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[LSchafroth]

The footage from MC looks so much better than PC3 that I will skip the deinterlace methods and try it again. Neatvideo doesnt seem to ever find a good profile above 60% when interlaced. I can find above 95% when deinterlaced.

Lannie

[themaster1]

if you have a progressive video i'm assuming 23.976 fps here you should encode with a soft 3/2 pulldown which will give you 29.97 fps and is dvd compatible

I use these settings in such case:

ntsc / 23.9p->54.94i PD / 720x480 / 4/3 / 2pass / P/Q= 24 / variable= 8000/9500
picture struct: progressive frame
field order: none
Telecine/pulldown: 3/2
profile: main , level: main
i-frame:3 / max: 14 / p-frame:3 closed gop:0 / leading b's: not at start / auto gop: scd refined
chroma: 4.2.0 / dc precision: 10bit / quant. scale: non linear / vlc format: B.15 /scanning order: zigzag /
motion estimation: sub pix: half , search: 10 , search range: 39 / noise sens.:5
quant matrices: i enable all of them, keep the default values
miscellaneous: incoming field order: top field or bottom field like you want


the settings you can change are:
search / search range: higher value = better and slower so careful to not abuse
noise sens. : raise it if you have really noisy source,higher=better=slower
P/Q: higher=better= slower
for further help read the manual it's well explained

[LSchafroth]

I had 29.970fps interlaced and did a deinterlaced yadif. Virtualdub shows it as a 29.970fps file.

Lannie

[themaster1]

If it's a movie you should do a ivtc because the true frame rate of a movie is 23.976 progressive and use a better deinterlacer like qtgmc instead of yadif with avisynth if you can (learn more on doom9 forum)

[LSchafroth]

Here is some video info:

[LSchafroth]

2nd sample

[themaster1]

is it camcorder footage (recorded with a camcorder) if it is you should keep it 29.9 fps interlaced (and use neat video in interlaced mode)

[manono]

Pictures are useless (particularly after it's already been deinterlaced). Is it a movie? If so deinterlacing is the wrong thing to do. If you don't know, an untouched short video sample can help. 2-3 seconds of steady movement will be plenty.

[LSchafroth]

It is camcorder footage which was VHS. I transfered via a ADVC-100 and firewire. I then deinterlaced it with yadif in Virtualdub. I can download the avisynth one and try that instead.

[poisondeathray]

WTF is the 2nd picture of ? some alien-predator-elephant hybrid ?

[themaster1]

I see then you do it wrong because camcorder footage is truly interlaced so when you deinterlace you lose vital information basically not to mention yadif ain't exactly a top notch deinterlacer in my eyes, you lose information and you introduce artefacts so it's a double no-no (and the double no-no of the week is..) * joke

[LSchafroth]

WTF is the 2nd picture of ? some alien-predator-elephant hybrid ?

Lol. Its a vacation video from the black hills. Mt Rushmore. I assume it is a mammoth.

[LSchafroth]

I see then you do it wrong because camcorder footage is truly interlaced so when you deinterlace you lose vital information basically not to mention yadif ain't exactly a top notch deinterlacer in my eyes, you lose information and you introduce artefacts so it's a double no-no (and the double no-no of the week is..) * joke

I've always had to deinterlace. The final video on a flat screen tv looks terrible. The progressive looks much better. I wonder if the problem has always been the procoder output of interlaced footage.
Lannie

[themaster1]

well i suppose people like to experiment and learn from their mistakes, i know i did, in any case you've been warned.

[LSchafroth]

well i suppose people like to experiment and learn from their mistakes, i know i did, in any case you've been warned.

People say that all the time about interlaced footage. I have NEVER produced a quality interlaced video. It is always jumpy or jittery. And no that is not a field order issue as I tried it both ways. Once I deinterlace the footage it looks great. The interlaced even looked bad on the older CRT based televisions. BUT, I have always used Pro Coder so I wonder if it was something in the encoiding of interlace from it that wasnt working.

I'm going to take the original and try it with MC and see if it looks good. I will try and keep the same VBR settings I used except tailored for interlaced footage and see how it looks.

Lannie

[LSchafroth]

Its going to be a while while Virtualdub cleans the footage. Doing some NeatVideo processing on it and saving as true interlaced. Remind me again on the proper field order for DV footage? Bottom?
I have 8 cores and 16Gb ram and it still says 4 hours to process. I really need RAID with SSD drives. hehe

Time to go read on DV field order while I wait......

EDIT: Bottom Field first. Will try the settings you gave me for MC when I encode it. Can you tell by the still frames if it is considered bad footage? There are no lines, no specs or spots in the footage. I do see some chroma noise but will work on that once I get my process down.

[themaster1]

dv is bottom so minidv i presume is bottom aswell and in virtualdub i'm not sure...after all these years i use it!) but i guess it's bff by default (someone confirm this pls)

[LSchafroth]

The verdict is in. Original interlaced footage looks terrible even with MC encoding. Deinterlaced via yadif and converted with MC as progressive looks fantastic.

Lannie