megui detects this as progressive but i think its telecinded?

[mmbwdpnz]

im not sure if im properly deinterlacing this footage. is it telecined or progressive? if telecinded what filter should i load into my script?

[mmbwdpnz]

sample

[davexnet]

Appears to be telecined, 3 progressive frames followed by 2 interlace.
Also, DGindex says the4 type is "film".

[manono]

is it telecined or progressive?

It's both. If the entire thing is like the sample it was encoded as progressive 23.976fps with pulldown applied (soft telecine) to output interlaced 29.97fps. Assuming you're using MPEG2Source in an AviSynth script, you make the D2V in DGIndex using Forced Film to give you a progressive 23.976fps video ready to go.

im not sure if im properly deinterlacing this footage.

Don't ever blindly deinterlace soft or hard telecined film. You either use Forced Film in DGIndex for cases such as yours or you use Honor Pulldown Flags followed by a full IVTC if it's hard telecine. As davexnet showed, it's often a good idea to play the Preview in DGIndex which might clue you in as to what you have. In this case both MeGUI and you are correct. You being right was an accident though.

[hello_hello]

Do you have the "force film" option enabled in MeGUI's settings? If so, MeGUI is probably automatically creating the d2v file using force film as per manono's post. If you disable the force film option, re-index the video (to create a new d2v file), then run the analysis again, MeGUI may give a different result.

[mmbwdpnz]

how do i do that?

[mmbwdpnz]

ok so in megui how do i enable forced film, and is there aything else i need to do after that?

[hello_hello]

I think it's enabled by default, hence MeGUI deciding your video was progressive. It's under External Program Configuration in MeGUI's options/settings.

I live in PAL-land so I'm not overly familiar with how the force film option works (I think it only applies to NTSC) but in the case of your video (assuming it's 100% film) I think the end result will be the same.... MeGUI's output will be 23.976fps as it sounds like it should be.... only with force film enabled the d2v file created when indexing will result in it giving MeGUI progressive video (23.976fps) while with it disabled it'll give MeGUI video which requires IVTC (29.970fps). At least I think that's how it works. If you disable the force film option, make sure you delete any d2v file which was previously created and re-index the vob files before running a second analysis.

MeGUI's force film option also lets you set the percentage at which force film is applied. The default is 95%, so I think that means if the video is a mixture of film and NTSC, then if 95% or more is film, the whole lot will be treated as film. manono will probably be able to explain how that effects the way the video is encoded better than me.

[mmbwdpnz]

hoe do i know if my video is all film or a mixture? is there a guide? ive bee reading a bunch ad still dont understand

[mmbwdpnz]

*how

[manono]

Run the Preview in DGIndex. As already suggested.

[mmbwdpnz]

ok so im pretty sure the pattern is consistent correct me if im wrong

[manono]

You can just open the D2V, look at the bottom and it'll tell you if it's 100% film or not.

[mmbwdpnz]

i cant tell it just says film

[poisondeathray]

Read what manono said: the d2v

ie. open the d2v with something like notepad or wordpad, go to the bottom

Here is a mini guide
http://neuron2.net/faq.html#analysis

[manono]

Yeah, at the bottom of a D2V, it might say:

FINISHED 100.00% FILM

if it's all film (encoded as progressive 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown). However, if you watched the Preview all the way through and that's what it says, it's the same thing. But you didn't, as you took the pic at 1:31 into an hour and a half long video. Making a D2V is way faster than watching the Preview. You can speed up the Preview, if you like, by going Options->Playback Speed->Maximum.

[mmbwdpnz]

the entire video 99.94% film

[manono]

Then if you're lucky, there are only a few frames of black that are the other 0.06% video. You're probably safe making the D2V using Forced Film. If you don't want to take any chances then make it with 'Honor Pulldown Flags' and use TIVTC like so:

TFM(D2V="c:\Movie.d2v")#Adjust for the real name and path
TDecimate(Mode=1)#Mode=1 for anime

[hello_hello]

I'd be interested to see if disabling MeGUI's force film option, and re-indexing and re-analysing the video, results in MeGUI using TDecimate instead of claiming the video is progressive. I suspect it might.

[mmbwdpnz]

No it doesn't same results for me. I re-did the index file and everything. Do I set the auto force film at 100 percent, or do I set it to 0 in MeGUI External Program Configuration?

[hello_hello]

Uncheck the box to disable it completely.

[sanlyn]

hoe do i know if my video is all film or a mixture? is there a guide? ive bee reading a bunch ad still dont understand

Follow the tips given so far, and you might also want to keep a copy of this short but essential web page:
http://neuron2.net/faq.html

[mmbwdpnz]

wait so do i set i to 100 percent?

[hello_hello]

Uncheck the box to disable it completely. Then it shouldn't matter what the percentage is set at because it's disabled.

Admittedly I'm not 100% sure myself because I haven't experimented with it a lot (I live in PAL land), but logically unchecking the force film option should stop MeGUI from ever using force film.

[mmbwdpnz]

no but i want to use force film but dont know what to set the percentage to

[mmbwdpnz]

here is a sample with the force film. it was very fast to encode, the only things i dont like is those jagged lines i see on the roses and basketball hoop.

[sanlyn]

here is a sample with the force film. it was very fast to encode, the only things i dont like is those jagged lines i see on the roses and basketball hoop.

Sample?

If you didn't see jaggies in your original, something ain't right.

[mmbwdpnz]

sample

[mmbwdpnz]

it wont post how bout now forum.videohelp.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15293&stc=1&d=13560622 53 just open the link in a new tab it will work

[mmbwdpnz]

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