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  1. jman98: Well things have changed. I checked the Future Shop Canada website today, and the N.I.S. must of been on sale or they put the price up for the N.I.S. for some other reason. So my plans have changed, I really don't want to pay $79.99 for N.I.S. so I will use it until the subscription runs out. I will then install Avast Free Anti Virus and wait for a price drop. If I am happy with Avast, I won't bother buying N.I.S. I will also install the other program suggested to protect against Spyware. Thanks for your advice. If Avast can get the job done, and it is free then I will be happy with that. I suspect Future Shop will drop the price again at some point.
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  2. Tim A-C: Now to be totally off topic, you mentioned the wrestler "Big Daddy". Someone put a match up on YouTube featuring "Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks". Both guys were quite the characters.
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    NIS for 3 p.c's is $10 after rebates at http://www.frys.com/product/7265013?site=sa:Homepage%20Pod:Pod5
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  4. Originally Posted by Tom Saurus View Post
    Tim A-C: Now to be totally off topic, you mentioned the wrestler "Big Daddy". Someone put a match up on YouTube featuring "Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks". Both guys were quite the characters.
    They certainly were BIG characters! Wasn't a big wrestling fan but I think it used to be on TV at tea time on Saturdays, so we saw quite a bit of it back in the days when we only had 3 TV channels . . . Happ . . . actually, at least these days you can usually find something on TV to watch. I wouldn't mind if they halved the number of channels and put the money saved into making some better programmes and broadcasting them at a higher quality. Losing the on-screen channel logos would be good too!
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    NIS for 3 p.c's is $10 after rebates at
    He lives in Canada. The farthest north Frys is either Renton in Washington or Downer's Grove a suburb of Chicago.

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  6. It turns out that Norton Internet Security is priced at $39.99 again. It has one 5 star review and one 1 star review; so it is hard to tell which one is correct. My N.I.S. ran out this morning. I installed a trial version of the Security Suite that Avast offers. I didn't notice a big increase in speed when I uninstalled N.I.S. I have to configure my Windows Mail, Avast doesn't like the Windows Mail Live. It is telling me to disable the SSL/TLS. Norton never asked me to do that, but remembering back to the past I remember Avast use do this same thing with Outlook Express. I will have to go into the Windows Live Mail settings to get this set up right. The trial period is for 29 days.
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  7. Well I ended up getting Norton Internet Securtiy 2013 last year. I found myself quite pleased with its performance. For the most part I find it isn't a resource hog. I have an option this year for free McCafee Anti-Virus protection as part of being a customer of Bell Sympatico. I remember I didn't like McCafee in the past, so I think I will skip on that. My Tech guy is insisting on Nod32 but I think I will insist on N.I.S. 2014. I have the option of getting a Visa Prepaid Card and doing my own shopping at Future Shop Canada. But after reading about all the fees, I am hesitant about getting a Visa Prepaid Card. Well I imagine it will all work out somehow.
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    Until yesterday I was using Microsoft Security Essentials, which was good for the first year or two. After reading the terrible scores last year and seeing some recent articles stating that Microsoft doesn't intend to improve its performance (probably to avoid more anti-monopoly lawsuits in the EU), I decided to try Bitdefender free. So far so good.

    I stopped using Norton in 2007 because it was such a resource hog that it made my old PC unusable. If I don't like Bitdefender free, I'll consider trying Norton (free from my ISP) again.
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  9. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Until yesterday I was using Microsoft Security Essentials, which was good for the first year or two. After reading the terrible scores last year and seeing some recent articles stating that Microsoft doesn't intend to improve its performance (probably to avoid more anti-monopoly lawsuits in the EU), I decided to try Bitdefender free. So far so good.

    I stopped using Norton in 2007 because it was such a resource hog that it made my old PC unusable. If I don't like Bitdefender free, I'll consider trying Norton (free from my ISP) again.
    did you get the free edition of BD?
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    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Until yesterday I was using Microsoft Security Essentials, which was good for the first year or two. After reading the terrible scores last year and seeing some recent articles stating that Microsoft doesn't intend to improve its performance (probably to avoid more anti-monopoly lawsuits in the EU), I decided to try Bitdefender free. So far so good.

    I stopped using Norton in 2007 because it was such a resource hog that it made my old PC unusable. If I don't like Bitdefender free, I'll consider trying Norton (free from my ISP) again.
    did you get the free edition of BD?
    Yes. I did say "BitDefender free" in my post.

    It is working fine so far with Windows 7. I installed it on a Windows 8.1 system today and got a BSOD shortly thereafter. I wasn't there to see if anything triggered it, but it could have happened when the system started to enter sleep. WhoCrashed blamed a BitDefender file. I sent a problem report to BitDefender. I'll have to wait a while to see what they say.
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    i've been using the free norton from comcast for a few years now. like you i had ditched it mid 2000s when it got really bad. the current version seems to work fine. not intrusive, not bloated or resource hog. just get nis from comcast not their "constant guard security suite"

    http://constantguard.comcast.net/norton-security-suite/

    say no to the popup and only download nis.
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  12. Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Originally Posted by MJA View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    Until yesterday I was using Microsoft Security Essentials, which was good for the first year or two. After reading the terrible scores last year and seeing some recent articles stating that Microsoft doesn't intend to improve its performance (probably to avoid more anti-monopoly lawsuits in the EU), I decided to try Bitdefender free. So far so good.

    I stopped using Norton in 2007 because it was such a resource hog that it made my old PC unusable. If I don't like Bitdefender free, I'll consider trying Norton (free from my ISP) again.
    did you get the free edition of BD?
    Yes. I did say "BitDefender free" in my post.

    It is working fine so far with Windows 7. I installed it on a Windows 8.1 system today and got a BSOD shortly thereafter. I wasn't there to see if anything triggered it, but it could have happened when the system started to enter sleep. WhoCrashed blamed a BitDefender file. I sent a problem report to BitDefender. I'll have to wait a while to see what they say.
    I'm using it right now .so far so good .

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  13. Norton is for corporation - fully bloated, not particularly efficient - NOD32 or DrWeb are way better than any of the Norton (Symantec) products - my personal impression is that after installing Norton software overall system stability suffer and for sure performance is reduced.
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  14. Originally Posted by pandy View Post
    Norton is for corporation - fully bloated, not particularly efficient - NOD32 or DrWeb are way better than any of the Norton (Symantec) products - my personal impression is that after installing Norton software overall system stability suffer and for sure performance is reduced.
    I never been a fan of norton even for free (for Comcast members) I will not use it

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  15. The Tech advised me against it, but N.I.S. was on sale until February 6th, 2014 at Future Shop, so he ordered it for me. I hope that it continues to protect my computer. I like that it has the anti-spyware and such built in and the real time protection.
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  16. The Computer guy persuaded me to try NOD 32 when my Norton Internet Security runs out. It is the Nod 32 Anti-Virus. One thing I like about Norton Anti-Virus has been that when I do a google search it has a little symbol telling me what websites are safe and which one's are likely to have something harmful on them. I though Google had something like that built into it on its own, but if it does I don't know how to turn it on. I think they have safe browsing but I think that is to make sure parents can prevent their children from ending up on an adults only website.

    I don't particularly feel safe with switching over to NOD 32. He was telling me well NOD 32 finds stuff that Norton can't. But my thinking was Norton is preventing you getting that crap on your computer system in the first place.

    He has NOD 32 on his computers and he let me try it out. I went to a website that I know has nasty stuff on it that Norton would be warning me about and the NOD 32 never popped anything up saying it was blocking anything from getting on the computer. He said it does it all silently.

    Well he is a good guy and I do trust him and I think he knows a lot when it comes to computers. I have just become so used to Norton Internet Security that I am already missing it and it hasn't run out yet. A lot of companies don't carry Norton anymore. Best Buy has a few listed and Norton doesn't do itself any favours having the price so high on their website.
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    Now here's a little tale.

    I have been a NIS user for many years. The last time, just over a year ago, I renewed, Norton charged me £20 direct at the website. Previously, the only way I could get close to this price was to buy a new version.

    So last December, as renewal approached, I checked with Norton and they wanted £60 for the privilege. Bartered with them online and they were prepared to knock that down to £40 but it still appeared extortionate.

    But I had also noticed an apparent 'new' product called 'Norton Security'. I asked them the difference between this and NIS. They could not or would not tell me. Yet, for all intents and purposes they looked the same - the carrot they dangled was that if you automatically upgraded online they would remove any virus or give you your money back. Yet they still wanted, if memory serves, £50 to upgrade.

    So I just went on Amazon. Purchased a one-year licence to Norton Security. No CD. Just a licence no and download instructions. Conversion to the 'new' product was painless and, yes, the product is EXACTLY the same as NIS. It cost me, you guessed it, £20. Norton do tend to quoted $ prices as £ so I know I am being over-charged but I still have another 12 month use of the product for one-third of what they originally wanted to charge me. I do not have this 'virus removal' carrot but I think I can live without that.
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    Originally Posted by Tom Saurus View Post
    The Computer guy persuaded me to try NOD 32 when my Norton Internet Security runs out. It is the Nod 32 Anti-Virus. One thing I like about Norton Anti-Virus has been that when I do a google search it has a little symbol telling me what websites are safe and which one's are likely to have something harmful on them. I though Google had something like that built into it on its own, but if it does I don't know how to turn it on. I think they have safe browsing but I think that is to make sure parents can prevent their children from ending up on an adults only website.
    Chrome and Firefox both warn users if the website they are attempting to load is unsafe. (Unsafe as in a phishing website, or unsafe as in a source of malware infections.) Some security software has the same feature.
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  19. DB83: Thanks for sharing your experience with Norton.

    usually_quiet: Thank you for this information.
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    still using the norton security suite here. had it on multiple XP, win7, win8, win8.1, and win10 computers now. it works, is customizable, isn't a resource hog, and anything it deletes as spyware the user can undo easily if they want to. no norton caused crashes or problems in many years.
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  21. If it wasn't for all those frigging fees on Pre Paid cards I would get one and order Norton Security for myself. I know darn well those fees would aggravate me to no end. I will give the NOD 32 a try but I really like when I do a web search that Norton has an opinion of just about every website. If it has the little green symbol that says everything is OK and if it has a question mark or a red symbol you know that website is best to stay the heck away from. Then there are all those times that Norton has popped up and said we blocked this or that before it could do damage. Well maybe NOD32 won't be so bad. I can reinstall spybot search and destroy and perhaps it will help protect my computer as well.
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  22. Just install WOT extension in Firefox or Chrome if you want a web reputation examiner. Completely independent of Norton. Spybot is old tech these days. Malwarebytes is the go to product now. Do a weekly scan with Malwarebytes to get rid of anything your AV misses. Been using NOD32 for years at work. Before that we had Norton. We had one employee that was always surfing where he shouldn't be and getting one computer infected constantly. Norton usually missed the infection every time. NOD32 caught every one of them since we switched. I'm glad we ditched Norton. A few years later, I'm also glad we ditched said employee.
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  23. Poppa_Meth: Thank you for this information. I think I will install the WOT extension in both Firefox and Chrome. I just did a web search and found their Add On spot for Mozilla. The first review listed was only one star but looking at the others it is between three and five stars. This will make me feel better about surfing as I take the warnings seriously. Maybe I can set NOD32 to warn me and alert me when it is blocking something nasty as well like Norton does. Sometimes a website itself is safe but a link or pop under or over might be nasty, and Norton popping up and telling me this rootkit or this whatever has been blocked makes one feel better because it got blocked instead of having to remove it later on.

    Once again thank you and you have increased my confidence in NOD32. I think I will try to uninstall Spybot Search and Destroy and stick with Malwarebytes.
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  24. Originally Posted by Tom Saurus View Post
    PSometimes a website itself is safe but a link or pop under or over might be nasty, and Norton popping up and telling me this rootkit or this whatever has been blocked makes one feel better because it got blocked instead of having to remove it later on.
    This is the killer feature of modern Norton, optimized for what consumers actually do with their PCs. But that key feature seems to completely elude all the pundits who endlessly bleat how "worthless" Norton is (while slagging anyone who dares to use it as a moron). The bias toward "freeware" on VH skews off the charts into bizarro-land sometimes: paid software that does what you want it to do saves time if you're a geek off the clock, and makes life easier for the non-geeks. The free A/V utilities work, but are typically not automated with "live" surfing protection: sure, they'll help clean up a mess, but only after they let you get screwed (horse, meet barn door closing). Gathering, managing, and manually deploying an assortment of freeware like Avast, Malwarebytes and so on is beyond the interest of most non-geeks. And anyone who reflexively tags modern Norton as "bloatware" should give AVG Free a spin: that thing could sink the Titanic. The freeware vs payware situation is always in flux, what worked great last year could be garbage this year, and full convenience + protection may require a combination of paid & free. Some years the freeware is better, like during Norton's crap era, and vice versa (i.e. AVG Free was amazing seven years ago, today its horrendous bloatware).

    Huge numbers of households contain at least one person who can't resist free porn, and/or torrent-scene sites to catch up on TV episodes, anime, whatever. These sites are infested with browser hijackers and ransomware, some of which can completely brick a PC to the point its cheaper for a non-geek to replace it altogether than pay someone to clean it. (Ever try helping a friend clean a toxic FBI scam from their hard drive? Ugh!) For those folks, a $40 Norton installation that blocks most of those hijackers (and notifies you) is worth every penny. Obviously, avoiding those sites will avoid 90% of ransom infection vectors, but those sites are the primary bookmarks for millions of computer users. Telling them to avoid those sites is like telling someone who just bought a new television not to tune in any major networks: ain't gonna happen.

    My personal setup is eccentric: I have a couple Windows 7 PCs dedicated to video/audio/film scanning tasks. They aren't used for general web surfing, and since Microsoft began its nefarious scheme to force Windows 10 "malware" I disconnected their web access altogether. For general web surfing, downloads, Photoshop and other graphics I use a couple of Apple Macs. To date, the Mac has been impervious to ransomware and hijacker attacks, but I do *see* the attempts (countless popups with obviously hidden hijack hooks, popups that can't be closed, blatant "FBI" scams, etc). While MacOS ignores these attacks, they would wreck my Windows 7 boxes no matter what range of "free" antivirus/malware I have installed. After cleaning up a couple such Windows infections that got thru, I switched over to my Macs for all downloading or questionable surfing. If I didn't already have the Macs anyway, I'd definitely load "paid" Norton on my Win7 boxes: I've seen what it routinely blocks whenever I visit friends/relatives whose consumer-grade Dells or Gateways have it pre-installed. Should their Norton ever regress to ineffective bloatware, I'm changing my phone number.

    Company/corporate environments are different: we have more uniform control of PCs and users, and an IT team, so free tools like Defender, Avast, Avira and Malwarebytes (that lack some real-time browsing features) are sufficient.
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  25. orsetto: My computer technician is convinced that NOD 32 is the best to protect a person's computer with. I was just thinking maybe I should buy a Chrome Book for surfing the Internet. It has USB 3.0 and and an HDMI output. It says it has built in Anti-Virus protection. I could take my main computer off the internet except for checking my email on Windows Live Mail. This all might be handy as well because we have a trial version of Showmi which is a legal alternative to Netflix that is available here in Canada. I could watch Showmi and stream it to a TV via the HDMI. I am really happy with my HP i5 Windows 7 computer and I use it for video capturing, video editing and video encoding. I want to protect my main computer and having a Chrome Book might come in mighty handy.

    http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/google-hp-11-6-chromebook-intel-celeron-n2840-16-g...ps__ultrabooks

    Thank you for what you wrote it gives me a lot to think about.
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  26. Even Avast free AV pops up a warning when it actively blocks an unsafe connection in your browser. And they do have real time web shields, not just scans to clean things up later. Norton certainly has no monopoly on that behavior. NOD32 also gives an alert when it blocks an unsafe connection or application.
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  27. Poppa_Meth: This is a comfort and of the two Avast looks better than NOD 32. I should use the money for a Blu Ray burner to back stuff up in the event of a computer failure that probably will happen at some point. Thank you for this information. It makes me more comfortable about NOD 32.
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  28. NOD32 is a little spartan in appearance but it's a much better AV than Avast. It does have a price tag though, where Avast is free. I install Avast on home user computers all the time and it has always been perfectly adequate protection. But no matter how good the AV is nothing will stop the naive user that downloads and installs whatever the internet tells them they need. Most of the major infections I've had to clean up have not been threats like this that slip though the AV when visiting a website. They've come from people installing coupon printers and movie player plugins just because the site they were on said they had to have it to get a coupon or watch a tv show. You can't fix stupid as the saying goes.

    As for backups a good external HDD would serve better than a BluRay burner. Finding media that is trustworthy for archival purposes is not easy or cheap. You can also overwrite the HDD many times in comparison to the BluRay.
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  29. Poppa_Meth: Thank you for this additional information. I have several portable hard drives. My newest which I was hesitant about trying is a 2 1/2 inch Seagate Slim drive. I was surprised how small it was not all that much bigger than a deck of cards.

    When it comes to surfing the internet I try to be vigilant and smart. I was at a relative's last year and they had some kind of malware on their computer which wouldn't allow you launch any programs. They asked if I knew how to fix it and I said "I don't know how to fix it and that was the truth". Once in the past there computer was really sluggish and I ran probably Spybot Search & Destroy to see if it was infected with malware and a huge slew of stuff came up and I pressed the button to allow Spybot to remove it. It got rid of the stuff but it was so deeply imbedded that it still screwed the computer up even in the removal. They phoned me the next day saying their computer would only run for half and hour then shut itself off. I felt guilty that it was my fault and payed a computer technician the money to fix their computer. That was a pretty close to two hundred dollar mistake that makes me gun shy about ever thinking I know how to get rid of that crap on a computer. It retrospect probably my relative's should have paid half because it needed to be dealt with sooner or later, but there is no use dwelling on it now.

    I remember that FBI Warning and that is pretty scary. It popped up and the only thing I could do was bring up the Task Manager, shut down the browser and the FBI Warning browser thing listed in the Task Manager. I ran several thorough scans and to my knowledge my computer didn't get infected. I think it would have if I would have followed the instructions on the FBI Warning screen which wanted me to click this and that.

    Even seemingly benign websites can have nasty stuff that pop up every once and a while. I have a Soap Opera website I go to and every so often someone uses it to try to attack a person's computer. Thankfully that is a couple years back though.

    I am glad that NOD32 has hidden protections that don't seem obvious at first.
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    I don't know where these stories keep coming from? On the rare occasion that Norton doesn't uninstall from the Control Panel, just download and run the Norton Removal Tool. Job done and REALLY difficult! (Where's the sarcasm smiley...! )[/QUOTE]

    Oh. REALLY? Have you checked the leftovers all over the OS and windows registry after you uninstall? Just search for Norton and Symantec on the registry and try to delete all the entries.
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