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  1. Member jeffshead's Avatar
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    I've been out of the game for a long time.

    Has anyone compared the image quality of DVD-Cloner 2013 to that of Handbrake and the others? I've read mixed reviews.

    I did actually use DVD-Cloner and it took way less than an hour to rip a DVD9 to a DVD5 with one simple click. The video looks really good but of course it lost some minor detail but no blockiness or mosquito noise. The only issue that I notice is the picture appears to be a little jerky.

    Which application currently gives the best image quality and what settings ensure the best results?

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    Well, a "rip" is an exact copy of the original....

    No shrinking, no converting, etc.

    So if you have a 7.2gb dvd and "rip" it to your hard drive, the copy will be 7.2gb, as nothing is changed in a "rip" except any copy protection there is will be removed.
    If you do it correctly.

    If you want to "shrink" it to fit on a dvd5 or single layer dvdr, then you either need to transcode it or re-encode it.

    Now if you care about the best quality, I prefer DVD Rebuilder to re-encode it, using CCE as the encoder.
    A lot of people find even the old DVD Shrink to be fine for transcoding a dvd9 to dvd5, but it depends on how much you need to shrink or compress it.

    Most here will also suggest DVD Rebuilder.

    I have never even heard of DVD-Cloner.......
    Not that I can recall anyways.

    The video looks really good
    ??
    The only issue that I notice is the picture appears to be a little jerky.
    Ummm... well.... No it does not if the video looks jerky!!
    LOL!!!

    And that could be from this software you are using.....

    But you never said what the specs are of the original video, how this program is "re-converting" it, etc.

    Way to many variables and not any actual info to be able to even start with a clue......
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    DVD_Cloner 2013 (http://www.dvd-cloner.com/)

    I don't know how it "shrinks" the DVD9 to DVD5.

    Here are the specs of a VOB that was a 1:1 from the original DVD9 to the hard drive:
    Code:
    General
    Complete name                            : C:\SOPRANOS_S1_DISC1_DVD-Cloner_1-1\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
    Format                                   : MPEG-PS
    File size                                : 1 024 MiB
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Overall bit rate                         : 6 669 Kbps
    Video
    ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)
    Format                                   : MPEG Video
    Format version                           : Version 2
    Format profile                           : Main@Main
    Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 5 576 Kbps
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 480 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
    Standard                                 : NTSC
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.538
    Stream size                              : 856 MiB (84%)
    Audio #1
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Stream size                              : 58.9 MiB (6%)
    Audio #2
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Stream size                              : 29.5 MiB (3%)
    Audio #3
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-130 (0x82)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Stream size                              : 29.5 MiB (3%)
    Audio #4
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-131 (0x83)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 21mn 27s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Stream size                              : 29.5 MiB (3%)
    Text #1
    ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)-CC3
    Format                                   : EIA-608
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Muxing mode, more info                   : Muxed in Video #1
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Stream size                              : 0.00 Byte (0%)
    Text #2
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Text #3
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-33 (0x21)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Text #4
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-34 (0x22)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
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    Here are the specs of the same VOB from the DVD5:
    Code:
    General
    Complete name                            : C:\SOPRANOS_S1_DISC1_DVD-Cloner\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
    Format                                   : MPEG-PS
    File size                                : 1 024 MiB
    Duration                                 : 38mn 29s
    Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Overall bit rate                         : 3 719 Kbps
    Video
    ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)
    Format                                   : MPEG Video
    Format version                           : Version 2
    Format profile                           : Main@Main
    Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
    Duration                                 : 38mn 29s
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 2 685 Kbps
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 480 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
    Standard                                 : NTSC
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.259
    Stream size                              : 739 MiB (72%)
    Audio #1
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 38mn 28s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Delay relative to video                  : -98ms
    Stream size                              : 106 MiB (10%)
    Audio #2
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 38mn 29s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Delay relative to video                  : -98ms
    Stream size                              : 52.9 MiB (5%)
    Audio #3
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-130 (0x82)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 38mn 29s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Delay relative to video                  : -98ms
    Stream size                              : 52.9 MiB (5%)
    Audio #4
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-131 (0x83)
    Format                                   : AC-3
    Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
    Format profile                           : Dolby Digital
    Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness              : Big
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Duration                                 : 38mn 29s
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Bit rate                                 : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Delay relative to video                  : -98ms
    Stream size                              : 52.9 MiB (5%)
    Text #1
    ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)-CC3
    Format                                   : EIA-608
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Muxing mode, more info                   : Muxed in Video #1
    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
    Stream size                              : 0.00 Byte (0%)
    Text #2
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Text #3
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-33 (0x21)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
    Text #4
    ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-34 (0x22)
    Format                                   : RLE
    Format/Info                              : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
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    Maybe I don't have a good eye for picture quality, but I swear DVD Shrink did a better job on some DVD's than DVD Rebuilder did when I was testing them years ago. If I'm remembering correctly, mosquitoing was the primary issue.

    I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and use DVD Rebuilder and compare the results. I'll have to install it again and I don't remember anything about it. Do you know all of the settings I should use to get the best results? I remember there being lots of settings that needed to be tweaked and I remeber the software's creator telling me that one of the encoders that comes with DVD rebuilder is now on par with CCE. I don't remember which encoder though.

    Also, does DVD Shrink install and work OK on Windows7?
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    Use the HC encoder that comes with DVD Rebuilder. It will run rings around any transcoder you can name. The version of HC that comes with the free version of DVD Rebuilder is an older one, but it is possible to replace it with the newest one.

    DVDShrink does work on Windows 7. There have been some problems reported when trying to output from Shrink to hard drives larger than 2tb however.
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    Originally Posted by Kerry56 View Post
    Use the HC encoder that comes with DVD Rebuilder. It will run rings around any transcoder you can name. The version of HC that comes with the free version of DVD Rebuilder is an older one, but it is possible to replace it with the newest one.

    DVDShrink does work on Windows 7. There have been some problems reported when trying to output from Shrink to hard drives larger than 2tb however.
    Thanks! I just installed DVD-RB and CCE 2.7 and I'm encoding at this very moment. I will probably go ahead and use the HC Encoder as well and compare the results with CCE and DVD-Cloner to see which is the best.

    I'll post back with what I think did the best job.
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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder......



    I have seen people post here that a 700mb conversion ripped from a Bluray looked perfect and Beautiful!!!
    LOL!!!

    But then they were probably legally blind and not watching it on a 1080p TV/monitor & it was a 720p at best and not over 20" and from 20 feet away!!
    LOL!!!
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    I don't bother with shrinking dvd9 to dvd5 anymore, but I'll second the dvdshrink recommendation.

    What I used to do was generally use free dvdfab hd decrypter to rip/decrypt the disc to a video_ts folder ... dvd shrink hasn't been updated in years so it doesn't necessarily decrypt newer dvds.

    Then I'd use the video_ts folder on the HDd as input for dvdshrink, which does do a very good job of encoding. Much better than dvdfab (the paid/trial version) does.

    Just make sure with dvdshrink you use "deep analysis" mode, which is their expression for 2 pass. It'll slow things down quite a bit but you can't get good quality otherwise. Actually, that's another good reason to use dvdfab to decrypt to HDd. Doing the encoding from the hard drive speeds things up.

    Also, dvdshrink has sharpen/soften filters that can be quite useful. Especially softening with a grainy source dvd.
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  8. I'll second the DVDRebuilder/HCEnc recommendation. I generally recommend DVDShrink only for building an ISO for other apps to burn. Heck, I personally don't even use it for that, since many burning programs, such as IMGBurn, are capable of doing the same thing.
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    Here are some screen caps but the true test is when you watch the videos. I'm torn between the CCE and HE encodes. The CCE encode looks a bit grainy while the HE encode looks a bit lighter and softer than the original. Not sure which one I'm going to use. The DVD-Cloner encode is OUT as far as I'm concerned. The DVD-Cloner encodes look like they are missing frames because the video looks slightly "jerky".

    Are there any tweaks that will make the CEE encodes slightly less grainy without softening the video too much? Or is there a way to sharpen the HE encode without making them grainy?

    I would appreciate feedback on which screen cap number (i.e., 2, 3, 4) you consider the overall best. I'll post which number belongs to which encoder once a couple of replies are posted. All of the number 2 pics are from the same encoder, all of the number 3 pics are from the same encoder and so on...


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