Vegas is screwing with my frames.

[Jon.G]

Ok, if Vegas Pro 10 is Professional....then why is it screwing with my frames on a render?

I had an mpg I ripped from a dvd which was for some reason at a 704x480 resolution. Which was causing issues with my authored dvd. So I pulled it into vegas, and rendered it to 720x480. I've been having issues with my sound not syncing properly lately, and have had to adjust the sound and rerender sound to a separate wav to fix the issue, but I think now I need to go back and recheck all my work, because this stupid piece of software seems to have ruined weeks worth of work.

I decided, let me check the sound, by taking my original mpg that was ripped right off the dvd, my new mpg I just rendered, line them up, and compare frame by frame.

They start in perfect sync. By the end, the new video ends up lagging behind the original noticeably.

Professional software?

Explain how this is considered acceptable. I think sony has so 'splanin to do.

Could anyone recommend software that will actually render properly and not screw with my timing, so I can actually get some work done here?

[Jon.G]

A follow up...it seems my past work is rendered properly, I had a lot of stuff I recorded from VHS that I was finding these timing issues with, and I was worried when I found this timing issue on this render that the timing issue may have been from rendering, where it turned out it was either the recording or the source tape. My syncing is fine, and when doing a frame by frame comparison of my recorded file to my rendered file, they matched up.

So, it seems to be just this one oddball .mpg as ripped off the dvd that doesn't want to re-render properly. But I'm still quite concerned that vegas pro is giving me a rendered file that isn't matching the original. To me that seems unacceptable for a software to render me something that isn't matching my source, and quite unprofessional.

[jagabo]

You'll find all video editors will have problems with A/V sync on occasion. You should always check your work immediately. 704x480 is perfectly legal for DVD.

[_Al_]

You know, that you can change almost any parameter in video while exporting ?
That it is a good idea to set project properties the same as your clip is?
If you chose some template exporting , you suppose to glance first what parameters you are exporting and then export what you need. 704 is unusual even it is good for DVD , all templates are set 720 default. Imagine there was 704 default, there would be every day a new thread on videohelp concerning this.

Imagine you have more clips with different properties on the timeline , different sizes, what editor should choose to export? Professional piece of software is usually flexible to the point of setting whatever you need. Vegas is on the top of all editors, no software is that flexible, in this way. It is more professional in this way that the other editors.

[Jon.G]

I've tried rendering this clip 3 times now, with no luck. It is always off.

I'm going to have to stop using vegas at this point, it is unreliable, I cannot count on it to do the job it is supposed to do, and is a completely unprofessional piece of rubbish! Anyone who writes a program that can't keep the frames straight shouldn't be programming, it's quite simple, DON'T DROP ANY FRAMES, YOU HAVE ALL THE DATA HERE, MAKE SURE YOU BRING ALL FRAMES OVER!!!!!

Is there a piece of software one could recommend that will do a proper rendering job without throwing out frames?

[sanlyn]

Can't say a word without seeing a short sample of the original (unprocessed) 704x480 from the DVD. Copy a VOB to your 'puter, open with DGIndex and edit about 10 or 12 seconds of m2v video with some motion in the scene. Did you take a look at the structure of the original before re-encoding? AS stated above, 704x480 one of the defined standards for DVD. As for encoding, there are better encoders around with more flexibility, and some of them are free.

You know, that you can change almost any parameter in video while exporting ?
That it is a good idea to set project properties the same as your clip is?
If you chose some template exporting , you suppose to glance first what parameters you are exporting and then export what you need. 704 is unusual even it is good for DVD , all templates are set 720 default. Imagine there was 704 default, there would be every day a new thread on videohelp concerning this.

Nothing is "unusual" about 704x480 for DVD.
https://www.videohelp.com/dvd#tech

[Jon.G]

Ok then, if 704x480 is a standard for dvd, how come VLC won't play it properly?

[jagabo]

Ok then, if 704x480 is a standard for dvd, how come VLC won't play it properly?

The problem isn't the frame size. Something else is wrong with the video. And that's probably what's confusing Vegas.

[_Al_]

upload short original clip and as a bonus exported file and things will progress ...

[sanlyn]

Ok then, if 704x480 is a standard for dvd, how come VLC won't play it properly?

Because there is either something wrong with the original, or something amiss in the way it's being processed. That's why a sample of the original was requested.

[Jon.G]

Well, no, the problem is that VLC won't play a dvd with that resolution. If I extract the .mpg from the original dvd, VLC will play the 704 .mpg file itself just fine. But, the original dvd, and the dvd I author to, it plays very wide. This seems to be an issue with VLC, but makes me feel that 704 just isn't a viable option for a dvd since such a widely used piece of software won't play the format correctly, I want my final dvd to work with VLC in case someone uses it, since VLC is so widely used in XP machines since microsoft couldn't be bothered to make a media player that can play dvd.

[sanlyn]

Sorry. No sample of the original means you'll have to wait for someone to show up here with their diving rod.

[smrpix]

Vegas and VLC are both well-established and widely used.

The problem likely lies elsewhere. Please do as Sanlyn requests.

[sanlyn]

I have no problem playing video encoded at 704x480 (assuming the encode was done properly and the display aspect ratio is the one desired). So if VLC plays the video correctly from direct-to-PC copy as a VOB, and you say it displays correctly, then something is amiss with the final product. As stated earlier, something in the original might be confusing Vegas, or Vegas isn't being set up properly.

If you copy a VOB to your PC, use DGIndex to extract a few seconds of the original VOB to m2v (the audio won't be needed). DGIndex viewer has "[" and "]" keys to cut a few seconds of video and demux to m2v. Up to 100 MB can be posted here, but 10 or 12 seconds of video with motion should be good enough. That edited m2v sample will a lot smaller than 100 MB.

Again, 704x480 is a valid frame size for SD DVD. https://www.videohelp.com/dvd#tech

[hech54]

Professional software?

Explain how this is considered acceptable. I think sony has so 'splanin to do.

For that kind of money(that you PAID for it) I'd get hold of Sony (with your registration and payment details) and get help from them.

[sanlyn]

Rather than blame Vegas, which does has its limitations, it would be quicker and more effective to look at some pieces of real video. To say one has "a DVD" could mean anything: retail? Home made? Totally snafu'd? We don't know. Nor do we know what the O.P.'s output looks like. Rather than with SONY, the problem might be the old PIBKAC syndrome ("Problem Is Between Keyboard And Chair"). With nothing to look at, no one can say.