vegas pro11 multicam editing woes

[aedipuss]

anyone do much multicam with vegas? i can't get it to do what i would like. i'm mixing an hour long recital with HDV 30p cam vid with canon dslr 30p vid. started with 1080p30 project, imported all clips, synced all the parts, and did some color correction to match the 2 different cams. when all looked and sounded good moved on to enable multicam editing and the multicam single track. that's when i lost all the color corrections??? tried several times and can't get them to stick and be active during and after the scene editing.

anyone have a clue why vegas eliminates the filters?

i'd go back and use my favorite multicam editor - editstudio pro - but it only works with DV.

[Mad Genius]

Hey, I saw your post, and I must ask, can you explain your multi-cam process?? I do quite a bit of Multi-cam editing on Sony Vegas Pro 9, and haven't had any issues with color correction or added effects myself.

It sounds to me like you're applying colour correction through the Track FX button, on the track your colour corrected video is in. Unfortunately, if you move the video stream from the track that has the desired effects, such as colour correction onto the track that doesn't have any activated filters, your effects' settings won't mean a thing if your stream is moved onto another track in Sony Vegas. This primarily has to do with the fact that the effects are [non-destructively] added to the track, and not so much the video itself.

However!! There is a solution for your dillemma, with Sony Vegas. Assuming your effects were applied into the track your video stream you were using, what you should do is use Event FX, which is right below Event/Pan Crop on the video stream that you added into your timeline. Use this method to add the desired colour correction to your video, as the effects will be applied to your video stream, and not so much the track it was in, originally. Fair warning though, I'd suggest adding the effects this way before you start cutting your video stream, so Vegas can remember the effects added to your stream, as you edit, without the repetitive, tediousness of having to re-apply your settings to each cut you'd like your colour correction settings in.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Mad Genius

[budwzr]

Do your color work on an event, with "Event FX", then rightclick and copy. Then multiple-select (CTRL) the events you want to apply to, and rightclick "Paste Attributes". This is the fastest way I can think of to get straightened out.

Just UnDo back to where you were, and be aware that the pan/crop tool will copy/paste too, so that could be a dealbreaker for this method.

[aedipuss]

thanks guys. i ended up rendering out all the tracks to yuv with the color corrections applied, then replacing the originals with the fixed ones. good thing i have plenty of hard drives....

mad genius is correct, the filters were all applied using he event/pan crop button and when the tracks were all moved into the single multicam track all the filters were erased. next time i will use the event fx and not the event/pan crop as suggested, i have never even tried it that way and i've bee using vegas since v6 , but had always done my multicam editing with editstudio before.

thanks again!

[Mad Genius]

Glad to see our suggestions helped. I normally don't mix things down to one track - the multi-cam feature's nice and all, but I do things manually. With interviews, it's cutting between question-and-answer for me.

[aedipuss]

mine's more music video type multicam mixing, for an hour show cutting up all the different cam's videos and then trying to piece them back together on a timeline wouldn't work. i need to see all the videos playing and cut to different shots on the fly.

[Mad Genius]

I was playing with "Create a Multi-cam track" and enable editing for multi-cam. It's different from what I normally do.

Whenever I multi-cam, I sync up my audio tracks, along with their respective video streams, and once I have everything synched up, I keep my best audio source, and keep the other video tracks, layered. I then "solo" my primary track, by muting the secondary and toggle from my primary to secondary, until I have my desired cuts. Once it's all complete, I drag the cuts into a single track. Yes, it takes longer, but it hasn't failed me.

[aedipuss]

sad to report that using the event fx button instead of the pan/crop button makes no difference. all filters applied to a video track are still lost when the multicam track is created. the only way to keep the changes required seems to be to render it out to a lossless avi and put that on the timeline instead of the original video.

[budwzr]

In the help it says that FX are "bypassed" in multicam mode to preserve playback framerate. I assume when you render, they will be applied.

Also, I noticed you can exit multicam mode and keep the cuts where they are, but going back to multi track. When you do this do the FX come on again?

It seems as though single track multicam mode exists specifically so that the preview window can be divided up and letting you see all the vertical tracks at once, without the extra burden of applying FX.

Seems to make sense.

[aedipuss]

nope. when rendered out you get the no filters version. fx is bypassed permanently. thanks to big multi TB hard drives it doesn't make too much difference, just the painful wait while the lossless avi is rendered.

[budwzr]

Did you try switching back to regular multitrack before render?

It says in the help when you turn off multicam, the edits remain, or you can choose to keep unused edits but they will be muted. And that you can still tweak it with regular tools.

It's hard to believe that Vegas would put users in a corner like that, where you have to do a lossless render. And there's no mention that FX will be lost forever. Although there is mention of the bypass.

I'm going to fool with it.

[aedipuss]

Did you try switching back to regular multitrack before render?

It says in the help when you turn off multicam, the edits remain, or you can choose to keep unused edits but they will be muted. And that you can still tweak it with regular tools.

It's hard to believe that Vegas would put users in a corner like that, where you have to do a lossless render. And there's no mention that FX will be lost forever. Although there is mention of the bypass.

I'm going to fool with it.

i tried it both ways, with multicam editing on and off. both renders were without the filters applied before multicam track was created. i agree it doesn't make sense to trash applied filters forever. hope you can find a work around.

[poisondeathray]

I'm not sure about Vegas11, but in earlier versions you had to add the effect in the project media tab, not as an event fx on the timeline

[aedipuss]

I'm not sure about Vegas11, but in earlier versions you had to add the effect in the project media tab, not as an event fx on the timeline

ding ding ding! we have a winner! it is the mediaFX that don't show up on the timeline that "stick" after multicam editing.

thanks!

[budwzr]

Hmmph!

[aedipuss]

Hmmph!

i'll give you second prize if you came up with a different way

[budwzr]

I knew there are three domains for FX, but I never used multicam mode, just trying to help. I didn't know PDR was going to jump in like that, from nowhere, and beat me to the answer.

But actually, it's not mandatory to add a Media FX via the project window. You can right click the event and choose it from the dialog box too.

So I think we should split first prize.

[poisondeathray]

you can have the booby prize

(o)(o)

[aedipuss]

sorry all i had left was an old one for you.

(.)(.)

[budwzr]

Thanks, but my wife has these (*)(*)