Using Tmpgenc Video Masterworks 5 to make Stand alone DVD

[bitr8]

Hi,

Can someone please tell me if the software mentioned above can convert to a format which will be playable in any stand-alone DVD player? (Not on/or through my PC?

Sorry if my question is brief but I've just spent quite some time writing alot more, tried to add a smileyface and everything vanished!

Thanks in advance!

[mh2360]

I don't think Tmpgenc Video Mastering works 5 does any DVD authoring (you need Tmpgenc Authoring Works for that), though it will convert to Divx format, which a lot of DVD players will play nowadays.

[sanlyn]

If you have a video source, there are two steps involved in getting it to standard DVD: encoding to MPEG2, and authoring for DVD disc. They are two different steps. Mastering Works 5 is an editor and encoder. It generates a properly encoded MPEG2 video+audio (and a few other formats as well including mkv/h264, BluRay, DivX). As encoders go it's as capable or sometimes better than encoders in more expensive products such as Vegas or Premiere, and has a few extras such as basic audio filter/conversion, transitions (fades, dissolves, etc.) and some decent image correction controls. To organize the file structure into DVD format and menus for disc, you need an authoring program (TMPGenc's Authoring Works is a good, popular authoring and burning app).

https://www.videohelp.com/dvd

[bitr8]

Hi mh2360, sanlyn,

Thanks you for your quick replies,

Does Tmpgenc Authoring Works convert only to Divx format? Could you please suggest a software app that'll convert with the same, if not better quality as Tmpgenc, and which can be played on any stand-alone DVD player?

I need to rush off now but I'll be back here around 22:00GMT.

Thanks again in advance!

[mh2360]

Not only to Divx, many other formats too. The only way to guarantee that your files will play on any DVD player is to author a standard format DVD disc.

DVD flick is free and easy to use.

[sanlyn]

DVD is MPEG2. It can't be anything else. Not all DVD players can play DivX. As mentioned, MasteringWorks 5 generates several encoded formats and has multiple encoders. It also accepts several input formats. It encodes for SD and HD, including BluRay, DivX, among others . Its input/output specs are listed on the product's web page (which surely you've browsed by now), along with screen shots of its interface:
features: http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5_feature.html
specs: http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5_spec.html
main page: http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5.html
I find it handy because it imports a few formats that many apps won't accept, such as Panasonic's VRO format, DVD from DVD-RAM, and some others. It also has excellent color correction controls (works in RGB, pretty much the same way other apps do it), can edit/join multiple source clips, etc.

It depends on what you want to do. Like most apps of its kind, it's basically a multi-format encoder/converter.

[bitr8]

Hi sanlyn, am I correct to think I'd need to convert to VOB format so that my DVD's will play in any stand-alone DVD player? I'm worried that if I buy any of Tmpgenc products, the conversion to mpeg or any other format which it's caplable of converting to will not play on any player. DVD Flick looks good suggested by mh2360. The highest of quality conversion is my main aim. Will DVD Flick encode with the same output quality as Tmpgenc, and convert to VOB format?

I'll download and try converting with DVD Flick and will let you know tomorrow what I think.

[smrpix]

bitr8, (nice name),

Sanlyn's initial response described it pretty clearly, you need both a DVD compatible file (mpeg2) and for that file to be authored into the correct file/folder structure to make a playable dvd. See what is DVD at the top left of this page. A vob file burned to the disk alone is not sufficient.

DVD Flick uses ffmpeg as an encoder.

[bitr8]

Hi smrpix,

I think I might have previously misunderstood sanlyn's initial response(appologies sanlyn if I have). Am I correct to now think that if I was to author a compatible mpeg2 with the correct file structure and then burn it to a DVD+R using say Tmpgenc Authoring, that it would have the same playable/quality results as Nero would have if burning the contents of a VIDEO_TS(VOB files)folder?

I'm sorry I feel so confused right now as to how authoring actually works. I know authoring is used to make DVD's but when burning to DVD; will Tmpgenc Authoring auto make a VIDEO_TS/MPEG_TS file structure(ie, VOB, BUP, IFO, like DVD Flick does)? or will it burn just a single mpeg2 file which should playback on old standard DVD players?

If the authoring programs do change the output to VOB format(which I find no mention of on Tmpgenc website), would the change not affect the quality? hmm; do authoring programs need to re-encode an already encoded file to be capable of playback on standard dvd players, or will they change the file format only?(e.g, .mpg to .vob, etc).

I've converted a mkv file with both DVD Flick and with the trial version of Tmpgenc Video Masterworks 5. The difference in quality is barely noticable; as a free program, DVD Flick is great!

The barely noticable differences in quality I mentioned are for both audio and video; with the audio being slightly better for Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, and the video being of a slightly smoother/seemless appearance. However, tiny lines appear to show around the edges of motion, which I'm guessing is caused by something to do with the Interlace Display mode being selected in Tmpgenc Clip properties?

In DVD Flick Advanced video options it gives the option to Deinterlace source, which I left unchecked during the conversion so perhaps the tiny pixel width lines which appear are not caused by the Interlace after all, as the interlace settings seem the same on both programs, hmm. So maybe the lines are because I changed the framerate in Tmpgenc from 23.976 to 25fps, and the lines are Tmpgenc's way of making up for that extra frame?

In DVD Flick there isn't an option to change the framerate; however, the framerate auto changes to 25fps anyway, yet it appears like it's skipping a frame. Tmpgenc seems to make up for this by perhaps blending 2 or more frames to make an extra 1.024fps. This is a great feature which DVD Flick seems to lack, maybe due to it's none ability to fine tune the output settings, and I'm guessing can only duplicate frames, which gives the appearance of a jerk/tiny pause with each second played(Barely noticable).

I'd like to use a program which can do the frame blending feature like the one used in Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, but have it not have the noticable lines on the outer edges of motion! Can you recommend an encoder which will do this? The price is'nt an issue providing the output quality is of the highest.

I will try ffmpeg encoder over the weekend to see if I can fine tune its settings to output with the same quality as Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, and will post back on Monday with my thoughts/results, and appologies if my text is confusing, please ask if you need me to clarify any of it.

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MediaInfo of my encodes:
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Tmpgenc Audio
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 1h 33mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 224 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 150 MiB (4%)
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Tmpgenc Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Duration : 1h 33mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 843 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 200 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.564
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 3.82 GiB (94%)
Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
#############################
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DVD Flick Audio
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 22mn 15s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -160ms
Stream size : 71.3 MiB (7%)
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DVD Flick Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : N=12
Duration : 22mn 15s
Bit rate : 5 859 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.565
Time code of first frame : 00:22:15:01
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 932 MiB (91%)
#############################
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Thanks alot for all your invaluable time and support, you people are awesome! Have a great weekend!

[smrpix]

Am I correct to now think that if I was to author a compatible mpeg2 with the correct file structure and then burn it to a DVD+R using say Tmpgenc Authoring, that it would have the same playable/quality results as Nero would have if burning the contents of a VIDEO_TS(VOB files)folder?

Probably better. (Nero isn't highly regarded around here.)

Will Tmpgenc Authoring auto make a VIDEO_TS/MPGEG_TS file structure.

Yes. That's what it does.

If the authoring programs do change the output to VOB format(which I find no mention of on Tmpgenc website), would the change not affect the quality?

No, vob is a container holding audio and video assets -- subtitles, multiple language tracks. One of the asset is the mpeg2 video stream. No loss of quality.

The barely noticable differences in quality I mentioned are for both audio and video; with the audio being slightly better for Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, and the video being of a slightly smoother/seemless appearance. However, tiny lines appear to show around the edges of motion, which I'm guessing is caused by something to do with the Interlace Display mode being selected in Tmpgenc Clip properties?

Audio and video quality are dependent on your source material and conversion options. Interlaced material should generally be left interlaced.

So maybe the lines are because I changed the framerate in Tmpgenc from 23.976 to 25fps, and the lines are Tmpgenc's way of making up for that extra frame?

There is no reason to change framerate in your case. Your UK DVD player will almost certainly play PAL and NTSC.

In DVD Flick there isn't an option to change the framerate; however, the framerate auto changes to 25fps anyway, yet it appears like it's skipping a frame. Tmpgenc seems to make up for this by perhaps blending 2 or more frames to make an extra 1.024fps. This is a great feature which DVD Flick seems to lack, maybe due to it's none ability to fine tune the output settings, and I'm guessing can only duplicate frames, which gives the appearance of a jerk/tiny pause with each second played(Barely noticable).

Very noticeable to some of us. That's why I'm recommending you don't do it.

I'd like to use a program which can do the frame blending feature like the one used in Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, but have it not have the noticable lines on the outer edges of motion! Can you recommend an encoder which will do this? The price is'nt an issue providing the output quality is of a highest.

All of them can with the proper instructions. In some cases it requires Avisynth. Nothing wrong with TMPGenc.

HCEnc, QEnc, Sorenson Squeeze, Adobe Media Encoder -- all of them will have passionate supporters and detractors.

I will try ffmpeg encoder over the weekend to see if I can fine tune its settings to output with the same quality as Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, and will post back on Monday with my thoughts/results, and appologies if my text is confusing, please ask if you need me to clarify any of it.

Best of luck.

[sanlyn]

hmm; do authoring programs need to re-encode an already encoded file to be capable of playback on standard dvd players, or will they change the file format only?(e.g, .mpg to .vob, etc).

They don't even change the "format". They organize the video into separate files (1-GB or less in size, each, as per DVD standard), create the menu, chapter, audio files,etc. No video re-encode.

The barely noticable differences in quality I mentioned are for both audio and video; with the audio being slightly better for Tmpgenc Video Masterworks, and the video being of a slightly smoother/seemless appearance. However, tiny lines appear to show around the edges of motion, which I'm guessing is caused by something to do with the Interlace Display mode being selected in Tmpgenc Clip properties?

Remember that interlaced video displays differently on a PC than on TV. Your DVDFlick encode is progressive, which will look different on a PC. Neither will display interlace activity on a TV. It's better to leave interlaced video interlaced; deintetrlacing, if not done with the best methods, will be inferior on TV.

In DVD Flick Advanced video options it gives the option to Deinterlace source, which I left unchecked during the conversion so perhaps the tiny pixel width lines which appear are not caused by the Interlace after all, as the interlace settings seem the same on both programs, hmm. So maybe the lines are because I changed the framerate in Tmpgenc from 23.976 to 25fps, and the lines are Tmpgenc's way of making up for that extra frame?

In DVD Flick there isn't an option to change the framerate; however, the framerate auto changes to 25fps anyway, yet it appears like it's skipping a frame. Tmpgenc seems to make up for this by perhaps blending 2 or more frames to make an extra 1.024fps. This is a great feature which DVD Flick seems to lack, maybe due to it's none ability to fine tune the output settings, and I'm guessing can only duplicate frames, which gives the appearance of a jerk/tiny pause with each second played(Barely noticable).

I'm not sure what you're saying or what you did. Look at the mediainfo specs:

Tmpgenc Video
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First

DVD Flick Video
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Scan type : Progressive

You mentioned somewhere that your source video is 23.976 FPS. That would usually indicate the vid was originally film-based. Encoders that give 25 fps from such a source would use a form of pull-down (telecine) to make the vid play at 25 fps for PAL, 29.972 for NTSC. Telecined video should not be interlaced.