to get this incorporated into my custom capture app for the hdpvr. that will be my new years challenge since i am hoping to get it working
with my other, twitter app, together as one app, hopefully in time for the 2014 winter olympics. thats the plan.