Need Help Analyzing Why .avi will not play on PS3

[kingaddi]

I copied 2 .avi files to my PS3 for playback. AVI file [A] works. But AVI file [B] does not work. But otherwise both [A] and [B] work on my Win7 machine.

I would like to analyze the reason why [B] does not playback on the PS3. What tools should I use to perform the analysis? What information should I be analyzing?

[poisondeathray]

mediainfo (view=>text)

gspot

[FulciLives]

Best thing to do is to copy the MediaInfo TEXT view output and paste it here. That way we know what video and audio codecs are being used and can tell you why it isn't working.

[kingaddi]

General
Complete name : E:\Movies\(A).avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 1.36 GiB
Duration : 1h 26mn
Overall bit rate : 2 265 Kbps
Writing library : AVI OpenDML FlasKMPEG plugin release

Video
ID : 0
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format settings, BVOP : 1
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263)
Muxing mode : Packed bitstream
Codec ID : DX50
Codec ID/Hint : DivX 5
Duration : 1h 26mn
Bit rate : 2 100 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 352 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.000
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.353
Stream size : 1.26 GiB (93%)
Writing library : DivX 5.0.2 (UTC 2002-05-16)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Mode : Joint stereo
Mode extension : MS Stereo
Codec ID : 55
Codec ID/Hint : MP3
Duration : 1h 26mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 160 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 98.4 MiB (7%)
Alignment : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration : 209 ms (5.00 video frames)

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General
Complete name : E:\Movies\(B).avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 1.36 GiB
Duration : 1h 39mn
Overall bit rate : 1 949 Kbps
Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.1 (build 2439/release)
Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2439/release

Video
ID : 0
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format settings, BVOP : 1
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : 2 warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263)
Muxing mode : Packed bitstream
Codec ID : DX50
Codec ID/Hint : DivX 5
Duration : 1h 39mn
Bit rate : 1 492 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 352 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.276
Stream size : 1.04 GiB (77%)
Writing library : DivX 5.0.2 (UTC 2002-05-16)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 2000
Duration : 1h 39mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 320 MiB (23%)
Alignment : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration : 42 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 500 ms

[FulciLives]

I'm not sure but the 2nd one or the one labeled (B).avi says the following:

GMC : 2 warppoints

My guess that is why the PS3 will not play it and if I'm correct then you'll probably have to re-encode it or look for another version (see if you can find a MKV or MP4 version).

[kingaddi]

I think you might be right. I did a search on 'GMC and PS3' and found a post in a different forum that also suspects that it might be the GMC. In the different forum post the GMC is set to 3 warppoints.

Would it be against the forums rules to provide a posting link to a different forum in order to inject some more input into the topic?

I'm not sure but the 2nd one or the one labeled (B).avi says the following:

GMC : 2 warppoints

My guess that is why the PS3 will not play it and if I'm correct then you'll probably have to re-encode it or look for another version (see if you can find a MKV or MP4 version).

[poisondeathray]

I'm 100% sure PS3 cannot handle GMC (or QPEL)

Most standalone DivX/DVD players cannot handle it either

[kingaddi]

To add to what you said after further researching:

ps3 will not play xvid with
1) gmc
2) qpel
3) custom matrix
4) max size 2gb

also.. "audio split accross interleaves" seems to be accepted only sometimes ...

I'm 100% sure PS3 cannot handle GMC (or QPEL)

Most standalone DivX/DVD players cannot handle it either

[kingaddi]

From what I have been reading, a re-mux is the simply succussful solution.

I'm not sure but the 2nd one or the one labeled (B).avi says the following:

GMC : 2 warppoints

My guess that is why the PS3 will not play it and if I'm correct then you'll probably have to re-encode it or look for another version (see if you can find a MKV or MP4 version).

[poisondeathray]

From what I have been reading, a re-mux is the simply succussful solution.

No, it has to be re-encoded

Rewrapping (remux) it won't help

[kingaddi]

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/281819-Divx-Xvid-Converting-for-PS3

To add to what you said after further researching:

ps3 will not play xvid with
1) gmc
2) qpel
3) custom matrix
4) max size 2gb

also.. "audio split accross interleaves" seems to be accepted only sometimes ...

I'm 100% sure PS3 cannot handle GMC (or QPEL)

Most standalone DivX/DVD players cannot handle it either

[kingaddi]

XviD Settings for PS3 & XBOX360 Compatibility

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/311454-XviD-Settings-for-PS3-XBOX360-Compatibility

[kingaddi]

Thank you everyone for your fast responses. The problem is solved.

[kingaddi]

From what I have been reading, a re-mux is the simply succussful solution.

No, it has to be re-encoded

Rewrapping (remux) it won't help

You are 100% correct.

[FulciLives]

If you need to re-encode then I suggest using x264 as that will help to reduce the loss when re-encoding. I would use HandBrake since it is easy-to-use. You can either pick MP4 output (converts the audio to AAC audio) or you can pick MKV output (which can use AC-3 or DTS but make sure you convert DTS to AC-3 in HandBrake) then use tsMuxeR to make the MKV into a M2TS file.

The PS3 has native support for both MP4 and M2TS files.
MP4 is x264 video with AAC audio.
M2TS is x264 video with AC-3 audio.
A MKV with AC-3 audio can be remuxed (without re-encoding nor transcoding) to a M2TS file.

[marioval]

Running the avi through avirecomp would probably fix it too.

[jman98]

Running the avi through avirecomp would probably fix it too.

Incorrect. As was clearly stated multiple times by multiple users the ONLY way to get rid of GMC is to re-encode. Period.

NO standalone player has ever been identified that is capable of playing an AVI with a GMC value greater than 1 warppoint. When you have 2 and 3 warppoints then only a PC can play those. In early to mid 2000s even 1 warppoint would cause almost all players to barf, but in recent years various players have been found that can handle 1 warppoint. For compatibility reasons it's best when encoding to just avoid GMC and Qpel altogether unless you are playing on a PC and care nothing about media player compatibility or have established via your own testing that the player you are using can handle GMC and Qpel.

[marioval]

avirecomp does Re-encode, with virtualdub and does a damn good job too. Thats why I suggested it. Here is the description from VideoHelp:

"AVI ReComp can be very useful for users who want to clear their AVIs out of GMC or Qpel functions to prepare the clips for standalone DVD players"

[FulciLives]

It's for playback on a PS3 so as I said the quality of the re-encode will be better if done using x264

[marioval]

I hear ya but I was just throwing it out there.