Choppy Rips on Mac

[sFoster]

All I want is this - To rip a DVD and then edit out my favorite scene, having it look just as good as if I were playing the DVD itself.
It's been a nightmare, I've been at this for 3 days now and failing.

Here is what I have tried so far:
Originally I was using this dvd ripper that created .m4v files that played back perfectly without quality loss.
Great, exactly like the DVD. But when I tried to import that into an editor (imovie or final cut pro) suddenly the video was extremely choppy

I guess the m4v format wasn't editor friendly, so I tried doing a conversion on those m4v files with streamclip but alas the resulting files were not smooth either.
So then I tried using aimersoft and ripping directly to final cup pro with their setting.

This produced a mp4 file, my girlfriend could barely tell the difference but to me this is so choppy i cannot enjoy it.
I tried a bunch of different aimersoft settings, nothing is working out for me.

I had no idea it would be so complicated to get a high quality dvd clip!!

[Baldrick]

How do you rip and convert to m4v?

I would just rip the complete dvd to your hdd with dvdfab decrypter or ripit. Open the dvd folder with mpeg streamclip. Convert to quicktime mov.


(Ripping = just copying and removing dvd encryption)

[hech54]

A "rip" is an EXACT COPY of what is in the DVD....and that is MPEG2. This is supposed to be a "MAC friendly" program.
https://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVDFab-Decrypter
There is a FREE portion of the program.
If you are editing....I suggest ripping MOVIE ONLY with ONE LANGUAGE(audio). Hopefully the MAC editors can import
the VOB file sequence to give you one, large MPEG2 file to edit....and hopefully you won't need to pay Apple more money
to accept MPEG2 files.

[sFoster]

How do you rip and convert to m4v?

I would just rip the complete dvd to your hdd with dvdfab decrypter or ripit. Open the dvd folder with mpeg streamclip. Convert to quicktime mov.


(Ripping = just copying and removing dvd encryption)

I was using Mac DVDRipper Pro to get my m4v files from the DVD.
I guess I will give that a shot tomorrow converting to the mov file (it's 4:30am here.. ugh)

A "rip" is an EXACT COPY of what is in the DVD....and that is MPEG2. This is supposed to be a "MAC friendly" program.
https://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVDFab-Decrypter
There is a FREE portion of the program.
If you are editing....I suggest ripping MOVIE ONLY with ONE LANGUAGE(audio). Hopefully the MAC editors can import
the VOB file sequence to give you one, large MPEG2 file to edit....and hopefully you won't need to pay Apple more money
to accept MPEG2 files.

Okay well I can use aimersoft to rip to a mpeg2 format, I guess I will give that a shot and see if it comes out smoother, since you say mpeg2 is what is already on the dvd..

I'll also give this other dvd fab decrypter a shot too since you and baldrick are both recommending it

[sFoster]

A "rip" is an EXACT COPY of what is in the DVD....and that is MPEG2. This is supposed to be a "MAC friendly" program.
https://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVDFab-Decrypter
There is a FREE portion of the program.
If you are editing....I suggest ripping MOVIE ONLY with ONE LANGUAGE(audio). Hopefully the MAC editors can import
the VOB file sequence to give you one, large MPEG2 file to edit....and hopefully you won't need to pay Apple more money
to accept MPEG2 files.

Oh, this generates a VOB file?
No, I can't use that in any of the editors.

Why is this such a hard thing to accomplish

[sFoster]

How do you rip and convert to m4v?

I would just rip the complete dvd to your hdd with dvdfab decrypter or ripit. Open the dvd folder with mpeg streamclip. Convert to quicktime mov.


(Ripping = just copying and removing dvd encryption)

Ok I am starting to give up on aimersoft.
I'm moving back to my m4v and using streamclip as you suggested here.

I'm trying to follow your instructions but there are like a million codecs options that I can choose from, any suggestion?
H.264, apple intermediate codec, idk. Going to try a few i guess but all this trial and error is taking forever and I'm just spinning my wheels

I'm guessing it's also probably important to click this "deinterlace video" checkbox from what I've read.
Thank you for your help!

[sFoster]

Some idiot mod closed my thread in the conversion forum so now i need help with video conversion inside of the dvd ripping subforum.

What the hell.
Doesn't seem like this place is very helpful anyway, going on DAY 6 now simply trying to edit a scene off a dvd

[Baldrick]

Try the Apple intermediate codec in mpeg streamclip. Just make a short sample, set start and stop, save and open in imovie.


And I'm pretty sure you will find several tips if you google imovie mpeg streamclip dvd

[sFoster]

Try the Apple intermediate codec in mpeg streamclip. Just make a short sample, set start and stop, save and open in imovie.


And I'm pretty sure you will find several tips if you google imovie mpeg streamclip dvd

I am unemployed and have been focusing solely on this act for 7 days now.
Believe me I have googled and looked at all of the tips.

apple intermediate is a lossy codec. I'll give it a try but I don't have my hopes up.
I spent 5 hours doing a conversion to apple PNG which is lossless supposedly and even that looks like garbage too. I am getting so frustrated

[hello_hello]

There's a free Mac version of AnyVideoConverter. Assuming it's functionality is the same as the Windows version, it'll open almost any type of file and convert it to quite a few different formats. I don't think it has an option to copy the video, but you should be able to convert it at a high enough quality for that not to matter too much. You should be able to use the ripped vob files as the source and select the start and end points to encode. That way you can re-encode just the scene you want to keep.

Choppy video might be due to a change of frame rate, or the conversion program trying to inverse-telecine the original video and doing it badly or when it's not needed etc. It's hard to guess without knowing more about the source video.

AnyVideoConverter has settings in it's options to enable de-interlacing and IVTC, and also to change the way it resizes video. If you leave the frame rate setting on auto when converting but the result isn't satisfactory, try enabling/disabling those settings and encoding again. You can also type in your desired output dimensions etc if they're not in the drop down list.

Given sFoster has successfully ripped the original DVD while converting to m4V, why not use one of the usual tools to simply split the m4v file he already has down to the scene he wants to keep (or as close as possible)? I know nothing about Mac software but according to the list here, there's a Mac version of MKVToolNix (which can remux M4V files as MKVs while splitting them), there's a Mac GUI or two for MP4Box, and can AVIDemux remux while splitting (I haven't used it for a long time myself)? It appears tsmuxer can be run on a Mac and it can split vob files while remuxing them as ts or m2ts files etc which I'm sure HandBrake could then re-encode (can HandBrake encode just a specific section of video?). There's MKVtools/ AVITools/ MP4Tools which I've never used but sounds promising and a couple of free rippers and converters. On the face of it, extracting a single scene from a video whether by splitting the original or re-encoding just the section you want to keep shouldn't be too much harder to do using a Mac than a PC.

[sFoster]

There's a free Mac version of AnyVideoConverter. Assuming it's functionality is the same as the Windows version, it'll open almost any type of file and convert it to quite a few different formats. I don't think it has an option to copy the video, but you should be able to convert it at a high enough quality for that not to matter too much. You should be able to use the ripped vob files as the source and select the start and end points to encode. That way you can re-encode just the scene you want to keep.

Choppy video might be due to a change of frame rate, or the conversion program trying to inverse-telecine the original video and doing it badly or when it's not needed etc. It's hard to guess without knowing more about the source video.

AnyVideoConverter has settings in it's options to enable de-interlacing and IVTC, and also to change the way it resizes video. If you leave the frame rate setting on auto when converting but the result isn't satisfactory, try enabling/disabling those settings and encoding again. You can also type in your desired output dimensions etc if they're not in the drop down list.

Given sFoster has successfully ripped the original DVD while converting to m4V, why not use one of the usual tools to simply split the m4v file he already has down to the scene he wants to keep (or as close as possible)? I know nothing about Mac software but according to the list here, there's a Mac version of MKVToolNix (which can remux M4V files as MKVs while splitting them), there's a Mac GUI or two for MP4Box, and can AVIDemux remux while splitting (I haven't used it for a long time myself)? It appears tsmuxer can be run on a Mac and it can split vob files while remuxing them as ts or m2ts files etc which I'm sure HandBrake could then re-encode (can HandBrake encode just a specific section of video?). There's MKVtools/ AVITools/ MP4Tools which I've never used but sounds promising and a couple of free rippers and converters. On the face of it, extracting a single scene from a video whether by splitting the original or re-encoding just the section you want to keep shouldn't be too much harder to do using a Mac than a PC.

Hello hello_hello, thanks for the post. That anyvideo converter sounds promising.
The source material I am using is a korean action thriller called "The man from nowhere" it has the best continuous shot sequence I've ever seen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z0Q9iLWTCM) as well as the best 1v1 knife fight I've ever seen, among other things. I've also tried with another dvd (death sentence with kevin bacon - a horrible film with an amazing foot chase 40 minutes in) but I get the same results. I want to take my favorite sequences so I can watch them all back to back, or maybe put it on in the background at a party with just like 90 straight minutes of all the best fight scenes from the movies I own.

so this is easy on a PC?
If it comes down to it I can buy a version of windows and then boot that in a virtual machine or something so that I can run windows software for this process. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

My other solution I came up with was I could write my own video player from scratch, and then have it parse an XML file, load up the DVDs for me and only play them in the specified sections. This would accomplish what I want to but it would probably take me another week or two and even then I would only be able to run it to my TV with an HDMI cable, I wouldn't be able to burn it back to a DVD with something like that.

I really appreciate your suggestions. I am going to give that a try this weekend. I've been at this so long I'm feeling a little burned out right now on installing software and processing conversions

[sFoster]

BOOM! I have it working now!!!!
I tried to relax but I just couldn't stay away. I was working on this more tonight and it's a good thing!

Okay folks here is the answer- mpeg streamclip itself can be used to trim and edit clips.
And then instead of selecting share or export or whatever, you can just do a save as and type in a filename for the clip.

It saves in 1/2 a second, does absolutely no conversion or anything just crops out my favorite scenes exactly as I wanted.

[sFoster]

How come this is a forum on videohelp and not a single one of you could simply direct me to a program on mac that allows trimming without a conversion of the file format? Two whole days this was up and not one of you said, hey that program mpeg streamclip you mentioned has trimming functionality, and it has a save button too instead of an export.

So.. yes.. I had to solve my own damn problem.
Noob has to come in here and teach you guys how to do things

But seriously, what gives? I'm really disappointed

[hech54]

How come this is a forum on videohelp and not a single one of you could simply direct me to a program on mac that allows trimming without a conversion of the file format? Two whole days this was up and not one of you said, hey that program mpeg streamclip you mentioned has trimming functionality, and it has a save button too instead of an export.

So.. yes.. I had to solve my own damn problem.
Noob has to come in here and teach you guys how to do things

But seriously, what gives? I'm really disappointed

Are you freaking kidding me?
Are you asking the same of the complete idiot who directed to that aimersoft shit?

[Baldrick]

I assumed you wanted to edit in imovie or final cut pro to add transitions and crap.

Yes. You can cut without converting in mpeg streamclip. It will work with avidemux also.

[sFoster]

I assumed you wanted to edit in imovie or final cut pro to add transitions and crap.

Yes. You can cut without converting in mpeg streamclip. It will work with avidemux also.

Are you freaking kidding me?

I opened with this sentence

All I want is this - To rip a DVD and then edit out my favorite scene, having it look just as good as if I were playing the DVD itself.

I don't know how i could have possibly been any clearer

[sFoster]

How come this is a forum on videohelp and not a single one of you could simply direct me to a program on mac that allows trimming without a conversion of the file format? Two whole days this was up and not one of you said, hey that program mpeg streamclip you mentioned has trimming functionality, and it has a save button too instead of an export.

So.. yes.. I had to solve my own damn problem.
Noob has to come in here and teach you guys how to do things

But seriously, what gives? I'm really disappointed

Are you freaking kidding me?
Are you asking the same of the complete idiot who directed to that aimersoft shit?

aimersoft was one of my programs that i tried ( I was at this for a long time )

[Baldrick]

And I asssumed you knew that you could use the save function. .

But you have solved it. Now can you help others. USE THE SAVE BUTTON. .

[hech54]

I guess it is also too much to ask for people to READ the description and uses of the software....the very same description that is almost obscuring the download link.

https://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG-StreamClip

You can use MPEG Streamclip to: open most movie formats including MPEG files or transport streams; play them at full screen; edit them with Cut, Copy, Paste, and Trim; set In/Out points

[hello_hello]

How come this is a forum on videohelp and not a single one of you could simply direct me to a program on mac that allows trimming without a conversion of the file format? Two whole days this was up and not one of you said, hey that program mpeg streamclip you mentioned has trimming functionality, and it has a save button too instead of an export.

Maybe because it's video help forum, not a Mac forum, and very few of us use Macs??

[sFoster]

Those are all poor excuses. As someone said that shit was even in the description of the software.
For a video help forum this place blows, maybe you guys are okay with windows.

In which case maybe you should advertise that it's a windows video help forum

[Selur]

On mac I normally to the following:
1. rip to mkv using MakeMKV
2. cut with mkvtoolnix (has ne preview and it's only key frame accurate but it's fine for my needs)
3. convert it to something else if need be

[hello_hello]

Those are all poor excuses. As someone said that shit was even in the description of the software.
For a video help forum this place blows, maybe you guys are okay with windows.

In which case maybe you should advertise that it's a windows video help forum

Maybe it should be advertised as a Windows video help forum if all Mac users are as ungrateful of the help others at least tried to offer as you are.