How to remove Cinavia protection?

[transporterfan]

Yes.
Yes.
Up to now, yes.
No visual reference yet. The 'pattern' has not been identified.

[devilcoelhodog]

@ transporterfan:

No visual reference yet. The 'pattern' has not been identified.

I'm just curious about how Cinavia is "look like"!

Discover exactly how such protection works and it's real "face".

Maybe it will be easier to find a way to deal with it if we could locate it on the audio material.

"Reverse engineering" audio and video material doesn't bring any ideas?

No interesting "code" was discovered yet?

Maybe something "unusual" or "different" inside the audio material?


Thanks.

Best regards.

devil (johner)

[johns0]

Cinavia is already being added to some dvds.Since cinavia is retained when re-encoding the audio to other formats it can be in any type.

[transporterfan]

I'm just curious about how Cinavia is "look like"!

I am pretty sure, in an audio program, the pattern will just look like random noise.

EDIT: the 'Why?' of it is this: humans are pretty good at spotting regular patterns.
Anything that occurs more frequently than random (set pattern) would likely have been seen/detected by now.

[fits79]

So even today there is no way to completely remove cinavia protection?
Even with the slysoft slyce product that slysoft claim it will remove cinavia protection even at ripped movies.

What do you thing guys is there any chance at the future to see a program that REALLY REMOVES CINAVIA PROTECTION or not and why?

[johns0]

Nobody really cares since you can play your backups with media players or blu-ray player without cinavia firmware.

[fits79]

YES IT CARES because you can play ONLY THE MOVIE WITHOUT ANY MENUS so....

[johns0]

Nope,you can play the videos with a simple menu,only you care so it don't matter,

[fits79]

ONE MORE TIME YOU CAN'T play full bluray menus not the awful simple menu you mentioning.

And this simple menu you mentioning it doesn't support it by every media player or bluray player so....

[johns0]

All players that support mkv and other files give you a simple menu to choose what file to play,blu-ray menus suck anyways.

[fits79]

ONE MORE TIME NO.

My wd tv live gen3 and mede8er med600x3d doesn't.

And i have try to both of these media player full bd-iso files and the only thing is do is to play the main movie and nothing more so doesn't support even simple menu.

And these bd-iso files it plays normally with full bluray support at pc with powerdvd or arcosft TotalMedia Theatre programs so....

[El Heggunte]

^ @fits79: your complaints may be fair, but they are futile as well.

The people who MIGHT be capable of actually solving that problem do not frequent this forum, to begin with.

[jman98]

So even today there is no way to completely remove cinavia protection?
Even with the slysoft slyce product that slysoft claim it will remove cinavia protection even at ripped movies.

What do you thing guys is there any chance at the future to see a program that REALLY REMOVES CINAVIA PROTECTION or not and why?

Your posts don't deserve an answer, but as new people come here all the time I will answer this for them. But we all know you are a troll. And we've answered these questions a million times already.

Slyce doesn't exist. Two years ago Slysoft talked about it and it STILL isn't available. I wouldn't hold my breath about it.

Is there a chance? Yes - as in probably 1 in 100, not 95 out of 100. If it was easy to do this, it would already be done. It is possible right now to make Cinavia undetectable - not remove it, but make it undetectable - but it ruins the audio to do this. The only way to remove it would require the audio to be re-encoded. Re-encoding the audio would likely require the use of a lossy codec. Some people will object to this. Also, because Cinavia's watermark is in the actual audio itself within the range of human hearing, it may not be possible to truly remove it without removing some of the movie sound, which people will also object to.

And again, for like the millionth time for people who don't know - Cinavia is RARELY used by anybody other than Sony. Warner Brothers has used it something like 5 times and they are the second highest user of it. Disney has used it ONCE. Other major US studios have used it ONCE. Use of Cinavia outside the USA is rare but it is done. If you just buy the discs instead of copying them, your discs will play. We've never had a report of a legally purchased disc failing to play that had Cinavia on it. And media players will play MKV files made with Cinavia audio as they have no means of detecting it. So yes, if you want to copy discs you didn't purchase or run that tired old excuse that you ONLY copy discs you buy because your children destroy your discs and you buy a hell of a lot of Sony movies then yeah, I guess you are screwed. You could just buy a media player and play MKVs without problems but I guess it just makes much more sense to cry and moan here about how Cinavia has destroyed your life.

[fits79]

Yes you answer that question a million times but based at your logic never exist a way to remove cinavia protection and never ask again about that.

I believe you can understand why i make that questions. Because MAYBE it find out a way to remove cinavia and when i ask the question there isn't so.....

And please you can make your post and DON'T BE SO IRONIC to me as i am not ironic for you.

[Cornucopia]

So?...

[bluntmanswagger]

Hi all, I'm relatively new to this sort of stuff and only stumbled across this by searching how to bypass cinavia because I've had many problems with message code 3. So this may seem stupid to most people if not everybody, but hopefully I will get an answer that will put my mind at ease. All the threads I have found have been filled with people trying to remove or bypass the software that detects the watermarks on the films, but my question is instead of bypassing the software why cant the watermarks simply be removed from the copy of the film we have made? Surely this way there will be nothing for the system to detect. Like I said I am new to this stuff but I've had this thought stuck in my head for hours and have not been able to find an answer on whether or not its possible? Even if it can't work I'd like to know why? Otherwise my brain will be fried very soon lol. Thanks for any help received and I'm determined to find a way around this inconvenience.

[johns0]

There's been no real solution to defeat cinavia due to the way it's incorporated into the audio,the only way to bypass cinavia is to either butcher the audio,use a pre cinavia blu-ray player or use a hardware media player or play the video on a computer and stream it directly to a hdtv..

[jagabo]

why cant the watermarks simply be removed from the copy of the film we have made?

Because it's well hidden. The whole point of this type of watermark is to hide it within the real audio so it's not easily removed. See Steganography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

[Noahtuck]

All the threads I have found have been filled with people trying to remove or bypass the software that detects the watermarks on the films, but my question is instead of bypassing the software why cant the watermarks simply be removed from the copy of the film we have made?

Huh ?!?!?!

If it could be "simply" removed it would have been by now.
Which is why all the threads about trying to remove it, as you stated, then asked why it could not be

[jman98]

Nobody as yet as far as we know has even found a way to isolate only the Cinavia watermark. Assuming someone figures out how to do this, and keep in mind that the true genius cracker types have had years to work on this problem and still haven't been able to do it, removing Cinavia would require re-encoding the audio, almost certainly with some loss involved. Purists will object to this. Nobody has even proposed a theoretical solution that could remove Cinavia losslessly. We know that the watermark extends into the audible part of the soundtrack instead of remaining at, say, frequencies above human hearing, which is why it is so far impossible to isolate.

Despite the many hysterical posts about how evil Cinavia is just ruining the lives of billions of people, raping their wives, turning their children into meth addicts, depleting their bank accounts, etc. the following are the real facts about it, which you, bluntmanswagger, need to know before you go down the crazy path that a decent number around here are traveling with regards to Cinavia.
1) Sony is the only studio that uses Cinavia a lot. Warner Brothers uses it a little, but mostly not. Everybody else either barely uses or doesn't use it. Disney, a company I like but I admit is about as paranoid as they come about "illegal" copying of their discs, has used it on a grand total of one BluRay. ONE.
2) It's rarely used outside of the USA/Canada, but Sony is always the exception and there are reports that seem to indicate that Sony is now pretty much using it worldwide where originally they only used it in the USA/Canada and only on the English language soundtrack. The simple fact is that if you aren't really into the movies Sony puts out, you're probably not going to run into it. And if you live outside the USA/Canada, the odds of running into it go down too.
3) Streaming media players like the Western Digital models are not required to support Cinavia. Cinavia support is mandatory for BluRay, optional for DVD (yes, crazy Sony actually uses it on some DVDs) and not required for anything else. Right now you can rip a Cinavia infected BluRay to your PC, get it into an MKV container without changing anything, and play it fine on streaming media players. Heck, even most BluRay players that support file playing via USB devices are reported as not checking for Cinavia on USB devices. That could always change in the future, but if so, you can go back to the streaming media players.
4) If you actually buy the disc and it has Cinavia on it, it will play. Yes, we get posts all the time from people who tell us that their kids mess up their discs so all they want to do is make copies to let the kids do what they want with the copies, but I'm pretty sure that there are at least a few people who are just simply trying to copy stuff they didn't buy. In such cases, if you buy it, it works.

[anon1000]

The reality is...dvd ranger hasnt broken cinavia wide open AT ALL. If you see DVD ranger's database list....all the movies in the database are movies that have been officially released. He will not add a movie that was leaked before the release date. Because his movies are obtained from streaming services. A good example is: "The Purge Anarchy 2014" he will not add it to the database until this date: October 21, 2014

[Vidd]

I agree, replacement audio from DVD and streaming services is not Cinavia removal.

[Mattthemaster]

Hi I have only just come across cinavia protection on my sons ps3 I've read this post and I'm assuming no one has come up with a solution that works other than possibly pitch shifting which affects the audio of the video am I right? I'm not a genius but I now a bit about a thing or too and believe I can solve this issue there is plenty of documentation available to describe how cinavia works and how it's un beatable I don't think this is the case I believe a simple video conversion will do the trick but the fact of the matter is you have to mask not remove the watermarked code I am going to try tonight but I believe using white noise which can be made undetectable by the human ear and phase distortion which are the 2 main characteristics of this water mark it can be made undetectable the system relies on detecting certain codes to determine what device should play the film then looks for a key to determine if you have the original disk if the code is not detected there is no protection, I'm not saying it will work first time but watch this space and I will let you know I believe the system is Not unbeatable at all and once I can mask the signal I can detect its frequencies I don't think even then it can be removed but as for being rendered useless that is definitely possible it will just be a case of converting any affected videos with the same modifications

[El Heggunte]

^ @Mattthemaster

beforeworryingaboutCinaviayou'dbetterworryaboutthewayyouwrite

yeah, vBulletin keeps sucking more and more each day

[Mattthemaster]

Who cares really bad spelling bad grammar I don't care that's not the issue in question

[manono]

Who cares really bad spelling bad grammar.

We always cut some slack for those whose first language isn't English. Since I'm convinced your first language is English, if you want to be taken seriously around here you had better write properly. You didn't learn to write that way in school so I think you're purposely writing like a semi-literate moron. Based on nothing more than your badly written posts, I don't believe there's a bat's chance in Hell of you cracking Cinavia.

[Mattthemaster]

Ok then that's down to you if you have nothing better to do with your. Time than pick on my writing skills. Just because I don't write how you may have been taught in school does not mean I don't know what I'm talking about. This is the last time I waste my time replying to petty posts about the way I write. Fact of the matter is I don't see you coming up with a solution but when I do I bet you will use mine truth is I really don't care how bad my writing is you can't be that thick you couldn't understand me. If you've got nothing better to say than you've got bad writing skills just don't bother how is that helping anyone with the subject in question. Don't question my intelligence look at your own and if people don't want to take me seriously that's down to them and they will miss out. I will post my results probably written badly so if it bothers you don't read them I don't care. I only posted to share my ideas and when I'm successful my solution FREE to anyone one who would like to use it

[Noahtuck]

I don't think this is the case I believe a simple video conversion will do the trick

Okay, let's pick on this then......
A video conversion to remove an audio watermark copy protection ?!?!?!

People that are way more skilled than you, I or anyone here have tried, if is was so simple it would have been cracked a long time ago!!
So good luck with your fantasies!!
LOL!!!

It's like my son in law was surprised that his PS3 still observed the Cinavia watermark on a ripped Bluray from an external drive on his PS3!!!
When it is not observed by my standalone Bluray player from an external drive.
I was like, you do realize that it is a mostly $ONY used copy protection and the PS3 is made by $ONY!!!!

Who woulda thunk it ?!?!?!?!
LMAO!!!

[Mattthemaster]

It's not just a conversion as such because I will have to create an audio overlay to go over the top. Pretty much I will be making my own watermark to mask the original but as the original it will not effect the audio of the video then it is as simple as converting the video with the overlay everytime

[Mattthemaster]

People that are way more skilled than you, I or anyone here have tried, if is was so simple it would have been cracked a long time ago!!
So good luck

And for the record since you feel the need to talk down to me you know nothing about me except my writing skills may be bad you know nothing about any skills I may posses or the capabilities of my understanding of this subject I don't see why people have to put people down all the time just because they can't do something themselves I will provide my overlay as a separate audio file that can be looped and played alongside the original video on conversion for those of you who wouldn't understand how to make your own,

In future don't jump to conclusions about somebody because of your own lack of understanding or there lack of explaining things correctly we all want the same thing here a simple way to remove the problem where videos won't play on certain devices that's all I'm trying to do. You call it fantasies because you didn't manage to do it yourself that's just unfortunate for you I would of thought you would encourage people to try in hope they succeed where you failed. But I guess your bitter that way