Not another video format

[NICEBUD]

http://www.ericsson.com/news/120814_mpeg_244159018_c

[FulciLives]

The article says, "This format will enable compression levels roughly twice as high as the current H.264/AVC standard."

Great. It takes my 2 1/2 year old Quad Core long enough as it is to encode H.264 and I bet this new MPEG codec will take twice as long than that to encode *sigh*

[Hoser Rob]

It's High Efficiency Video Coding, ie. h.265 or 4K, which has been discussed here a number of times.

I'm a little doubtful whether it'll take off like bluray did. Most people can't see all the detail on their HD TV's now because at the average viewing distance you'd need at least a 70" screen to be able to do so. Of course there's always the placebo effect ...

I'm not too worried about hardware being able to encode it. If the tools come out as fast as h.264 encoders have ... and after 10 years of that I don't think it's that well supported yet ... my computers will have long since have been recycled by then.

[Des]

The article says, "This format will enable compression levels roughly twice as high as the current H.264/AVC standard."

Great. It takes my 2 1/2 year old Quad Core long enough as it is to encode H.264 and I bet this new MPEG codec will take twice as long than that to encode *sigh*

Fulci, I don't know if you use this or not but CoreAVC is a life and time saver on H.264 encodes. Bet $13 I ever spent!

--dES

[Tom Saurus]

I am quite happy this new codec is coming out. If our computer systems can handle it, if they are correct it will mean smaller file sizes for the same quality of video. If I had my druthers I would like there to be a way to contact the developers and ask them to build in the ability for metadata so that the .h265 file can be tagged like a .mp3 file with artist, and other info.

[oldfart13]

Hmmm...seems to be a European solution. Will be interesting to see what the USA, Japan and others say about this development and if they come up with their own systems. Not so much for an actual video standard. More like a means to compress data for transmission. Also, their announcement of non glasses 3D is nothing new. They were calling for this years ago and have demoed some early equipment at various electronics shows. Still several years away though...

[Cornucopia]

It's MPEG, so it is international/global.

It is VERY good, but will probably be > 5 years before it is commonplace, because of market inertia and the HIGH cpu requirements.

Scott

[TreeTops]

Do we know the CPU requirements yet?

[lordsmurf]

Do we know the CPU requirements yet?

About 10x what you have now.
I've read about this in some trade pubs. It's a ways away.

[FulciLives]

Just as I feared ... this would take forever to encode with even the now current top-of-the-line CPU so I hope it does take time to be deployed because I'm in no rush for it.

[Tom Saurus]

I wrote an email to a group that is working on this codec. I made the suggestion that it would be great to allow people to incorporate meta data into the files. That way you would have information such as who is in the video, date, synopsis and the list goes on; like they have with .mp3 files. I don't know if they will actual read the suggestion and consider it, but maybe there is a chance. I know you can do this with .h264 but you have to use a program to turn it into a .mp4 with re-encoding and then you can add some metadata; but it would be good if that option was available in the original file without the change to a .mp4. It would be nice to have to have operating systems and programs that display that meta data and allow you to use it to categorize the files.

[Cornucopia]

They won't do that. They will likely say this: "that is the purpose of flexible 'user data' packets, or the purview of metadata in either an .MP4 or in MPEG7".

You don't need to re-encode h.264 to get it into an .MP4, just mux it.

Most people use external databases connected with their players to do tagging & categorizing...

Scott

[jagabo]

It's not the codec's job to add metadata. It should be at the container level.

[Cornucopia]

Exactly. MP3 is actually an anomaly, because it is often provided in it's raw/elementary state instead of in a MM container.

(also, T.S., please don't hijack the thread)

Scott

[Tom Saurus]

Cornucopia: I apologize for hijacking the thread. I have learned from the answers that were given, so I don't regret that. I thought the online media providers will really like the .h265 if it can reduce file sizes and give the same quality as .h264. I understand though we have to wait for a leap or two forward in computing power to take advantage of this improved encoding method.

[lordsmurf]

The conversation is interesting, yet related, so I don't consider it a threadjack.
It was worth discussing.

Agreed on it being the job of the container.