Question about Sony burn on demand disc but silvery bottom??

[mazinz]

I am aware that dvdrs due to the chemical dye process used have that normal purple-ish tint and unlike cdrs that had multiple colorings that does not really apply for dvds.

let me ask two questions (and why I put it in the media forum)

the quick (well not so quick) rundown: A complete tv show series was recently released by Sony (ghost story aka circle of Fear) and you can buy this from Amazon. Amazon informs you it is burn on demand media

However once I got the set, going by the inner circle look and top it looks like BOD, but looking at the silvery reflective bottom tells me it is a pressed disc.

the dvds are dual layered (and I know some BOD companies use them now such as Warner Archive)

the disc itself behaves and plays with the generic usually same menu you find on a burn on demand disc. The packaging from Sony also states the usual burn on demand disc info about play back not working in certain devices.

my Pioneer dvd decks would only play the Sony logo and then set in a an endless loop trying to load title 1. I could not load or do anything else even with a search function. In order for me to play this I had to use an older cyberhome cheapie deck

So no longer a short story,

1. I wanted to ask, has Sony made a breakthrough and created a burnable disc look closer to a factory pressing (possibly some proprietary process used by them)? I did try dvdindentifier on the pc to pull up any info and it came back that the disc was some sort of unsupported format and it found no info at all

2. Have some burn on demand discs actually have super limited factory pressings before they all go to burns instead?

[[_chef_]]

I got a clue and that sounds like "newish wrecked up copy protection"...
You know $ony, so its probably true.

[Cornucopia]

Your original premise that "burned DVDs only have one color" is what is mistaken. I know for a fact, and have in my collection, DVD-Rs that are: Purple, Silver, Tan/Brown, Gold - on the bottom. May be more, I don't know, but those I know of for sure.

Nothing new here. Moving along...

Scott

[jman98]

Silver reflectivity on consumer burnable media has been possible on CD for years now. They look just like pressed discs. I'm sure such is possible on DVD-R too, but I have no examples as I only buy Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden DVD media and I've never seen either use that, at least not with the discs I have bought.

It's known that Warner uses some kind of proprietary process that is very difficult, but not impossible, to copy. Sony probably uses the same thing or something similar. All I know is that the process is deliberately designed to make playing in a PC difficult and to use that as a means of thwarting copying. This is why you can't get any useful information from dvdidentifier. I have never bought such discs and know nothing about specifically how they are made. But the odds of you having a truly pressed disc are extremely low.

[mazinz]

Your original premise that "burned DVDs only have one color" is what is mistaken. I know for a fact, and have in my collection, DVD-Rs that are: Purple, Silver, Tan/Brown, Gold - on the bottom. May be more, I don't know, but those I know of for sure.

Nothing new here. Moving along...

Scott

And in all my years with burns (and various companies who made them) as well as the "video trading world" I have never come across any dvdrs other than the usual purple (obviously excluding ram and re-writable). I also did some searching online and though most of all the posts are now very old, though possible no one mentioned them being any other color then purple, so this whole thing got me very curious

Silver reflectivity on consumer burnable media has been possible on CD for years now. They look just like pressed discs. I'm sure such is possible on DVD-R too, but I have no examples as I only buy Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden DVD media and I've never seen either use that, at least not with the discs I have bought.

It's known that Warner uses some kind of proprietary process that is very difficult, but not impossible, to copy. Sony probably uses the same thing or something similar. All I know is that the process is deliberately designed to make playing in a PC difficult and to use that as a means of thwarting copying. This is why you can't get any useful information from dvdidentifier. I have never bought such discs and know nothing about specifically how they are made. But the odds of you having a truly pressed disc are extremely low.

The WB archive dual layers are the standard purple color. Funny thing is my old Pioneer pc drive that no longer will burn dvdrs (but reads them fine) was able to read and backup the dual layer WB discs. My newer liteon drives could not read them at all. For single layers any pc drive I had could read them.

This Sony disc was able to be read to some degree in the pc, but I did not try a backup. I am also sure their screwy arccos protection (or the type of disc they burned it on) is what was tripping up my homedeck player and that would be a first for this kind of material

either way it was interesting to see just how close to factory they really do look. Yeah I have seen all sorts of colors for cds, but not dvdrs

[Disco Makberto]

Cornocupia, could you please give me an example (or more than one) as it pertains to DVDR's with silver bottom? I am not familiar with those.

Carlos Albert "D-Mak"

[Disco Makberto]

P.S.: Sorry...I know that DVD-RW's or DVD+RW's approach a silver color on the bottom, but I am talking about DVD-R's or DVD+R's. I think (though I could be wrong) that they simply don't exist. Thanks! D-MK

[mazinz]

P.S.: Sorry...I know that DVD-RW's or DVD+RW's approach a silver color on the bottom, but I am talking about DVD-R's or DVD+R's. I think (though I could be wrong) that they simply don't exist. Thanks! D-MK

Hey Disco, I would not mind seeing an example either. I am not doubting Cornocupia, but he would be the only person I have ever come across to have burns on such colored media. I have factory pressed disc with a gold, silver, brown bottoms, but never saw burnable media like that before and it seems neither have many others.

[Noahtuck]

P.S.: Sorry...I know that DVD-RW's or DVD+RW's approach a silver color on the bottom, but I am talking about DVD-R's or DVD+R's. I think (though I could be wrong) that they simply don't exist. Thanks! D-MK

Yep, I had to chime in on this one.....

In a decade of burning and trying out many different types and manufactured DVDR's, I have yet to see any proof of anything other than the usual standard "purple" dye for DVD+R or DVD-R media.

Prove me wrong.

Anyone.



And I mean PROOF!!!!!!
Not just saying so or some BS photo!!!!

[jman98]

For what it's worth, I also have never seen this in DVD+R or DVD-R either, but as I am very picky about what I buy, that could be why. Or it could be that it simply doesn't exist. In hindsight I should have reworded my previous post rather than implying that such discs for sure exist when I actually have never seen it either, but I'd rather just admit I was probably wrong than to edit it. I have definitely seen silver CD-R discs that look very close to pressed discs but CDs use different types of dye than DVD does anyway.

[mazinz]

For what it's worth, I also have never seen this in DVD+R or DVD-R either, but as I am very picky about what I buy, that could be why. Or it could be that it simply doesn't exist. In hindsight I should have reworded my previous post rather than implying that such discs for sure exist when I actually have never seen it either, but I'd rather just admit I was probably wrong than to edit it. I have definitely seen silver CD-R discs that look very close to pressed discs but CDs use different types of dye than DVD does anyway.

So then for what it is worth either Sony has done this with their dual layer burn on demand discs (since their single layers use purple) or this set that I bought is wrongly listed as a burn on demand, but obviously too much points to my first option

Here, on the left is the Sony disc in question and on the right is a standard factory press. Now you can see why I was a bit puzzled: Excuse the flash reflection from my camera (which caused the gold tone) in between the gold you can see the silver and see how identical it looks to the factory pressed disc on the right

[Noahtuck]

Did you actually download it ?
Did you actually burn it ?

Just because they say it is a "burn on demand" disc, does not mean it is a BURNED disc!!!

There is NO WAY either of those disc's were "burned" or are "recordable" media!!!!!!!!

PERIOD!!!!!!!

Talk about just falling off the turnip truck!

[mazinz]

Did you actually download it ?
Did you actually burn it ?

Just because they say it is a "burn on demand" disc, does not mean it is a BURNED disc!!!

There is NO WAY either of those disc's were "burned" or are "recordable" media!!!!!!!!

PERIOD!!!!!!!

Talk about just falling off the turnip truck!

the photo on the left is the alleged burned disc. The photo on the right (which I mentioned in the post) is a factory pressed disc.

here this is the link that I bought it from (amazon). This is where it states it is a burn on demand disc and burned on dvdr media. The Sony packaging also alludes to this info with the "this may not play in certain devices notice". Of the reviews I found no one has mentioned anything about it being pressed. Everyone says it is a dvdr, so unless they pressed a small amount or all of Amazon's info is completely wrong I have no idea at this point (and according to Cornucopia he claims to have silver dvdr media in his library of film but I would love to see a pic of it): I bought it from amazon and the disc in the pic is what I got which led me to start this posting to begin with

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Story-aka-Circle-Fear/dp/B007Q0JJD6/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv...circle+of+fear

and as I stated in the first post:

However once I got the set, going by the inner circle look and top it looks like BOD, but looking at the silvery reflective bottom tells me it is a pressed disc.

and that is still what I believe it to be but some others in this thread threw some doubt and since I cannot get an answer on either issue one way or another we continue this thread

[Noahtuck]

I don't need a link, I don't need to read a description from "amazon", neither of those disc's are burned or are recordable media, that's all there is to it.

I always think it is funny how people link to "Amazon" like it is some indisputable source for fact, totally legitimate media source or a place for current prices!!!

Most of the crap on amazon is being sold by individual people and not some retail outlet or manufacturer!!
And being sold at inflated unrealistic prices!!!
I have seen more "pirated" media being sold on Amazon than any other "legitimate" website in the history of the internet!!
Just because it is on "pressed" media does not mean it is legit!!

I am not saying what you have is not legitimate, I am just saying, from those photo's, it is OBVIOUS that it is NOT burned or recordable media!!!

I will leave it at that and I stand by my first post in this thread, no matter what anyone here say's!!!

[mazinz]

I don't need a link, I don't need to read a description from "amazon", neither of those disc's are burned or are recordable media, that's all there is to it.

I always think it is funny how people link to "Amazon" like it is some indisputable source for fact, totally legitimate media source or a place for current prices!!!

Most of the crap on amazon is being sold by individual people and not some retail outlet or manufacturer!!
And being sold at inflated unrealistic prices!!!
I have seen more "pirated" media being sold on Amazon than any other "legitimate" website in the history of the internet!!
Just because it is on "pressed" media does not mean it is legit!!

I am not saying what you have is not legitimate, I am just saying, from those photo's, it is OBVIOUS that it is NOT burned or recordable media!!!

I will leave it at that and I stand by my first post in this thread, no matter what anyone here say's!!!

well this is not a bootleg and it is legitimate Sony release. I know the difference between the two. I did call the regular Sony line and they gave me the Sony pictures number whose office is now closed. The Sony website itself is also selling it but has no detailed description. And I agree with you that is has to be a pressed disc. I am also going to get it confirmed when I call them tomorrow and then if need be have amazon correct their info. It is also possibly a smaller pressing and once that is sold out they will go to burn on demand because that has happened before as well with other studios and titles, then technically not making the amazon info totally wrong.

the only real reason why I began to question this was when Scott mentioned he had dvdrs of this color in his collection

[mazinz]

Hey Noahtuck,
I just got off the phone with Sony Pictures, you are not going to like this (and I was surprised as well), but it is indeed a burned disc. I was telling the Rep on the phone the whole story and I was on hold for a bit while he looked into it. He mentioned that it is not a popular title and that the burn on demand info (as well as Amazon) is correct. So Scott and the silver dvdr info has to be true. The main reason ( via online) I found on why different colored burnable media was not that common was also due to it being not really that cost efficient.

Either way, yes it is a burned silver bottom disc- case closed

[Noahtuck]

LOL!!

Yeah, some phone monkey sitting in front of a PC in a foreign call center that has probably never laid hands on any type of recordable media...

LOL!!

[orsetto]

FWIW, I bought the same series set "Ghost Story/Circle Of Fear" from Amazon about a month ago, and mine is very obviously burned media with purple reflective sides. The label sides have ugly, near-generic black inkjet text and Sony logos on white background. DL media for sure: when I burned an experimental backup copy with CloneDVD, it had to drop to "55% compression" to fit on a standard SL blank. No issues playing any of the six DVDs in my hardware (old Panasonic DVD players, Pioneer DVD/HDD recorders, Philips portable, asstd Windows & Mac PCs).

Despite the low-rent physical appearance (and awful amateurish disc menus), the video quality on this set is nothing short of stunning: the best video quality of any TV series DVD of any era I have ever seen. It looks nearly 3D on my 32" Sony and looks better than premium cable HD on a 40" Samsung. The video quality is so good, it actually survived CloneDVD's meat cleaver 50% compression so even the backup looks decent: about what I expected the original discs to look like given the age and obscurity of the material (and similar genre-era BOD sets). This is a killer DVD set for anyone who's a fan of early '70s TV, but wait for the periodic sales that drop the price to $34.99.

[mazinz]

LOL!!

Yeah, some phone monkey sitting in front of a PC in a foreign call center that has probably never laid hands on any type of recordable media...

LOL!!

well I was actually speaking with someone in the US but whatever and they did what they could to look into on their end and told me they were all burn on demand dvdr media. Warner archive collection is also selling it and claims it is a made to order set

*** update. I did call Sony back and tell them this has to be a pressed disc. They told me though it was released via burn on demand they are not the actual holder for it (like a temporary license) and whatever company that is the owner could very well have had some actually factory pressed and still sold the same way. So the mystery thickens. If this was the case I am curious as to what company holds the true rights to this and if they did press up a few (or how many)

Re: Question about Sony burn on demand disc but silvery bottom?? FWIW, I bought the same series set "Ghost Story/Circle Of Fear" from Amazon about a month ago, and mine is very obviously burned media with purple reflective sides. The label sides have ugly, near-generic black inkjet text and Sony logos on white background. DL media for sure: when I burned an experimental backup copy with CloneDVD, it had to drop to "55% compression" to fit on a standard SL blank. No issues playing any of the six DVDs in my hardware (old Panasonic DVD players, Pioneer DVD/HDD recorders, Philips portable, asstd Windows & Mac PCs).

Despite the low-rent physical appearance (and awful amateurish disc menus), the video quality on this set is nothing short of stunning: the best video quality of any TV series DVD of any era I have ever seen. It looks nearly 3D on my 32" Sony and looks better than premium cable HD on a 40" Samsung. The video quality is so good, it actually survived CloneDVD's meat cleaver 50% compression so even the backup looks decent: about what I expected the original discs to look like given the age and obscurity of the material (and similar genre-era BOD sets). This is a killer DVD set for anyone who's a fan of early '70s TV, but wait for the periodic sales that drop the price to $34.99.

I have to agree the quality is very nice and it appears to have been remastered from whatever source they took it from. This is a pic of the top of the discs that I have. It was 40.00 when I bought it from Amazon and the set I got was shipped by them rather than a third party seller