DVD-RB HCEncoder or CCE or DVDFab?

[Th3KiNG]

Which one will give better quality in DVD Rebuilder?

i can't tell diff

Source DVD9


DVD5 using DVDFab


DVD5 using DVDRB/CCE | Encode 3pass


DVD5 using DVDRB/HCE | Encode 2pass

[jman98]

You can use DVDFab to encode in DVD-RB? I had no idea. However, I don't think anybody around here regards DVDFab's encoder as more than something to be used by inexperienced people who need an easy solution.

CCE is well known for high quality, but the problem is that it's EXPENSIVE. I started using HCenc some years ago specifically because I needed to encode some stuff to high def resolutions in MPEG-2 and my version of CCE didn't produce high def resolution output. I've been pretty pleased with HCenc and it's all I use now. I think most of us regard HCenc as an excellent encoder so you can't really go wrong with either of those 2 choices.

[fritzi93]

I got the basic (much cheaper) version of CCE a good many years ago. Do they still offer a cheap, basic version? I don't backup DVDs any more, but towards the end I used HCEnc by preference. It is comparable in quality to CCE for use in DVDRB. It may have the edge at lower bitrates too. Many experienced members here have said so. It is slower than CCE though.

I don't have anything against DVDFab, in fact they should be applauded for offering the *only* free BD decrypter available (DVDFabHDDecrypter), even if it's somewhat limited. But to use Fab for encoding is to choose second-rate. It's improved over time, but still second-rate. HCEnc is first-rate.

[Th3KiNG]

You can use DVDFab to encode in DVD-RB? I had no idea. However, I don't think anybody around here regards DVDFab's encoder as more than something to be used by inexperienced people who need an easy solution.

CCE is well known for high quality, but the problem is that it's EXPENSIVE. I started using HCenc some years ago specifically because I needed to encode some stuff to high def resolutions in MPEG-2 and my version of CCE didn't produce high def resolution output. I've been pretty pleased with HCenc and it's all I use now. I think most of us regard HCenc as an excellent encoder so you can't really go wrong with either of those 2 choices.

DVDFab do transcodeing... i was looking trying to see the diff between encoding vs transcodeing... and CCE vs HCE

I got the basic (much cheaper) version of CCE a good many years ago. Do they still offer a cheap, basic version? I don't backup DVDs any more, but towards the end I used HCEnc by preference. It is comparable in quality to CCE for use in DVDRB. It may have the edge at lower bitrates too. Many experienced members here have said so. It is slower than CCE though.

I don't have anything against DVDFab, in fact they should be applauded for offering the *only* free BD decrypter available (DVDFabHDDecrypter), even if it's somewhat limited. But to use Fab for encoding is to choose second-rate. It's improved over time, but still second-rate. HCEnc is first-rate.

DVDFab Transcoding DVD9 to DVD5 took like 20mins
DVDRB/CCE 3Pass Encode took like 240mins
DVDRB/HCE 2pass Encode took like 60mins

[Kerry56]

Did they ever solve the issues with mosquito noise in CCE? The Basic version was the only one I tried.

The pictures look like a static part of the movie. Try a fast action scene to see more flaws in the transcoded version. And do some enlargements of dark backgrounds to look for blockiness in the encoding.

I used to use ProCoder in DVDRebuilder, but switched to HCenc. I've been very pleased with the results over the years, but rarely compress dvds anymore. Encoding times vary due to speed of your cpu, but with a 6 core machine, my encoding times are a good deal shorter.

I don't use Fab for anything. I only recommend their free stuff, though there are more free blu ray decrypters than Fab HD Decrypter. Blu-ray Copy and Make MKV are two more that I know of.

Edit: I got curious and tried a 6.62gb to 4.3gb two pass encode with HC in DVDRebuilder Pro. Took 19 minutes in my machine, but I imagine the new Ivy Bridge machines would make mincemeat of that time.

[fritzi93]

Ah, the infamous "mosquito noise" in CCE. I dunno, maybe someone more knowledgeable will respond. We used to have some very interesting and long (!) MPEG2 encoder arguments. I switched to HCEnc partly because of it, although it was very hard for me to see. And I did a low bitrate test that convinced me that HCEnc did a better job. Not talking about huge differences though.

I forgot MakeMKV momentarily; BluRayCopy is fairly new, yes? There have been a few free ones come and go that never amounted to much.

As to encoding vs transcoding, I confess I don't know if Fab can transcode. Big deal, transcoding is going to be inferior too except in a vanishingly small number of cases. Like when you only need to compress a small amount and the video has ample DCT data to spare.

Besides which, it wouldn't surprise me if Fab got its terminology wrong AGAIN. After all, they use the term "ripping" when they mean conversion/encoding/rewrapping/, whatever. So I'm not convinced they really mean transcoding rather than encoding.

[EDIT] The posted encoding times for CCE and HCEnc look backwards to me. Surprising if true.

[jman98]

fritzi93 - recent versions of HCenc can take advantage of multiple core architecture so I would expect HCenc to be faster. I haven't used a recent version of CCE to comment, but the older ones that are commonly "available" (wink wink) can't do that.

[fritzi93]

Thanks, that makes sense. It's been awhile, and my comments on HCEnc were in regard to early versions.

[Kerry56]

By the way, the versions of HCenc that are included in DVD Rebuilder and DVDRebuilder Pro are older ones. You can replace the older versions with the most modern ones and it will work just fine. I have 0.25 in mine, but there is a beta version 0.26 available.

I removed the earlier version, put the new HC executable file in the Encoders->HC Encoder folder and renamed the executable to HCbatch.exe.

[Th3KiNG]

By the way, the versions of HCenc that are included in DVD Rebuilder and DVDRebuilder Pro are older ones. You can replace the older versions with the most modern ones and it will work just fine. I have 0.25 in mine, but there is a beta version 0.26 available.

I removed the earlier version, put the new HC executable file in the Encoders->HC Encoder folder and renamed the executable to HCbatch.exe.

ya i am using 0.25... never tried beta 0.26

[Th3KiNG]

anyways which one sud i go with? any recommend

[fritzi93]

Three members responded to your question. All three recommend HCEnc.

To summarize:

DVDFab tries to do too many things, rather like Nero. Its encoding is not the best you can do.

CCE is very expensive, unless you seek out a pirated version.

HCEnc is free, it's first-class, jdobbs packages it with DVDRB. And evidently it's pretty fast now too.

[Th3KiNG]

Three members responded to your question. All three recommend HCEnc.

To summarize:

DVDFab tries to do too many things, rather like Nero. Its encoding is not the best you can do.

CCE is very expensive, unless you seek out a pirated version.

HCEnc is free, it's first-class, jdobbs packages it with DVDRB. And evidently it's pretty fast now too.

ok will use HCEnc for now...

thx all for replys

[Th3KiNG]

update... tested CCE SP2

DVD9


DVD5 using DVDRB/CCE SP1 2.50.01.00 | Encode 3pass


DVD5 using DVDRB/CCE SP2 1.0.1.9 | Encode 3pass < 2x faster ... and a lot better quality....same as DVD9